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i wonder what happened in chickens life recently to make him go absolutely insane in here. it seems like hes lashing out more than normal. i hope everything is ok.
I've always hated boomers if you've been paying attention. I just saw on super Tuesday that dem boomers were just as bad. It doesn't matter what political party they are in, these old voters will never actually care about improving the lives of these who are struggling in America. They make a big show about all the bad stuff Trump does but they don't want to actually commit to fix anything.
 
See, this is another example of the problem with the Bernie supporters. I like Bernie personally, but many of his supporters are nuts. Instead of acknowledging the obvious problem Bernie has had with gaining African American support (both in 2016 and 2020) essentially you are just saying they were all duped into voting for Biden. Do you not understand how arrogant and insulting that comes off to people, to essentially tell them they only supported a guy because they duped? Maybe work on the outreach a little more instead of making everyone else in the party your enemy.
Bernie was never my top choice.
 
I've always hated boomers if you've been paying attention. I just saw on super Tuesday that dem boomers were just as bad. It doesn't matter what political party they are in, these old voters will never actually care about improving the lives of these who are struggling in America. They make a big show about all the bad stuff Trump does but they don't want to actually commit to fix anything.
whatever is going on in your personal life, take a step back and breathe. give it a little time. i think youll find that it shall pass and life will go back to normal. i hope everything is ok.
 
You disagree with me but your actions tell a different story.

Ask yourself these yes or no questions.
Do you think Americans and their families who get sick should not have to go bankrupt if they want to stay alive?

Do you think climate change is one of our biggest threats and needs to be treated as seriously as something like the war in the middle east?

Do you think that student loan debt is oppressive for young people trying to start families, buy houses, build lives. Do you think college expense has gotten out of control but still think education is important.

If you answered yes to any of those questions then why would you support Biden over Bernie. Because at the end of the day you don't want to take the steps to solve these issues because the steps involved require commitment to pay up so our future generations can not have these problems.

If boomers actually gave a shit about fixing stuff they would vote for the dem who's trying to fix stuff not the one who just won't break stuff as quickly.

I didn't support Biden over Bernie, but instead of blaming voters why not look inward a bit and look at Bernie's campaign. Ask why he hasn't done well with African Americans. Ask why younger people aren't coming out for him like he expected, etc etc. Everything isn't a conspiracy, sometimes a candidate just didn't run a well enough campaign. I voted for Warren and don't understand how she didn't win the nomination easily, but she didn't, and I don't blame voters for that. Obviously she didn't get her message out well and people preferred other candidates.
 
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whatever is going on in your personal life, take a step back and breathe. give it a little time. i think youll find that it shall pass and life will go back to normal. i hope everything is ok.
Haha stop that fake concern bit, everything is fine for me. I have shared many times that I believe we have structural issues as a country and for 3 years democrats all agreed but when it came time to fix the problems they created, the boomer dems dipped out as expected and went with reestablishing the status quo that just straight up didn't work for millennials and won't work for Gen Z.

I am actually disappointed in the democrat old people that are going to allow this same thing to continue with regards to income inequality, healthcare, student loan debt etc.
 
Haha stop that fake concern bit, everything is fine for me. I have shared many times that I believe we have structural issues as a country and for 3 years democrats all agreed but when it came time to fix the problems they created, the boomer dems dipped out as expected and went with reestablishing the status quo that just straight up didn't work for millennials and won't work for Gen Z.

I am actually disappointed in the democrat old people that are going to allow this same thing to continue with regards to income inequality, healthcare, student loan debt etc.

I think some of the problem with Sanders is that people don't trust him. And I don't mean they think he is corrupt or a liar, but I don't think they trust he will be able to get much of his platform actually passed and they question how good of a politician he is. There is an argument to be made that some progress is better than no progress, and I do think a large portion of Democrats simply aren't convinced Sanders would be an effective president.
 
I didn't support Biden over Bernie, but instead of blaming voters why not look inward a bit and look at Bernie's campaign. Ask why he hasn't done well with African Americans. Ask why younger people aren't coming out for him like he expected, etc etc. Everything isn't a conspiracy, sometimes a candidate just didn't run a well enough campaign. I voted for Warren and don't understand how she didn't win the nomination easily, but she didn't, and I don't blame voters for that. Obviously she didn't get her message out well and people preferred other candidates.
Yeah obviously Bernie is flawed and should have never been the face of the liberal movement in my eyes, he's got too much of a stigma but I am going to support any candidate that cares about the issues that I view as important. We don't have forever to get a president who will take climate changes seriously. We can't put another generation of kids in crippling student loan debt. We can't allow companies like Amazon, Apple, Google and Microsoft to continue to run as monopolies.

If you think we just need to go back to the policies of the past then you don't realize just how long these problems have been building. Trump caused zero of those issues. They were caused by the policies of the presidents before him. They won't be fixed by going back to the system that caused them.
 
