Oh Boy. This’ll be interesting.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...re-provisions-ruled-unconstitutional-by-judge
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...re-provisions-ruled-unconstitutional-by-judge
ACA Ruled Unconstitutional
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Of course it is. Making someone required to get insurance on themselves.
This is what started the Trump train. This brilliant idea angered so many people. Obama forcing someone to buy something to fund his welfare program , and sorry Republicans in congress who let it happen.
LOL. Yeah, the public is SO angry about the ACA, right?
Is that why GOP politicians were falling all over themselves during the last election saying, 'You can count on me to PROTECT pre-existing conditions?"
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It’s a false choice sold by the democrats that repeal and replace of the ACA would have no option for coverage of pre-existing conditions. The Republicans have repeatedly brought forth solutions that utilized free market principles to cover everyone yet the Democrats have fear-mongered people like you into whole-heartedly believing in this crap. Much like the misleading campaign point where Democrats keep scaring seniors by saying that Republicans are trying to take away Social Security. Sure, that might happen, but only to replace it with something better that isn’t a Ponzi scheme covered at great wasteful expense by the American taxpayer. And it wouldn’t even be taken away for people already receiving SS. Yet seniors vote Democrat on that single issue.
The ACA requires insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions. The expense of that requirement has been widely-touted as the reason our Republican Congress tried countless times to repeal it.
So pardon me if I don't buy what you and some of those same Republican politicians are now trying to sell us.
You handout seeking Liberals just don't get it. What angered people was being forced to buy something to finance the healthcare of others.
Buy your own healthcare or get a job with healthcare. I know under Obama , jobs were hard to find.
GOP voters are different thinkers than GOP politicians. Why do you think GOP voters picked Trump over those losers ?
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If voters in States like Florida were so angry, why was Scott on the airwaves promising voters that he'd protect insurance for people with pre-existing conditions while suing in the courts to get rid of it?
I'd be very careful about touting your Presidential choice this next year.
you just don't understand how it all works when people make lots and lots of money like billions of dollars off of people's Health which should be a basic right
So, you’re saying that people have a basic right to other people’s services? As long as those people’s services are healthcare? Do you not see this issues with this?
Our society says we have a number of basic rights that depend on other people's services. No one is denying that people in health care shouldn't make a good living. But there's a difference between a respectable price for a drug or medical services and being unreasonably hammered.
When drug companies can mark of their drug prices to obscene amounts or hospitals can charge $100 for over-the-counter drugs that cost under 10 bucks or when routine doctor's appointments can cost triple digits even after the insurance deductible, something about this system smells.
Baby boomers have ruined america. Look at this dumb pile of soil literally describing how all insurance works as if the ACA was the first to have people pay into a system that financed the healthcare of people in that system.
Most republicans will be on social security and Medicare soon anyway. Let the democrats who have lives to live out decide how we want healthcare to be set up?
Definitely not a baby boomer, but this new slacker generation are the ones stupid enough to buy imaginary coins...aka Bitcoin.
You socialist dolts have been pushing a plan that is categorically non feasible, has been destroyed by every study that has looked at the costs of implementing it, and the biggest left wing champions of government run health care are utterly incapable of explaining how to pay for it.
But sure let's leave it to you and your band of idiots on the far left.
will people that were forced to pay the fine for not getting the insurance be able to sue the irs for the fine and then some?
Create a Wal-Mart of a healh care system for the poor. You get free health care but it will be by a training doctor. Referrals for service is only for absolute necessity. They still pay a small copay. Make it long lines like the dmv.
As far as the US of A is concerned, the basic rights (well, other than the generic life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness) are laid out in the Bill of Rights. These rights are intrinsic to human beings. Please tell me upon what "other people's services" these rights depend. Feel free to also include the 3 in parenthesis if you want.
I agree with you that we need to do something to curb the price of drugs. I'm not sure what that is but I am sure it's a macro issue, not a single-payer issue. Drug companies R&D products at their own risk and expense. They foot the bill to bring that to market and expose themselves to all of the legal responsibilities. You know, all of those ads from lawyers saying to call them if you took drug A and suffered an adverse effect. The result of those lawsuits is higher drug prices.
Also, realize that there is more in the process of the hospital charges than just the price of the medication. A lot of that is the negotiation game and a lot of it is the risk mitigation game. Some of it is even spreading the cost for no-pays across everyone else.
The Founding Fathers looked at "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" as Americans living the good life. In order to do that, we built federal, state, and local governments that requires a lot of people to provide us with a lot of different services.
In addition to the ones I mentioned, there's soldiers, judges, journalists, and a zillion others. You can develop a civilized society and representative democracy without them.
If this is not what you were asking for, I'm afraid you'll have to be more descriptive than 'LOL' Edit - Oops, my bad. Wrong poster.
So, are republicans cool with "activist judges" now?
Having a “basic right” and having a social contract for government to provide services are different things entirely. Basic rights entitle you to things that the government cannot take away; at least not without due process (an enumerated right).
