Bill Maher
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Most people who get canceled deserve it.
He acts like 2018 was decades ago. We knew the racist south was bad 2.2 years ago.
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Bill Maher: the left loves him...until they don't.
Bill Maher: the right loves him...until they don't.
He's 100% spot on here.
My opinion of what people could logically be "canceled" for fits nicely into the rules below.
Acts within the past 5 years involving hyper sensitivity and racism.
Acts within the past 20 years for blatant racism.
Acts anytime involving sexual assault.
All parody, comedy, and more broadly, all art is exempt.
Acts within the past 5 years involving hyper sensitivity and racism.
Acts within the past 20 years for blatant racism.
Acts anytime involving sexual assault.
All parody, comedy, and more broadly, all art is exempt.
Everything is relative. '5 years' is different for someone in their fifties or forties versus twentysomething.
I think his point with that was that Chris Harrison was the one being canceled, even though he wasnt there and had nothing to do with it.
I dont think anyone would disagree with that, but I also think that misses the point a bit, in that things get blown up to be those things, even when they arent. The Smith college story this week was pretty nuts, and I am honestly curious to see how progressive virtue signalers respond to it (if they do at all). I am not including you as a progressive virtue signaler, so dont take it that way.
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I would disagree with that. Cancel culture in itself is a bad thing.
Take the Bachelor controversy right now. It’s all coming about because she went to an Antebellum themed party in college. Not a good look at all, but worth turning a girl into a public villain? I don’t think so.
But instead of the response being “hey, that’s not ok and here’s why a party like that would upset people...” it’s “this girl is clearly racist, and she deserves to be shamed!” It becomes a moment not for teaching, but for punishment.
Someone who wants the world to get better takes the opportunity to teach people how to be better, and they do it in a loving way. Someone who just wants to punish people for things they’ve done wrong is motivated by something else.
I agree - and the Bachelor thing is a perfect example of the cancel culture gone wrong.
But you can't lump everything about the so-called 'cancel culture' in one big bow.
Certainly not. Somebody who shows a consistent and ongoing pattern of troubling behavior is different.
I responded to that situation in another post. But "cancel culture" isnt a bad thing all around. It is a case by case basis and some people do need to be held accountable. If someone consistently sexually harasses people at work, or makes racist jokes, etc etc, then they probably need to be fired. The problem is when things get blown up to being those things when they arent, and we make judgments without getting the facts, but some people do need to be punished in some form or another. We cant get rid of accountability altogether.
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It's not just troubling behavior, it can simply be controversial behavior as well. There was a 'cancel culture' thread here awhile back when it was announced that Disney/Lucasfilms was firing Gina Carano from its Star Wars Manalorian TV series for her controversial twitter comments.
I was a fan of Gina Carano's character on the Mandalorian so the news bummed me out. I disagreed with her Twitter takes but as far as I was concerned, her politics has zero impact on my appreciation of her acting.
On the other hand, she was representing Disney and there's this thing in all Disney (and most big corporate) contracts that tells their talent that their personal behavior and their social media comments reflect on the company and, as such, can be just cause for the termination of their contract.
People have every right to voice their opinions -- but they don't have the right to avoid the consequences when the company they work for doesn't like it. You can call it 'cancel culture' but its been around as long as we've had celebrity spokespeople. Hell, Bruce Springsteen's Jeep commercial was pulled after it was simply announced that he'd been charged with a DUI (despite being tested well under the blood/alcohol limit.)
Cancel culture is not getting fired for sexual harassment at work or making racist jokes at work. That’s been happening for years and nobody complains about that.
Cancel culture is whatever someone says it is when they have been punished for something, it has no formal definition or rules. Sometimes its valid, sometimes it isnt, but most certainly some people complain about not being able to say certain things to women, or that people should be able to take a joke, etc etc.
I'm curious, does punishing people for what they've said still qualify as 'cancel culture' when it's Republicans like Liz Cheney and Bill Cassidy?
