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Biden even left the dogs behind in Afghanistan

I'm not talking about the dogs, as much as the pull out in general. It is an total disaster caused by a lack of planning.
 
It's done. It's over. We're finally out of there like you all wanted.

Two weeks from now, nobody will give a sh!t about Lassie.
 
So the Biden administration has been telling people to leave the country since March, and offering assistance to leave. It is starting to sound like the narrative of Biden leaving Americans behind isnt accurate. It sounds like many people didnt leave when they were given the opportunities to do so for months now.
 
So the Biden administration has been telling people to leave the country since March, and offering assistance to leave. It is starting to sound like the narrative of Biden leaving Americans behind isnt accurate. It sounds like many people didnt leave when they were given the opportunities to do so for months now.
It's a bit like what we get with every hurricane warning. We always have some residents who are in the path of a hurricane who refuse the evacuation order. And then we have First Responders risking their lives to save these morons' necks.
 
So the Biden administration has been telling people to leave the country since March, and offering assistance to leave. It is starting to sound like the narrative of Biden leaving Americans behind isnt accurate. It sounds like many people didnt leave when they were given the opportunities to do so for months now.
That doesn’t mean you pull out with no plan and leave them behind. What you’re talking about is akin to people saying for weeks that a hurricane is coming and they don’t evacuate. Or people choosing to build houses on a flood plain and then it floods. You can see it coming a mile away but we don’t abandon people to the mercies of nature or terrorists just because they were stupid.
 
That doesn’t mean you pull out with no plan and leave them behind. What you’re talking about is akin to people saying for weeks that a hurricane is coming and they don’t evacuate. Or people choosing to build houses on a flood plain and then it floods. You can see it coming a mile away but we don’t abandon people to the mercies of nature or terrorists just because they were stupid.

Over 100 thousand people have been evacuated in about 2 weeks. There was obviously a plan. Did it go perfectly? Obviously not. But some of these people could have left months ago. This isnt all on Biden by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Over 100 thousand people have been evacuated in about 2 weeks. There was obviously a plan. Did it go perfectly? Obviously not. But some of these people could have left months ago. This isnt all on Biden by any stretch of the imagination.
They’ve admitted there was no plan to account for the Taliban’s actions. They scrambled and a shit ton of private entities scrambled to pull people out of there. You can’t put lipstick on this pig.
 
BTW, the dogs “left behind” are not military dogs (all evacuated), they are just some random street dogs
 
BTW, the dogs “left behind” are not military dogs (all evacuated), they are just some random street dogs
I’m sure some of them are but some of them were, in fact, working dogs contracted to the military.

“[DoD Spokesman] Pahon estimated that there are around 150 contract dogs left on the ground.

One of the contracting companies identified as having dogs on the ground is GardaWorld. Though it did not specify the number of dogs GardaWorld has in Kabul, its media relations team said that it is working with KSAR to bring them all home safely.

“Our team has worked relentlessly with numerous dedicated charities to rescue our dogs and all the animals under KSAR’s care,” the team said in a statement to Military Times. “We have no intention of giving up on our dogs, despite the gruelling setbacks, and we will continue to work with a growing and dedicated team to evacuate all our dogs.”

 
They’ve admitted there was no plan to account for the Taliban’s actions. They scrambled and a shit ton of private entities scrambled to pull people out of there. You can’t put lipstick on this pig.

The plan was for the Afghan goverment to take control, and they obviously failed. SO what is the solution? We go back in with more troops?
 
I’m sure some of them are but some of them were, in fact, working dogs contracted to the military.

“[DoD Spokesman] Pahon estimated that there are around 150 contract dogs left on the ground.

One of the contracting companies identified as having dogs on the ground is GardaWorld. Though it did not specify the number of dogs GardaWorld has in Kabul, its media relations team said that it is working with KSAR to bring them all home safely.

“Our team has worked relentlessly with numerous dedicated charities to rescue our dogs and all the animals under KSAR’s care,” the team said in a statement to Military Times. “We have no intention of giving up on our dogs, despite the gruelling setbacks, and we will continue to work with a growing and dedicated team to evacuate all our dogs.”

