Are men targeted unfairly by universities trying to stop sexual assault...

[Dmarino110]

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2015/02/drunk_sex_on_campus_universities_are_struggling_to_determine_when_intoxicated.html

Obviously if no one should get away with rape but the case above proves that the police should handle these case and the school should act after criminal proceedings are done.

I remember when I 1st started UCF back in 2000, they told us, if she is tippsy don't do it because then you as the male, no matter how fare you are gone have just committed sexual assault. she can yes all she wants but when

messed up double standard...

 

[fabknight]

If people would wait until they got married to have sex, this wouldn't be a problem. SMH.

 

[sk8knight]

Originally posted by Dmarino110:

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2015/02/drunk_sex_on_campus_universities_are_struggling_to_determine_when_intoxicated.html

Obviously if no one should get away with rape but the case above proves that the police should handle these case and the school should act after criminal proceedings are done.

I remember when I 1st started UCF back in 2000, they told us, if she is tippsy don't do it because then you as the male, no matter how fare you are gone have just committed sexual assault. she can yes all she wants but when

messed up double standard...

There is a growing movement in colleges to expand the traditional views of what constitutes rape. Some advocates and university counsellors have gone so far as to advise women to pursue rape charges if they feel any regret at all about having sex, even if sober and consensual. The schools have stripped men of due process and having that on your academic record is nearly as bad as on your criminal record.

 

[EweSeaEff]

Originally posted by fabknight:

If people would wait until they got married to have sex, this wouldn't be a problem. SMH.

I waited until I got married to "make love". Before that it was sex, sex, sex, sex, sex.

 

[UCFWayne]

That story sounded like any party I ever went to while at UCF. There was always some drunk guy and girl grinding on each other. Likely later having sex and going their separate ways in the morning.

I hope that school gets bent over by John Does lawyer.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Oh great. Now there will be thousands of lawyers clogging up unviersity campuses to find lawsuits whenever two people hook up after having some drinks. In other words, something that happens every day by the hundreds on college campuses.

 

[Dmarino110]

Originally posted by UCFKnight85:
Oh great. Now there will be thousands of lawyers clogging up unviersity campuses to find lawsuits whenever two people hook up after having some drinks. In other words, something that happens every day by the hundreds on college campuses.

Generally in the cases I have been reading about there are no lawyers. The defendant (man) can ask to interview the plaintiff (woman) but she does not have to comply and that does nothing to help the man's case. There is no fact finding. THey don't care about text messages. They don't even care about the fact that the police say nothing illegal happened.

 

[HuffyCane]

Originally posted by UCFKnight85:
Oh great. Now there will be thousands of lawyers clogging up unviersity campuses to find lawsuits whenever two people hook up after having some drinks. In other words, something that happens every day by the hundreds on college campuses.

There are a few lawyers that will help kids on the FSU campus up here in Tallahassee that don't own a Heisman Trophy. Most folks avoid the requests for help because the procedures and the outcome are designed to hinder the effectiveness of representation. Unlike some universities, FSU does allow your lawyer to attend the hearing with you, at least they still did last I bumped into this issue. That may have changed. The national trend is going away from preventing the accused from having a lawyer present, even though the University panel typically has a legal compliance professional present, if not a lawyer. At least at FSU, the standard of proof is a preponderance of evidence. Meaning, the girl has to have enough evidence to prove the charge and that evidence must be more than the evidence offered by the accused that the accused did not commit the act. That would be fine for the purposes of expelling a student or even ruling that the victim is entitled to school paid for counseling. But it falls short when the rules of evidence don't apply and lay people are making judgements about the veracity of witnesses from written statements instead of appearing to be questioned. The opportunity to confront the victim and challenge the story is curtailed substantially. In short, it is often a kangaroo court and most lawyers don't have time or inclination for that kind of hopping. I guess the underemployed lawyers might be attracted to the work, but I consider that a public service. It keeps the untalented from taking cases they don't know how to win and hurting their clients interests in the real courtrooms.

 

[Dmarino110]

Originally posted by HuffyCane:

Originally posted by UCFKnight85:
Oh great. Now there will be thousands of lawyers clogging up unviersity campuses to find lawsuits whenever two people hook up after having some drinks. In other words, something that happens every day by the hundreds on college campuses.

There are a few lawyers that will help kids on the FSU campus up here in Tallahassee that don't own a Heisman Trophy. Most folks avoid the requests for help because the procedures and the outcome are designed to hinder the effectiveness of representation. Unlike some universities, FSU does allow your lawyer to attend the hearing with you, at least they still did last I bumped into this issue. That may have changed. The national trend is going away from preventing the accused from having a lawyer present, even though the University panel typically has a legal compliance professional present, if not a lawyer. At least at FSU, the standard of proof is a preponderance of evidence. Meaning, the girl has to have enough evidence to prove the charge and that evidence must be more than the evidence offered by the accused that the accused did not commit the act. That would be fine for the purposes of expelling a student or even ruling that the victim is entitled to school paid for counseling. But it falls short when the rules of evidence don't apply and lay people are making judgements about the veracity of witnesses from written statements instead of appearing to be questioned. The opportunity to confront the victim and challenge the story is curtailed substantially. In short, it is often a kangaroo court and most lawyers don't have time or inclination for that kind of hopping. I guess the underemployed lawyers might be attracted to the work, but I consider that a public service. It keeps the untalented from taking cases they don't know how to win and hurting their clients interests in the real courtrooms.

Speaking as a lawyer, how the fukc can the above university get away with what it is accused of if the article is accurate...

here is another question...how are these universities treating men coming forward with complaints of sexual assault on them by women?
This post was edited on 2/13 12:39 PM by Dmarino110