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Big 12 expansion losing momentum

The presentation by USF was a joke from what we saw. The real issue is Texas and Oklahoma want more money and ESPN is feeling the squeeze from losing viewership. Waiting 6 years for Texas and Oklahoma to leave is now a viable option. Since it takes 8 of 10 to approve expansion and you're down 2 votes to begin with (OK,UT), it's highly unlikely that all the other 8 are going to agree on the teams selected for expansion at this point unless it was a power 5 team that could help them when OK and UT leave.

The Big 12 = carcass on side of road with vultures around it.
It's going to get picked apart at this point and some teams in Big 12
are going to get left behind of P5. If I was one of lesser schools I'd be throwing
incentives at OK and UT and ESPN to stay and make the league better;
but when money is involved everybody wants more / not less.

Prediction: New Big 12 league like CUSA and American coming soon and ESPN is going to
take advantage of cheaper cost for their games!
 
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KnightVision82 said:
The real issue is Texas and Oklahoma want more money and ESPN is feeling the squeeze from losing viewership. Waiting 6 years for Texas and Oklahoma to leave is now a viable option. Since it takes 8 of 10 to approve expansion and you're down 2 votes to begin with (OK,UT), it's highly unlikely that all the other 8 are going to agree on the teams selected for expansion at this point unless it was a power 5 team that could help them when OK and UT leave.
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I thought the TV contracts and GOR are both set to expire in 2025 (link). That's 9 years from now, not 6.
 
ucfversusbcs said:
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...grant-of-rights-extension-ranking-candidates/


Dodd makes no sense. How can UCF be #4 yet the Big 12 doesnt need Florida, yet South Florida's presentation alone should make them #1.

I wish the powers that be in the American can be push for a re-negotiation especially due to the play of Houston.
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Not to mention, if we are the #4 on his list, that means we're in if they expand by 4. He couldn't think of one positive thing to say, but he has positive notations about #5, and #6, and #9? Freaking hack.
 
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As soon as Baylor and West Virginia lose, the big 12 is out if the running for a playoff spot this year. That league is doomed unless they expand, and soon. They too easily can be eliminated from contention and there is no way to get back in. A title game with only 10 teams will end up with two teams playing each other twice. Either the same team wins and nobody cares, or the better team at that point loses and then there is no clear "winner", again muddling the situation.
 
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If they punt again. I never want to hear about expansion from them again. This game is old.
 
KnightVision82 said:
The Big 12 = carcass on side of road with vultures around it.
It's going to get picked apart at this point and some teams in Big 12
are going to get left behind of P5.
Prediction: New Big 12 league like CUSA and American coming soon and ESPN is going to
take advantage of cheaper cost for their games!
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This is great for UCF. Demise of the Big 12 is an opportunity to get rid of TCU, Texas Tech, even Baylor and Iowa State. A new replacement 5th Power conference could be a combination of legit Big 12 state universities plus the best of the AAC. We could call it the American Conference!
 
I can't believe the schools not named Texas and Oklahoma aren't out there vehemently demanding expansion. More money plus at least the hope of some kind of stability. Maybe they think that adding some of these G5 schools would just be more competition for those final spots in the power structure once the Big 12 collapse comes. Standing pat is ludicrous.
 
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HammerB08 said:
I can't believe the schools not named Texas and Oklahoma aren't out there vehemently demanding expansion. More money plus at least the hope of some kind of stability. Maybe they think that adding some of these G5 schools would just be more competition for those final spots in the power structure once the Big 12 collapse comes. Standing pat is ludicrous.
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That's the Midwest for you.
 
muckdawg24 said:
This drawn out death is slower than the Big East collapse.
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The old Big East and Big 12 have/had the longest death spiral, for sure! The old joke about the Big East was that it was easier to name the schools that were not once a member. At one point, there were no original members left. And then they recycled through another batch of short-termers. It was like turning on SNL each fall to see who survived from the previous season. The AAC version of the Big East (after they even sold their name to the basketball-schools) then swiped the 6 top schools from C-USA.

Meanwhile, the Big 12 was cobbled together from the old Southwest and Big 8, but immediately began bleeding school, not so much being "raided" as fleeing from UT's heavy hand. A decade ago, ESPN held a virtual wake for the conference, but somehow it survived after UT finally got its well-deserved comeuppance: the SEC rebuked UT's arrogant demands. Now UT continues years of mediocrity but stays ahead of Ohio State in the only thing that matters: $'s.
 
HammerB08 said:
I can't believe the schools not named Texas and Oklahoma aren't out there vehemently demanding expansion. More money plus at least the hope of some kind of stability. Maybe they think that adding some of these G5 schools would just be more competition for those final spots in the power structure once the Big 12 collapse comes. Standing pat is ludicrous.
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They have no power. Need 75% to add a member. With 10 teams, that means 2 can put a stop to any expansion.
 
