Big 12 Expansion Candidates Football Numbers (Records, Attendance, Etc.)
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True, but we still would be in the same place (4th) record wise. Just interesting to see the other candidates they mention that are pretty terrible record wise.
That's only because it omits GOL's first year when he also lost every game.
More importantly, past record is irrelevant because a P-5 conference buys you access to a top coach, 5 star recruits, facilities, and lots of money (to pay for top coaches and recruiters and facilities). What joining the Big 12 CAN'T changed is attendance/fan base/donors, market size, and region. Thus, Houston doesn't draw, and never will. Memphis will never draw crowds for football. CSU, New Mexico, and Boise St. will always be small market schools. UConn will get grabbed up by some conference because it's the last northeast market school available, but Houston will always be in Texas, so it only makes sense for the Big Ten to grab. Similarly, if the Big 12 doesn't take UCF, the Big Ten likely will.
Well I did 10 years, nice round number. Funny you mention attendance cause here it is!
BTW, I did some checking and USF is really lying their azzes off. The numbers are super overblown.
BTW, I did some checking and USF is really lying their azzes off. The numbers are super overblown.
USF is notorious in their inflation. I know all schools do it to some degree but they are the masters
Because they use Ray Jay the actual attendance is disclosed apart from what USF puts out.
Here is a comparison for a few of those years. I guarantee that 2014 and 2015 were worse than 2013.
Year Actual Announced
2005 33,485 38,865
2006 24,750 30,222
2007 44,716 53,170
2008 37,625 49,690
2009 41,378 52,553
2010 29,956 40,849
2011 32,435 44,550
2012 30,455 44,130
2013 20,379 34,700
Willing to be their "actual average" is about 30,000. ours is probably about 30,000 as well
Because they use Ray Jay the actual attendance is disclosed apart from what USF puts out.
Here is a comparison for a few of those years. I guarantee that 2014 and 2015 were worse than 2013.
Year Actual Announced
2005 33,485 38,865
2006 24,750 30,222
2007 44,716 53,170
2008 37,625 49,690
2009 41,378 52,553
2010 29,956 40,849
2011 32,435 44,550
2012 30,455 44,130
2013 20,379 34,700
Willing to be their "actual average" is about 30,000. ours is probably about 30,000 as well
yeah it really did :-(
Only frickin GOL could do this. First year.......0-whatever, last year 0-12
So based on those numbers I'm not sure how CSU is even being mentioned. Surprised UConn draws what they do and also how low Houston draws but then again, they have every sports team known to man in that town.
You mean like that 22,000 actual attendance for UCF in 2006. Or that bogus actual attendance for your 2015 season that your athletics department is announcing. I was at the USF game...USF might have had more fans there then you, your team was so terrible most didn't make the trip...your fans didn't even want to watch that garbage. You didn't average over 30K last season. You must've hit the blunts real hard on that Stanford trip.
We all also saw how empty that stadium was down the stretch of the season.
I would love to see your actual attendance numbers since playing at the bounce house. I guarantee inflation like this country as never seen. lol. Keep dreaming bruh. Enjoy sucking!!!! UCF where they serve 0-12 in three counts!!
Apparently USF students or grads can't read. We're doing ten year averages Einstein, not one season. Go pack to the bullpen and clean up cow shyt.
Come on Muckdawg24...you should know that reading, comprehension and logic have never been a part of the USF vocabulary!
What's really pathetic is that even USF's inflated "announced" attendance for your best year in more than six years was lower than UCF's attendance for our worst year ever. It was not until the last two home games that UCF fans stayed away from our games in huge numbers.
I don't see the Big 10 ever taking Houston. Academics would prevent them from joining the Big 10, IMO. Houston, if they don't get into the Big 12, has a much better shot at the Pac 12 than the Big 10, IMO. The Pac 12 wants to expand east, and Houston would give them that. The problem with Houston to the Pac is that in order to become a presence in Texas, the Pac would probably need another Texas school, and as of right now, there really aren't any other appealing options in the state of Texas- UTEP, Rice, SMU.
