BLM supports Cuba’s… government?

[Knight In TN]

And condemns the US government.



According to them, it’s the US government in the wrong, and not the government that will throw you/your family in jail for trying to leave, has cut off internet access, etc.

There was a practice in the US about 160 years ago where if you tried to run away you could get in a lot of trouble too…

BLM is not even hiding the fact that they are an organization of Marxist fanboys and fangirls anymore.

 

[chemmie]

Eh. They are idiots, and this is an incredibly over-simplistic view from both the BLM idiot(s) and you.

 

[sk8knight]

Of course they do. In addition to being a Marxist organization with founders that claim to be "trained Marxists," BLM has preached the doctrine of one of the founders of the Weather Underground in the 70's since the very beginning of BLM. That founder, then named Joanne Chesimard, was convicted of the murder of a police officer. She absconded after her conviction and has been living in Cuba for 30 years under the protection of the regime and under the name Assata Shakur. BLM has actually held rallies in DC where they've recited her writings in public.

 

[chemmie]

I gotta ask, did you boomers actually live through the Cold War, or did your daddies teach you to be scared of the commies?

 

[sk8knight]

I gotta ask, did you boomers actually live through the Cold War, or did your daddies teach you to be scared of the commies?

Why do you love communism so much?

 

[chemmie]

Why do you love communism so much?

That's a hell of a jump.

So, the choices are being scared of commies for the last 80+ years, or loving them?

 

[chemmie]

Communism has been irrelevant for roughly 35 years, and you guys are still scared of them.

 

[Knight In TN]

Communism has been irrelevant for roughly 35 years, and you guys are still scared of them.

Irrelevant to whom? Not to the Cubans who aren’t allowed to leave their country, or protest their government.

 

[Knight In TN]

I gotta ask, did you boomers actually live through the Cold War, or did your daddies teach you to be scared of the commies?

How old are you? I’m probably younger than you are.

 

[Poolside Knight]

not everyone in the movement agrees with whoever runs that account

 

[sk8knight]

not everyone in the movement agrees with whoever runs that account

You could say that about almost every organization everywhere.

 

[chemmie]

How old are you? I’m probably younger than you are.

So your grandpappy taught you to be scared of commies.

 

[DaShuckster]

not everyone in the movement agrees with whoever runs that account

That BLM Twitter post is a great example that of the fact that The Left is capable of really stupid sh*t too.

The writers of that tweet undermined their own message by naively sticking their noses into the Cuban situation. The question has to be asked: WHY GO THERE? WHAT DID IT ACCOMPLISH?

All it did was give fodder to their critics who dismiss protests over police violence against Blacks by painting their movement as 'Marxist.'

 

[UCFBS]

This pretty much alienates 60-75% of Americans, and then makes another +15-30% (who aren't the 10% of die-hard Progressives) question the purpose of BLM.

It's just like watching AOC complain about drinking out of toilets, instead of listening to people trying to explain to her how 'environmentally friendly plumbing' works.

 

[goodknightfl]

I gotta ask, did you boomers actually live through the Cold War, or did your daddies teach you to be scared of the commies?

At 66, Yes I lived thru much of it. My "daddy" never said much about it, but history and watching what goes on in communist countries is enough education.

 

[goodknightfl]

not everyone in the movement agrees with whoever runs that account

The movement is strictly about Marxism, the whole BLM thing is a front to hide behind.

 

[DaShuckster]

The movement is strictly about Marxism, the whole BLM thing is a front to hide behind.

Well, the clowns responsible for that Instagram post certainly strengthened your position.

 

[sk8knight]

BLM doesn't post a mission statement or values on their site. They post demands that they update from time to time and right now those are centered around the evil white supremacy of Trump and 1/6. Note: they did post a mission statement prior to George Floyd and that mission had a pretty strong denunciation of capitalism in it.

But there is a group that feeds into BLM that does post a set of values. This group sanitized it's values to be more consumable by the mainstream post-George Floyd riots, but the Marxist roots are very clear as you read through them.

HOME - M4BL

m4bl.org

 

[UCFBS]

The movement is strictly about Marxism, the whole BLM thing is a front to hide behind.

It's not totally about Marxism, but yes, Marxism plays a huge role in the ideology. And yes, Marxists are loving it.

I still believe in much of BLM's mission outside of Marxist economics and leadership. But some of the leadership is 'affluent' like Marx was too.

 

[Knight In TN]

That BLM Twitter post is a great example that of the fact that The Left is capable of really stupid sh*t too.

