big 12 expansion update

[ucfversusbcs]

Apparently Fox and ESPN are not happy with the Big 12's decision to expand right now.

They believe the candidates doesn't add any value to the current inventory.

While Dennis Dodd uses UCF as an example of a game inventory not desirable to rights holders, the multiple articles written point out to BYU, Cincinnati, UConn and Houston or Memphis as the top contenders.

It makes me wonder if the networks will change their mind once UCF shows progress of recovering from the disastrous 2015 season.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...n-with-tv-rights-holders-shaking-their-fists/

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2016/08/01/Media/Big-12-TV.aspx

 

[ucfversusbcs]

Interesting to note this article emphasized on how only two Group of Five teams or formerly non-AQ schools moved to the current Power Five. This puts to rest the argument about how crappy P5 teams moving to other P5 conferences is an example of how winning isn't a big deal regardless.

 

[UCFProf]

Interesting to note this article emphasized on how only two Group of Five teams or formerly non-AQ schools moved to the current Power Five. This puts to rest the argument about how crappy P5 teams moving to other P5 conferences is an example of how winning isn't a big deal regardless.

Winning will always be subordinate to alumni loyalty (win or lose) and national rep. Also, the continuing collapse of the oil-based Texas-Oklahoma-Kansas economies, the Big12's reliance on wealthy donors has been exposed! Desperation is a remarkable motivator, in this case to expand the conference's narrow regional base.

 

[NestaKnight1]

F'em all. I say boycott ESPN, FOX, the Big-12 and Disney (who never helped UCF's case for inclusion). I'm cutting the cord, and not re-upping my yearly Disney passes. We need to purchase season tickets and attend UCF sporting events. That is the only thing we can control as UCF fans.

 

[LemmyKilmister]

F'em all. I say boycott ESPN, FOX, the Big-12 and Disney (who never helped UCF's case for inclusion). I'm cutting the cord, and not re-upping my yearly Disney passes. We need to purchase season tickets and attend UCF sporting events. That is the only thing we can control as UCF fans.

At least as long as we are not in the Big 12, our season tickets will be reasonable priced. You can bet if we make it, we will get the Big 12 shaft to our wallets.

 

[G-Knight]

At least as long as we are not in the Big 12, our season tickets will be reasonable priced. You can bet if we make it, we will get the Big 12 shaft to our wallets.

We will only get shafted if there is demand. If everyone holds out on renewing their season tickets, the ticket office will start shitting bricks. But this will never happen... Just like us getting an invite into the B12.

 

[UCFProf]

At least as long as we are not in the Big 12, our season tickets will be reasonable priced. You can bet if we make it, we will get the Big 12 shaft to our wallets.

Please don't say that! We faculty and alums have it nice. I loved seeing games at the Citrus Bowl in great seats for $10 (even though I'd get beer spilled on me all the time), but students couldn't easily get there.

The saddest part of not being in a major conference translates to UCF and USF students forking out 15 times more than UF students pay (and over 4 times more than FSU students) in student athletic fees (totaling over $1500 in 4 years). FIU student pay even more! These are among the very highest fees in the nation, and equivalent to paying more than $10 for to attend every home basketball and football game and get the worst seats in the house (although most students attend zero games). I loved seeing games at the Citrus Bowl in great seats (even though I'd get beer spilled on me all the time), but students couldn't easily get there.

 

[LemmyKilmister]

Please don't say that! We faculty and alums have it nice. I loved seeing games at the Citrus Bowl in great seats for $10 (even though I'd get beer spilled on me all the time), but students couldn't easily get there.

The saddest part of not being in a major conference translates to UCF and USF students forking out 15 times more than UF students pay (and over 4 times more than FSU students) in student athletic fees (totaling over $1500 in 4 years). FIU student pay even more! These are among the very highest fees in the nation, and equivalent to paying more than $10 for to attend every home basketball and football game and get the worst seats in the house (although most students attend zero games). I loved seeing games at the Citrus Bowl in great seats (even though I'd get beer spilled on me all the time), but students couldn't easily get there.

You are taking my comments the wrong way. I would like to see UCF in a major athletic conference, but I refuse to let myself get disappointed if it doesn't happen. No sense worrying about something you can't control.