Memphis sent the Big 12 some of its famous ribs. Let’s rank 14 candidates by food bribes they could use
http://www.sbnation.com/2016/8/12/1...as-tech-bbq-food-rankings-cincinnati-is-gross
http://www.sbnation.com/2016/8/12/1...as-tech-bbq-food-rankings-cincinnati-is-gross
USF's actual attendance is embarrassing...especially their best season in 5 years (2015)
USF 2014 Attendance: Actual and Announced
Western Carolina: 21,946 (announced 31,651)
Maryland: 19,926 (28,915)
NC State: 17,198 (27,269)
UCONN: 11,599 (28,273)
ECU: 21,750 for Homecoming (31,567)
Houston: 15,435 (29,782)
UCF: 27,368 (36,963)
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Announced: 30,694
Actual: 19,317
2015 USF Actual & Announced Attendance
USF vs FAMU 21,928 (announced: 30,434)
USF vs Memphis 14,305 (announced: 22,546)
USF vs Syracuse 18,039 (announced: 27,325)
USF vs SMU 15,157 (announced 24,338)
USF vs Temple 18,470 (announced 28,393)
USF vs Cincinnati 18,889 (announced 26,522)
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Announced: 26,758
Average Actual: 17,798
Ha! I was at that game too and I was quite impressed at the attendance UCF was able to get. Thanksgiving and 0-11 and UCF was able to pull in more fans at the end of the worst season in history than USF had at any of its home games in one of the best season it had had in years. You are just a little bitter about being called out with actual facts. Embrace the smoke and mirrors, It is what the USF football program was founded on.
Lets face it UCF has faced more adversity and has a much more stable and loyal fan base than USF. Once Leavitt was gone and pillars collapsed the USF Bandwagon emptied. UCF continues to average 30k plus even when they suck.
Care to compare football championship trophy cases? USF knows about sucking! Care to compare how many times USF has ended the season ranked? USF knows a thing or two about sucking! Care to compare BCS bowl victories? USF knows a thing or three about sucking. Ah hell lets just face the facts, USF knows everthing there is to know about sucking! Go back to the cowtard board where you belong you low foreheaded, mouth breathing booger eater.
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The Big 10's academics are not what most people think. For example, UCF's SATs greatly exceed places like Michigan State and are ahead of Indiana, Iowa, and Nebraska (though obviously not Penn State, Ohio State, or academic leader Michigan).
You are right. The Big 10 is not considering expansion. You can't even troll properly. Typical....
Love these guys that make their first post here to troll us. Their own boards must be awfully lonely...
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"Once Leavitt was gone" And, thus graced upon us the term for the first time #genshafted
I am surprised to see that in the past 10 years UWCF hasnt had a 10 win season. Based on how much they love to moo about their famous "ranked #2" season they still did not manage to win 10 games!
Meanwhile here we are with a total of four 10-win seasons out of the past ten.....
Meanwhile here we are with a total of four 10-win seasons out of the past ten.....
Of course the Big 10 is and have been considering us! They just aren't the hopelessly dysfunctional Big 12 that makes it public and never acts, while members plot to leave. What expansion talk highlights to conferences is how woefully thin the remaining field is and which schools must be grabbed up before someone else does.
For the Big 10, an ideal final 16 adds BYU and UCF, a natural and solves their problems:
1. Gets them the Sunbelt and Western region conference anchors they need to become first truly national conference that will get their conference cable and streaming contracts even more revenue.
2. Florida is by far the Big 10's biggest source of conference out-of-state recruits. Speed kills and humongous northern linemen need Florida athletes in their backfields on offense and defense.
3. Big 10 alums vacation and retire to central Florida more than anyplace. It's where their entire family went to visit theme parks as kids and hit the beaches over spring breaks in college. Orlando is populated with midwestern transplants, especially after the Rustbelt lost its manufacturing jobs, so these university presidents are super comfortable with this locale.
4. The Big 10 is THE conference for gigantic universities, huge alumni bases, strong academics, and fans who will travel. Who else besides BYU and UCF fits that bill?
Weird connect: vast Deseret Ranch (LDS largest landholder in Orlando area and state)
Record always matters but how much is up for debate. That's nice but what is everyone's hardware numbers: conference titles, confrrence titles played for, and bowl records. What bowls you played in as well. Some of the bowl records could be skewed by playing inferior competition.