Yeah obviously Bernie is flawed and should have never been the face of the liberal movement in my eyes, he's got too much of a stigma but I am going to support any candidate that cares about the issues that I view as important. We don't have forever to get a president who will take climate changes seriously. We can't put another generation of kids in crippling student loan debt. We can't allow companies like Amazon, Apple, Google and Microsoft to continue to run as monopolies.

If you think we just need to go back to the policies of the past then you don't realize just how long these problems have been building. Trump caused zero of those issues. They were caused by the policies of the presidents before him. They won't be fixed by going back to the system that caused them.

I never said anything about going back to policies of the past, but I would certainly take Biden over Trump any day of the week if that is where we end up. I am just saying, people are complicated and there are a variety of reasons they vote the way they do.
 
Basically it's boomers being boomers because if there's one thing boomers love more than their political party, it's their money. They all claim to want to fix these issues but when it comes time to write the check they become republicans and yell SOCIALISM!!
The trouble with your view is that it assumes that it's Boomer Democrats who will sink Bernie's boat when, in actuality, it's the general electorate.

And to go a step further, your view assumes that if Bernie somehow got elected that the issues you've outlined somehow will magically disappear. In reality, his policies have zero chance of getting passed as things currently stand.

Progress in Government, be it at the Federal, State, or local level, is all about compromise. Was Obamacare the best plan when it was passed? Of course not. But it was the one that actually got passed. The idea now is to improve upon it rather than ditch it altogether which is what the GOP wants to do.

We DO need to address all the issues you (and I) care about. But if this was a poker game, I'd rather make a safe bet with a strong possibility of winning rather than make a risky "all-in" bet and lose everything.
 
I never said anything about going back to policies of the past, but I would certainly take Biden over Trump any day of the week if that is where we end up. I am just saying, people are complicated and there are a variety of reasons they vote the way they do.
Biden was literally the VP of a past administration. How is voting for him not going back to the policies of the past?

You're not choosing between Biden and Trump in the primary. You're choosing who you think will be the best president between Bernie and Biden. Of course I would take Biden over Trump. But I'm going to continue to support the candidate who wants to make a change.
 
Biden was literally the VP of a past administration. How is voting for him not going back to the policies of the past?

You're not choosing between Biden and Trump in the primary. You're choosing who you think will be the best president between Bernie and Biden. Of course I would take Biden over Trump. But I'm going to continue to support the candidate who wants to make a change.

Being a past VP doesnt mean policies cant change. Biden is already pushing for a public option for example, which isn't something we have had in the past.
 
Haha stop that fake concern bit, everything is fine for me. I have shared many times that I believe we have structural issues as a country and for 3 years democrats all agreed but when it came time to fix the problems they created, the boomer dems dipped out as expected and went with reestablishing the status quo that just straight up didn't work for millennials and won't work for Gen Z.

I am actually disappointed in the democrat old people that are going to allow this same thing to continue with regards to income inequality, healthcare, student loan debt etc.

Please stop clutching at your pearls over the plight of the disaffected liberal American millennial when those lazy woke shits don’t even bother voting.

You promised us a wave of young Bernie voters. We laughed. You promised again. They didn’t show. Again.
 
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Please stop clutching at your pearls over the plight of the disaffected liberal American millennial when those lazy woke shits don’t even bother voting.

You promised us a wave of young Bernie voters. We laughed. You promised again. They didn’t show. Again.

Problem is you can't depend on slackers unless you physically take them and it isn't a huge inconvenience. Probably need to buy their lunch too.
 
Being a past VP doesnt mean policies cant change. Biden is already pushing for a public option for example, which isn't something we have had in the past.
He needs to explain how a public option would work before people get behind it. In a primary that has been about ideas, details are important. That's part of the reason Bernie failed.
 
He needs to explain how a public option would work before people get behind it. In a primary that has been about ideas, details are important. That's part of the reason Bernie failed.

Warren had more details than anyone and she lost. Clinton had far more details than Trump and she lost, details are way over rated in campaigns when it comes to voters. In saying that, it will be a medicare buy in so we at least know the basics.
 
They did in several states just 4 years ago.

I would say most of those were people who could vote either side, they weren't hardcore Democrats. But that was also 4 years ago, Trump has a record now so it is a little different, and I think there is a pretty good chance he loses some of those people, but we will see.
 
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Biden was literally the VP of a past administration. How is voting for him not going back to the policies of the past?
Sanders has literally been a member of Congress since 1991. How is voting for Biden "going back to the policies of the past" but not a vote for Sanders?
 
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Warren had more details than anyone and she lost. Clinton had far more details than Trump and she lost, details are way over rated in campaigns when it comes to voters. In saying that, it will be a medicare buy in so we at least know the basics.