The writers of that tweet undermined their own message by naively sticking their noses into the Cuban situation. The question has to be asked: WHY GO THERE? WHAT DID IT ACCOMPLISH?

All it did was give fodder to their critics who dismiss protests over police violence against Blacks by painting their movement as 'Marxist.'

And that’s why I don’t support Black Lives Matter (the organization) but have no problem being supportive of criminal justice reform, holding bad cops accountable, etc.

But this post is like the curtain being pulled back. The organization wants Marxism to gain popularity, and judging by the comments on the post, they misjudged how their followers feel about Marxism.

 

[Poolside Knight]

That BLM Twitter post is a great example that of the fact that The Left is capable of really stupid sh*t too.

The writers of that tweet undermined their own message by naively sticking their noses into the Cuban situation. The question has to be asked: WHY GO THERE? WHAT DID IT ACCOMPLISH?

All it did was give fodder to their critics who dismiss protests over police violence against Blacks by painting their movement as 'Marxist.'

Florida Politics had a good article talking about how awful some on the Right and Left have been about this current Cuba situation. They have made it about themselves to make it U.S Centric to score a partisan ‘own’. Instead of just uniting around the Cuban people determining their future on the Island and stopping the purity test attacks towards each other . It’s a good example of why many hate Americans

and within the Democratic Party the ‘AOC wing’ is more of a liability than an asset at this point. She has kind of gone off the rails on a few things and has shown hypocrisy on others . Cuba being a good example where she is suddenly quiet when she one of the ‘most online’ members of Congress

 

[Crazyhole]

Florida Politics had a good article talking about how awful some on the Right and Left have been about this current Cuba situation. They have made it about themselves to make it U.S Centric to score a partisan ‘own’. Instead of just uniting around the Cuban people determining their future on the Island and stopping the purity test attacks towards each other . It’s a good example of why many hate Americans

and within the Democratic Party the ‘AOC wing’ is more of a liability than an asset at this point. She has kind of gone off the rails on a few things and has shown hypocrisy on others . Cuba being a good example where she is suddenly quiet when she one of the ‘most online’ members of Congress

It's far beyond just politicians too. I'm pretty pragmatic but am generally non-interventionalist. When I suggested that this is one of the times we actually should play an active role, I get accused of being a neocon.

Hard to be too outraged at politicians that do the exact same thing that we do at this level.

 

[Poolside Knight]

 

[UCFBS]

Florida Politics had a good article talking about how awful some on the Right and Left have been about this current Cuba situation. They have made it about themselves to make it U.S Centric to score a partisan ‘own’.

That's everything these days. As I said, when Forest Gump becomes partisan ...

Instead of just uniting around the Cuban people determining their future on the Island and stopping the purity test attacks towards each other. It’s a good example of why many hate Americans

The key is telling them it's the US Media, not many Americans. 80% have 'checked out.'

and within the Democratic Party the ‘AOC wing’ is more of a liability than an asset at this point. She has kind of gone off the rails on a few things and has shown hypocrisy on others .

The Squad is a joke. But they have the US Media's ear, and too many in the GOP care.

I just make fun of how ignorant AOC is on the environment and economics, because too many of my career colleagues think she's everything ... namely DC people.

Cuba being a good example where she is suddenly quiet when she one of the ‘most online’ members of Congress

Yep. She could really drive a lot of people to the GOP in this case.

 

[goodknightfl]

AOC is an educated expert on Climate, She went to Greta U.

So don't critizize her... "HOW DARE YOU!"

 

[sk8knight]

That's everything these days. As I said, when Forest Gump becomes partisan ...


The key is telling them it's the US Media, not many Americans. 80% have 'checked out.'


The Squad is a joke. But they have the US Media's ear, and too many in the GOP care.

I just make fun of how ignorant AOC is on the environment and economics, because too many of my career colleagues think she's everything ... namely DC people.


Yep. She could really drive a lot of people to the GOP in this case.

But she's not going to do that because most people know absolutely nothing about Cuba and the people that subscribe to her feeds will believe her without a second thought. Especially when a lot of the other people that group is connected to spout the same stuff.

 

[djrenown]

That BLM Twitter post is a great example that of the fact that The Left is capable of really stupid sh*t too.

The writers of that tweet undermined their own message by naively sticking their noses into the Cuban situation. The question has to be asked: WHY GO THERE? WHAT DID IT ACCOMPLISH?

All it did was give fodder to their critics who dismiss protests over police violence against Blacks by painting their movement as 'Marxist.'