THat is a way over simplification of what is happening. Is there some of that? Sure, But also keep in mind this isnt a partisan issue. In a thread about Bill Maher, we should also acknowledge his first show was canceled due to outrage from the right. The issue at the celebrity level anyway, is a mixture of accountability and capitalism. Disney isnt firing Carrano because they are taking a moral stance, they did it because they felt it might lose them money keeping her on, which is not unlike Maher and Politically Incorrect. Social Media is doing it for the fear of lawsuits. YOu can disagree with their decisions for sure, but lets not get it twisted and pretend Facebook is doing things out of a liberal ideology because they arent.
THe other issue is that there are people who do bad things, and then simply yell "cancel culture" when they are disciplined for those things. Bill O Reilly deserved to be fired, Mark Halperin deserved to be fired, etc etc. And lets be honest, there is also a lot of hypocrisy. Ben Shapiro immediately hired Carrano when she was fired. Do you think Ben would have had the same "cancel culture" take on Carrano, if Carrano was an outspoken liberal who made some pretty anti-semitic posts? The answer is no and his history shows that.
Then of course you have the Smith College and Oberlin type stories which are certainly cancel culture run amok, and those types of things we need to do away with. We do need to actually look into things before "canceling" people, because obviously sometimes people are either flat out lying, or are mistaken with their accusations.
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Yes. I'm the first one to admit this isn't a decidedly partisan issue.
It's tough to say because again, that is a money issue. If Disney felt she was going to cost them money, then yes I believe she would have been. But if you want to argue differently that is fine. As I said, I think there is a lot of hypocrisy when it comes to this sort of thing.
The point is that Carrano brought this on herself when she decided to make controversial social media posts online. No corporation - particularly a highly visible one in the entertainment business like Disney - wants controversy of any kind that could negatively impact their bottom line.
When you have a high-profile position within a large organization, you know you've got to be very careful about what you do and what you say. That's just common sense.
Chris Harrison had to go to a proverbial re-education camp because he basically said that we shouldn't pass judgment on this girl until she's had a chance to think about it and make a statement. In what world is that not an admirable position to take?
I guess I don't really see what about it was controversial. Was Disney afraid that the left would boycott them over that statement?
This goes to my point about hypocrisy. When Ilhan Omar talks about a PAC "being about the Benjamin's" the right makes her out to be a raging Anti-Semite, despite the fact that PACs are literally about money. And of course people like Shapiro slam her over it. When Carrano posts questionable things that could be considered anti-Semitic, or at least downplaying the Holocaust, they turn it into she is just being fired for being a conservative, and Shapiro even gives her a job. The problem with cancel culture, is that people only think it applies if it is their side being "canceled".
I totally agree. I'm of the opinion that it's better to let someone say whatever they want out loud no matter what it is they want to say. At least then you know exactly who you're dealing with.
I think people should be able to say what they want, but in a capitalist market their employer also has a right to get rid of them if they feel they will hurt the business. That is nothing new. I think the Smith College, Evergreen, and Oberlin college stories and those types of stories are more concerning, because in those cases they go after average people who arent high profile in the least bit, but who have also done nothing wrong.
No one here is shocked by your admission, crazy.
There was immediate kickback from the left (i.e. #firecarano) after her remarks were made public -- and it should be pointed out this wasn't the first time she'd gotten in hot water with Disney for her remarks. You'd think that after her boss, Jon Favreau, stuck up for her with Disney's big brass, she'd have learned her lesson.
I do not agree with everything that Maher says. Far from it. But he has absolutely 100% been consistent when it comes to the woke left, PC garbage, and cancel culture. And it is here where a very non-objective left loses their shit when he dares call them out on their bullshit.
Let's see...
The Spanish Inquisition...wait
The 1917 Russian Revolution...wait no.
The rise of the National Socialist Party...missed again.
FDR when he imprisoned Japanese Americans simply for living while Japanese.
Stalin, May, Castro , The Iatolah , The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, North Korea ...They all cancel people for the benefit of the collective and the collective is waaay more important than the individual.
So, I want to get this straight . I can fire an employee for not representing my company the way I see fit? What would happen if I fired the young lady who wore a BLM shirt to work? Would I be in the right or would I be cancelled? So, if Disney can do it , then so can I right?
The problem with what's going on is the rules change by the hour and by who you are. It's truly out of control.
you mean, if she had said something worth being cancelled over? no, he wouldn't have hired her. she would've identified as a Democrat and y'all would've elected her to Congress
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