The framers said nothing about “living the good life.” Where the hell did you get that idea from?
It's an interpretation of what "the pursuit of happiness" meant back in the day.
I suppose you could make that interpretation. But it's much more in line that Jefferson (and Locke) meant it as a limitation upon any forthcoming government that it could not deprive you of your ability to make your own choices on how to try to achieve wealth and prosperity and then not take those away.
I realize you probably were raised by mommy and daddy was absent. Mommy should have told you, "It's your responsibility to take care of yourself" .
The difference is Einstein , When I buy healthcare , I am CHOOSING to purchase it.
The ACA FORCED people to purchase it, to subsidize the healthcare for some loser .
Do you comprehend the difference ? LOL
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When uninsured people go the the emergency room and get a bill for $100,000 who pays for It?
The pursuit of happiness is actually an edit. It was originally property, but TJ and the founders were concerned about how that would apply to slavery in the future.
The entire ACA survived because John Roberts hilariously declared that a penalty being paid on someone for not being forced by DC to buy a consumer service was a "tax". Without his wordsmithing and straw grasping, the entire law would have been killed off years ago when this decision was reached.
This "tax" is now removed from the law. The thing that kept the law deemed constitutional and viable is now gone.
This "tax" is now removed from the law. The thing that kept the law deemed constitutional and viable is now gone.
https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ent-sides-with-court-ruling-obamacare-invalid
Justice Department sides with court ruling ObamaCare invalid
The Department of Justice (DOJ) on Monday announced that it is siding with a district court ruling that found the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional.
Justice Department sides with court ruling ObamaCare invalid
The Department of Justice (DOJ) on Monday announced that it is siding with a district court ruling that found the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional.
Unless you have a background in insurance, then you’re the one who doesn’t get it. The ACA was a failure much like Charlie Crist’s approach to homeowners insurance in Florida which thankfully Governor Scott reversed with free market principles. You simply cannot legislate insurance companies out of profits by capping what they charge or by who they need to accept since these ultimately lead to adverse selection. Most insurance companies have a profit margin of 1-3%. So when you tout the millions of dollars they make, understand that they are paying out about 98% of their premium dollars towards claims and the cost of doing business. By forcing a company to suddenly cover a 300 lb smoker with stage four cancer, the insurance company will now need to subsidize this cost onto the backs of the healthy premium payers. The ACA takes this a step further by then trying to cap the premiums needed to cover these huge expenses. So the argument is always cute to say “were gonna stick it to those insurance companies” but then when the companies leave, then the consumer loses choices, all of which has happened under ACA. Healthcare is not a god given right but a privelege best afforded by capitalism. Go get you a few designations in the industry before posting such bs.
Good luck to any politician who does away with the ACA with no replacement ready.
The ACA isn't perfect but it did a lot more good than people realize.
The ACA isn't perfect but it did a lot more good than people realize.
How about a 120 lb 27 year old mother of 2 who never smoked or went to tanning beds who developed stage 4 melanoma? Should her family and children be absolutely financially obliterated to the point where in not only destroys the lives of the husband and wife but also makes their children struggle to afford to attend college or participate in extra-curricular activities? The ACA protects people like that.
You're a stupid sack of shit my friend and I hope that no one you care about ever just gets sick, because that's how it happens. It's not always some big event that you build up to. It's just a random day of the week and you get a phone call and now your loved one has a preexisting condition where they can't be insured when they need it most.
Every single dollar of savings on premiums comes from a required medical procedure that isn't being done because it can no longer be paid for.
Lol ok internet tough guy. Typical leftist emotional plea for some scenario where a mother didnt buy coverage. So the rest of us should pay for her poor choices? Why didnt she seek coverage before diagnosis? Again, adverse selection. Insurance conpanies arent charities but there were lots of safeguards prior to aca. You literally couldnt make one counterpoint to my facts which are based solely on my expertise but then you call me names you certainly wouldnt dare say to me in person.
My brother died of cancer at 35 so pleasr stop with the emotional pleas
Actually the mother had coverage through her employer and then the job was held for the required amount of time by law and then it wasn't continued.
Following that she paid full price for the insurance for as long as they were required by law to offer it and then that ran out.
Then she got on her husband's insurance due to Obamacare.
i thought you grandmother had $2m in savings. why not ask her to help you out during that time?
Prior to the ACA, she could have bought a major medical policy for under 200 bucks a month with a 10,000 dollar deductible.
This is what he does. Gives no details or context to possibly comment, throws out these stories to try and shame you for daring to have a counter opinion, then calls you a horrible person for not believing what he does since you apparently are against whoever he is talking about in his story.
This is what liberals do. Any contrary opinion on health care that they don’t like automatically becomes “you hate people and want them to die”. That’s literally the truth and why this country will never have an honest debate on health care. They won’t allow it.
Yea, i love to hit back, its what i do. He cant take it and he is responding from his moms iphone. He probably argues with everyone and cant hold a job as a result. Just loved fact checking him