A previous post from Kabul Small Animal Rescue described the animals as "dogs and cats left behind as people flee" in Kabul. The group never described the animals as being service animals.

"All our working dogs left with their handlers. We would not leave them behind," Pahon said. "To suggest otherwise is ridiculous."

 
The plan was for the Afghan goverment to take control, and they obviously failed. SO what is the solution? We go back in with more troops?
No, the “plan” was to get out by Biden’s date ahead of 9/11 so he could grandstand about how great he was and damn the torpedoes about if they could actually get everyone out. All of the people there were just collateral damage under the wheels of the great elite Democrat machine. Except the shit hit the fan and they had to do whatever they could to salvage the situation. Which includes a propaganda campaign to control the PR damage.
 
No, the “plan” was to get out by Biden’s date ahead of 9/11 so he could grandstand about how great he was and damn the torpedoes about if they could actually get everyone out. All of the people there were just collateral damage under the wheels of the great elite Democrat machine. Except the shit hit the fan and they had to do whatever they could to salvage the situation. Which includes a propaganda campaign to control the PR damage.
Give me a break, his plan was no different than Trump other than it was delayed a few months. The only other solution was just to stay forever. We have been their 20 years, how much longer do you think we needed to stay?
 
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Give me a break, his plan was no different than Trump other than it was delayed a few months. The only other solution was just to stay forever. We have been their 20 years, how much longer do you think we needed to stay?
The afghans didn’t even try to fight for it. I could understand criticism if we had failed to help their “army” during a key battle or something but there wasn’t any. Provide air support to what, where?
Were they supposed to shoot at random vehicles driving down the road?

BTW, bitching about civilian casualties because we blew up a car bomb? Get the f…
Probably should have allowed the thing to get to the target and kill another 200 people
 
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The afghans didn’t even try to fight for it. I could understand criticism if we had failed to help their “army” during a key battle or something but there wasn’t any.
Exactly. Anything resembling a smooth withdrawal was doomed from the start.

But on the other hand, it perfectly symbolizes our 20 year Afghanistan fiasco.
 
Give me a break, his plan was no different than Trump other than it was delayed a few months. The only other solution was just to stay forever. We have been their 20 years, how much longer do you think we needed to stay?
I really don’t care when we got out, it’s how we got out that mattered. How hard is that to understand?
 
No, the “plan” was to get out by Biden’s date ahead of 9/11 so he could grandstand about how great he was and damn the torpedoes about if they could actually get everyone out. All of the people there were just collateral damage under the wheels of the great elite Democrat machine. Except the shit hit the fan and they had to do whatever they could to salvage the situation. Which includes a propaganda campaign to control the PR damage.
The propaganda is to paint this as a detrimental political decision for Joe Biden. The Americans “left behind” in large part are Afghan-Americans who stayed behind in anticipation of a continuation of Afghan government after the US departed. People with personal ties to others in the region. The US warned all Americans in country countless times since March that they should leave. What beyond an outright travel ban for all Americans would accomplish the “no one left behind” overnight rallying cry of the GOP? What is the withdrawal plan for all Americans acting in support roles to Afghan government military that doesn’t immediately undermine their ability to hold the country from Taliban takeover? There is none. You sigh and complain about the inability to execute a perfect withdrawal plan when no such plan exists.
 
The Americans “left behind” in large part are Afghan-Americans who stayed behind in anticipation of a continuation of Afghan government after the US departed. People with personal ties to others in the region. The US warned all Americans in country countless times since March that they should leave.
EXACTLY. The fake tears about "Americans left behind" is pure partisan bullsh!t. As you pointed out, everybody has known it since last March----Hell, we first announced we were leaving last year for crying out loud.

This reminds me of dumbass residents in the path of a deadly hurricane being ordered to evacuate and saying "FU, I'm STAYIN' IN MY HOME!"
 
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