I know it doesn't really mean much but figured I'd share.
This goes to what I consider the most important factor of a program: winning games that matter when you have the opportunity. For example, Baylor has won a ton of games in the last decade but what games of importance have they won? Since joining the Big 12, they are 3-3 in bowl games and 0-1 in BCS bowl games. In 2013 they won the Big 12 outright but there is no title game (I'll give them this since they won the last conference game, which they won and was a de facto title game). We beat them in the Fiesta Bowl. In 2014 they shared the Big12 title game with TCU....again, no title game to outright prove yourself.
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It's important to remember that USF operated within the power structure for quite a few years and did basically nothing with that advantage. UCF operated within the power structure for ONE year and hit a home run. If you're talking football prowess, there is no comparison - you take UCF. USF's ONLY argument is a larger TV market, but it's also a NFL, MLB, NHL TV market that cares little for the University located in its ghetto district. I live in the TB area and there is ZERO buzz about this USF football team coming off their best season in recent memory. In fact, there's this beautiful nugget from Tampa Bay local sports radio call screener that really sums up the situation:
http://collegespun.com/aac/houston/big-12-expansion-18-candidates#slideshow
Seems we're sitting pretty good if they take 4 teams.
Seems we're sitting pretty good if they take 4 teams.
Take this with an extremely small grain of salt, but I had a convo with TheDudeofWV yesterday and this is what he told me.
Me: So whats the word around town then expansion wise? When will it be announced and who has the best chances from what you're hearing.
TheDude: Several factors at play.
If ESPN/Fox agree not to contend expansion then if UT agrees to extend GoR for UH votes then if OU agrees to ESPN/Fox requests it's UH & BYU or UCF.
Me:so as of now, the most viable candidates are those 3?
TheDude: Yes. I would say the only ones with a real shot for 12.
Then you also have GregFlugaur who went on a rant yesterday and said UCF is now 'hot'.
So I know this is all speculation at this point, but seeing our name being mentioned more in a positive light for expansion is never a bad thing.
Me: So whats the word around town then expansion wise? When will it be announced and who has the best chances from what you're hearing.
TheDude: Several factors at play.
If ESPN/Fox agree not to contend expansion then if UT agrees to extend GoR for UH votes then if OU agrees to ESPN/Fox requests it's UH & BYU or UCF.
Me:so as of now, the most viable candidates are those 3?
TheDude: Yes. I would say the only ones with a real shot for 12.
Then you also have GregFlugaur who went on a rant yesterday and said UCF is now 'hot'.
So I know this is all speculation at this point, but seeing our name being mentioned more in a positive light for expansion is never a bad thing.
I don't think they'll take BYU. The LGBT outcry will be LOUD. They don't want THAT kind of controversy. Not in this day and age.
It's going to be Houston and Cinci.
It's going to be Houston and Cinci.
The Big 12 will want a team that has won something, anything, at some point in their history.
Mascot Challenges don't count.
You're going nowhere USF. You got lucky with the Big East and did ZERO with the chance. You're not getting a 2nd one.
Mascot Challenges don't count.
You're going nowhere USF. You got lucky with the Big East and did ZERO with the chance. You're not getting a 2nd one.
USF is claiming that over 40,000 average attendance. LOL!
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/usf-sends-promotional-material-to-big-12/2289700
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/usf-sends-promotional-material-to-big-12/2289700
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Who cares, it if was on attendance alone they would be idiots running the Big-12. Stop focusing on the stupid stuff. It is about TV money.
You're correct, of course, but UT also prefers the other conference schools in the Big 12 to give their university sufficient deference, too. So it's a fine line.
Stupid stuff huh? If it is about TV money then explain to me how UWCF has an advantage with its sports TV market already over saturated with 3 professional teams that clearly get the majority of the attention? In your most successful year in many years you barely registered on the local radar and the lower than expected attendance figures show it.
Going over the "promotional" material article it is abundantly clear that UWCF does not have all that much to offer the Big12 in general let alone when compared to UCF.