SublimeKnight said:
They have no power. Need 75% to add a member. With 10 teams, that means 2 can put a stop to any expansion.
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It's a double barrier to admission. There are schools who oppose any expansion. And there are member who only support expansion of certain schools. That's why expansion can never occur unless more existing members depart. But today there are no places to go unless it's the Pac 12 (which nobody will do). Everyone else is full up. The only mobile schools are Texas and Oklahoma, which would endanger the Big 12's Power-5 membership or the conference's very existence.
 
HammerB08 said:
I can't believe the schools not named Texas and Oklahoma aren't out there vehemently demanding expansion. More money plus at least the hope of some kind of stability. Maybe they think that adding some of these G5 schools would just be more competition for those final spots in the power structure once the Big 12 collapse comes. Standing pat is ludicrous.
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You underestimate the power of ego. All of these schools consider themselves above the expansion candidates despite several of them being newly made P5 themselves. It is like the folks at the country club holding their noses and allowing the staff to join. They are far superior.
 
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You know, this is spot on. Who has heard anything about Nebraska lately? They seem to have fallen into oblivion. Nebraska can join the Big 12 and we'll take their spot. B1G needs a Florida footprint. We would need them to work on getting new officials though.
 
The B1G wants nothing to do with Florida. They already have coaches with recruiting pipelines to Florida. They don't care about Florida tv markets either.

Our only two choices are either join the B12 until it dissolves in 2025 or stay in the 'Murican and hope the conference gains P5 status by doing some realignment of their own.
 
jetsaholic said:
Southern Miss & Marshall would've been better additions IMO.
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I agree with USM over Tulane, but that's with the aid of hindsight. At the time that the American expansion happened, USM's football program was a mess. Winless or close to winless and no one was showing up for games. Tulane was getting a new (now empty every week) stadium, there was excitement around the new (since fired) coach.

From the perspective of the University presidents, Tulsa is way better than Marshall. Tulsa has been somewhat competitive in the AAC (not last) and they bring some academic credibility (president's care about that for whatever reason). Marshall was good in the MAC and they're good in CUSA, now that it's basically less competitive than the SunBelt. When we were in CUSA with them and ECU, UH, Tulsa were all competitive they were consistently bad. I think their one-trick of taking the athletes no one else will touch can only get them so far. I think they'd suck in the AAC.
 
There is a reason why Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa St all suck now. Who the hell wants to go there? It's not like they have enough local talent or are close enough to Texas.
 
KnightLife1 said:
I'm souring on the Big12. I actually love the AAC more as time goes on. Let's get a new media innovation for America's Conference!
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They just need more TV money. With the sports networks letting employees go, its not a great time to be aggressive in renegotiating even if its for a short term cashing in TV deal.
 
So they are having a press conference Monday after a board meeting.

It's a little concerning that media doesn't mention UCF anymore but that could be the reactionary nature of the media just naming the best Football teams this season
 
Poolside Knight said:
So they are having a press conference Monday after a board meeting.
It's a little concerning that media doesn't mention UCF anymore but that could be the reactionary nature of the media just naming the best Football teams this season
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To announce no expansion for the foreseeable future?
That would seem to be the obvious explanation. The only question is about the "explanation" the give for this PR disaster, especially given their previous record of clown circus administration of the conference. The cover story will attempt to save face, soothe egos, pacify arrogant politicians and college presidents, and still offer false hope to prospective schools they conned into participating.
 
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The mid day show on XM 84 College sports nation discussed this. They tossed our Houston and Cincy as the likely invitees and asked folks to call in about it. I only caught portions of the show and the guts suggested Cincy for a nearby West VA travel buddy and Houston because of politics and Texas . Had I had time I would have asked why not UCF. It is all just a bunch talk to get people to dial that 800 number I suppose.
 
C-MontCityKnight2 said:
You know, this is spot on. Who has heard anything about Nebraska lately? They seem to have fallen into oblivion. Nebraska can join the Big 12 and we'll take their spot. B1G needs a Florida footprint. We would need them to work on getting new officials though.
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They are undefeated and 10 in nation.
 
pittstoner74 said:
They are undefeated and 10 in nation.
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Right. But winning is not the standard for success, or even one of the standards. There are plenty of schools that win a lot and don't fill even modest-sized stadiums. Nebraska is and always was successful because people focus their lives around the Huskers. They fill their stadiums, sell their concessions, travel well, and get ratings on their pay cables. That's what conferences care about and nothing more. Wealthy conferences make everyone a winner.
 
UCFProf said:
Right. But winning is not the standard for success, or even one of the standards. There are plenty of schools that win a lot and don't fill even modest-sized stadiums. Nebraska is and always was successful because people focus their lives around the Huskers. They fill their stadiums, sell their concessions, travel well, and get ratings on their pay cables. That's what conferences care about and nothing more. Wealthy conferences make everyone a winner.
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Was in response to them not doing anything lately.
 
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