Warren had a lot of details but it was on the pretty extreme end of things. I think people are open to the idea of a public option on healthcare but it has to be laid out on how it will work before they vote to make a change. It doesnt have to be extremely detailed or talk about how "the average american will save 'x' dollars", it just has to explain whether it will be an added competition to the existing system or if it will be a medicaid type of deal. There are enough people in the 50 and 60 year demographic that remember what state pools were like so he's got to overcome that.
 
Warren had a lot of details but it was on the pretty extreme end of things. I think people are open to the idea of a public option on healthcare but it has to be laid out on how it will work before they vote to make a change. It doesnt have to be extremely detailed or talk about how "the average american will save 'x' dollars", it just has to explain whether it will be an added competition to the existing system or if it will be a medicaid type of deal. There are enough people in the 50 and 60 year demographic that remember what state pools were like so he's got to overcome that.

It will be a medicare buy in basically, he has talked about this.
"Giving Americans a new choice, a public health insurance option like Medicare. If your insurance company isn’t doing right by you, you should have another, better choice. Whether you’re covered through your employer, buying your insurance on your own, or going without coverage altogether, the Biden Plan will give you the choice to purchase a public health insurance option like Medicare. As in Medicare, the Biden public option will reduce costs for patients by negotiating lower prices from hospitals and other health care providers. It also will better coordinate among all of a patient’s doctors to improve the efficacy and quality of their care, and cover primary care without any co-payments. And it will bring relief to small businesses struggling to afford coverage for their employees."
 
They did in several states just 4 years ago.

Against HRC. Trump M.O. is that it is "us" against "them". There is no in-between. He creates a lot of "them" with his behavior but do the people in the middle feel more connected to "us" or "them", that's the question? His behavior doesn't make you want to join his team and he definitely doesn't welcome you. You have to reject "them" in order to become one of "us".
 
Against HRC. Trump M.O. is that it is "us" against "them". There is no in-between. He creates a lot of "them" with his behavior but do the people in the middle feel more connected to "us" or "them", that's the question? His behavior doesn't make you want to join his team and he definitely doesn't welcome you. You have to reject "them" in order to become one of "us".
I dont think centrists really look at politics that way. This board and the political news networks probably arent a good representation of people in general. I might be wrong, but it does seem to me like people who don't religiously follow politics vote based on their bank accounts and nothing more.
 
Biden was literally the VP of a past administration. How is voting for him not going back to the policies of the past?

You're not choosing between Biden and Trump in the primary. You're choosing who you think will be the best president between Bernie and Biden. Of course I would take Biden over Trump. But I'm going to continue to support the candidate who wants to make a change.
People want to go back to normalcy not have a revolution.
 
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You’re right. No one with diabetes can get insulin right now. What a great observation.
There are people who can't afford it. It's not about if most can get it or some can get it. Everyone needs to be able to get insulin if they need it or they'll die. Not too wild of an idea. Not exactly a "revolution" but hey you're free to imagine rational solutions as radical socialist revolution if you want.
 
There are people who can't afford it. It's not about if most can get it or some can get it. Everyone needs to be able to get insulin if they need it or they'll die. Not too wild of an idea. Not exactly a "revolution" but hey you're free to imagine rational solutions as radical socialist revolution if you want.

Well, well. Here's the American Diabetes Association survey from 2018; it did find that too many people struggle with the cost of insulin.

But. Go to slide 17 and what do we find? The highest number of people struggling to afford insulin are on..........Medicare and Medicaid. Government single payer programs. The best category for people NOT struggling are people on private, employer based health insurance.

You're right. Let's expand Medicare to everyone, that way the entire country can struggle to afford insulin.

http://main.diabetes.org/dorg/PDFs/2018-insulin-affordability-survey.pdf
 
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Well, well. Here's the American Diabetes Association survey from 2018; it did find that too many people struggle with the cost of insulin.

But. Go to slide 17 and what do we find? The highest number of people struggling to afford insulin are on..........Medicare and Medicaid. Government single payer programs. The best category for people NOT struggling are people on private, employer based health insurance.

You're right. Let's expand Medicare to everyone, that way the entire country can struggle to afford insulin.

http://main.diabetes.org/dorg/PDFs/2018-insulin-affordability-survey.pdf
Bernies plan has no deductibles and no copays. Those struggling at any level to pay for life saving drugs would be covered. Our current system has issues and not just with private insurance.
 
Bernies plan has no deductibles and no copays. Those struggling at any level to pay for life saving drugs would be covered. Our current system has issues and not just with private insurance.

Right. He’ll just tax everyone into oblivion to impose a plan with absurdly unrealistic expectations as part of his plan. So when the system has far too little money to cover everyone, people will have even hard time getting drugs they need.

The plan he wants to expand lagged far behind privately covered people in the survey. You are again at odds with reality
 
Right. He’ll just tax everyone into oblivion to impose a plan with absurdly unrealistic expectations as part of his plan. So when the system has far too little money to cover everyone, people will have even hard time getting drugs they need.

The plan he wants to expand lagged far behind privately covered people in the survey. You are again at odds with reality
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