 

[Poolside Knight]

You are taking my comments the wrong way. I would like to see UCF in a major athletic conference, but I refuse to let myself get disappointed if it doesn't happen. No sense worrying about something you can't control.

every offseason they suck us in with hope only for nothing to happen. I'd love to see closure about whether this Football Program will be on an equal playing field financially or if we're being left out again in Conference purgatory

 

[KnightVision82]

So much for the smoke the Big 12 commissioner was blowing when he announced what he
was looking for in expansion candidates.

They are just looking for who will throw them cash or sweetheart deal up front. UT gets free
expansion into UH market, BYU adds tradition (TV value) or Memphis gives away free championship
game plus possible FedEx cash.

All along this wont last long as UT takes free land from UH and bolts to another league
along with Oklahoma as they continue to gobble up more football cash from Big 10 or SEC.

This season we need to stay focused on development of team.

 

[80'sKnight]

every offseason they suck us in with hope only for nothing to happen. I'd love to see closure about whether this Football Program will be on an equal playing field financially or if we're being left out again in Conference purgatory

As far as hype goes, you'll have to admit that last year's was true. it indeed turned out to be a sprint instead of a marathon.

 

[80'sKnight]

Please don't say that! We faculty and alums have it nice. I loved seeing games at the Citrus Bowl in great seats for $10 (even though I'd get beer spilled on me all the time), but students couldn't easily get there.

The saddest part of not being in a major conference translates to UCF and USF students forking out 15 times more than UF students pay (and over 4 times more than FSU students) in student athletic fees (totaling over $1500 in 4 years). FIU student pay even more! These are among the very highest fees in the nation, and equivalent to paying more than $10 for to attend every home basketball and football game and get the worst seats in the house (although most students attend zero games). I loved seeing games at the Citrus Bowl in great seats (even though I'd get beer spilled on me all the time), but students couldn't easily get there.

I was a student in the mid to late 80s, and found the buses to the games easy to find.

 

[Central Floridave]

The way I see this fox/espn balk is that the Big12 may have put up a tentative list of teams that are not in very good TV viewing ratings areas. i.e Boise/Byu/Memphis/cinci. <-arguments can be made pro/con for each school listed. Maybe UCF wasn't listed and the TV producers were going, "Wait a minute, you are making a mistake not including the Central Florida TV market", but what do I know? I'm just a biased black-n-gold goggle wearing fan. Go Knights!

 

[ucfversusbcs]

Winning will always be subordinate to alumni loyalty (win or lose) and national rep. Also, the continuing collapse of the oil-based Texas-Oklahoma-Kansas economies, the Big12's reliance on wealthy donors has been exposed! Desperation is a remarkable motivator, in this case to expand the conference's narrow regional base.

Not necessarily and the article pointed out the facts. TCU and Utah are the only programs with overwhelming winning record, good market and decent fanbase. Notice once the winning record part of G5 programs disappeared, there chances for an invite diminished.

 

[The Knightman Cometh]

This is good news to me. Anytime I hear the push to NOT expand is good. Not a good time for UCF if expansion is going down right this instance. In a year or two, everyone would have forgot about this 0 win season and we can move forward.

 

[Ucfmikes]

This is good news to me. Anytime I hear the push to NOT expand is good. Not a good time for UCF if expansion is going down right this instance. In a year or two, everyone would have forgot about this 0 win season and we can move forward.

Yep. I truly believe that the longer this is drawn out, the better for UCF.

 

[UCFProf]

Yes, everything right now is merely potential at UCF: winning, new coaches working out, attendance going back 2010 levels in basketball and football, TV ratings, etc. Delay is good. However, I think the Big12 suddenly realized the lag time to give notice to the AAC already puts actual expansion off into the future. College attendance and ratings overall have been falling for years now, and they learned that being one of the very deepest conferences in winning has not translated into rising revenues.

 

[80'sKnight]

Yep. I truly believe that the longer this is drawn out, the better for UCF.

Well it's not going to be drawn out long enough. Frost's statement in his Texas interview about how soon UCF will be dominant again- "...very near future" leads me to think it's not going to be this year, or next. He seemed to imply that it wasn't going to be until he gets a full team of his own style of recruits. So, not a decade, but not a year or two.

 

[muckdawg24]

being competitive is just as good as being a perennial winner in terms of expansion IMO.