The BLM movement, and people behind the movement is absolutely marxist. The slogan black lives matter, or actually caring about black lives is what is not.

 

[djrenown]

I gotta ask, did you boomers actually live through the Cold War, or did your daddies teach you to be scared of the commies?

My dad who fled the island of cuba and lost his land, possessions, family and life, is who taught me about being scared of commies. Maybe if you had similar life experiences you'd sympathize. At this point empathy wouldn't be terrible either.

 

[DaShuckster]

At this point empathy wouldn't be terrible either.

Empathy? HERE??!?

Sorry, you've come to the wrong board.

 

[djrenown]

Empathy? HERE??!?

Sorry, you've come to the wrong board.

fair, but at least I could without the name calling

 

[chemmie]

My dad who fled the island of cuba and lost his land, possessions, family and life, is who taught me about being scared of commies. Maybe if you had similar life experiences you'd sympathize. At this point empathy wouldn't be terrible either.

Forgive me, as I wasn't necessarily thinking about that perspective. I have a lot of empathy for Cubans who have lost everything due to their horrible government.

My comments were aimed towards Americans who have an irrational fear of communism in America. I'm sorry, but Marxism isn't nearly as prevalent as some want to believe, and isn't even a minor threat. Even during the worst years of the Cold War, communism was never a major threat to America and was nothing more than a tool used by politicians to keep people scared and in line.

In spite of what a lot of people around here think, I don't support communists. I just don't think communism is any type of threat. Mosquitoes are a bigger threat to the United States than communists.

 

[Nautiknight]

In other news the Biden administration is working with social media and big tech to ferret out misinformation about Covid and vacines. Government is "partneting " with these private companies to get all that nonsense and fake news off of social media giving the American people the information approved by the government and it's information you can trust because it's from the government.

Chemmie, my challenge to you is to read Karl Marx and his manifesto. Read the 10 pillars of communism and read the Progressive platform in America . Then tell me communism isn't a threat. I have read Marx,read the Progressive Platform and have read the Declaration of Independence,the US Constitution with the bill of Rights and I have read the majority of the federalist papers. I also took Constitutional Law at FSUs college of law for my masters degree and environmental law too plus land use law.

Karl Marx and the American progressive movement are nearly identical. Their thinking and ideas are antithetical to the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

You say communism isn't a threat to the government. I will give you that. it's a threat to the people as half our government is already there. The Bill of Rights are crystal clear and none of the Constitution gets suspended due to a pandemic. Freedom of speech means that. The government is not the arbiter of truth . When the Biden admin started working with Facebook to essentially censor thought they are violating the Constitution. Marxism and it's ugly twin sister the National Socialists both control the individual down to speech, writing and thought. It's not the government job to silence critics of the vacine . It's their job to give it's official position and let the chips fall. Government doesn't approve of scientific theory which ones are acceptable and which ones are not. I'm, that's not how science works.

Hey I got a theory on Climate Change. Government censor, does it meet the current narrative of man made carbon climate change?
me:nope, it's a different idea.
Government: It's not our idea ,therefore we fear it and therefore you must be silenced . You will be banned by Facebook for your climate herresy.

This is exactly what world we are in now. Don't give mosquitoes are a bigger threat when we are now full on having government actors dictate their world view on so-called social media platforms in the guise of safety .

Brother, I earned my degrees in biology and environmental planning and resource management. I am all about the scientific process and it's integrity to let science be science . When you inject politics, it becomes dogma. and now we are on the dogma trail with Covid. Authoritarians ,which communist are, don't like free thought . atgey don't like anyone but the state to be in charge and they silence all opposition ideas and opinions. Guess what? that ain't science ,because grows throw new ideas and opposition to existing theories . Science questions .Marxism demands absolute submission.

We are more on the path of an authoritarian government than you give credit for here . The Cuban government sucks . it has killed hundreds of thousands over decades , imprisoned many more and has stolen the future of the Cuban people..They are evil and BLM well they agree with that government.. I think that's all we need to know.

 

[chemmie]

 

[djrenown]

This board is ridiculous in that regard. Mostly fans of the same team and everyone has to toss around insults.

it is funny, but i also have heard the phrase "insults are the men's love language". I think in general dudes just rib on each other, i think you gotta be careful though around serious topics where people obviously may have been impacted. Calling someone a Heupel Nut Hugger is a lot different than insulting someone for some belief they may have from personal life experiences. My 2 cents.

 

[djrenown]

Forgive me, as I wasn't necessarily thinking about that perspective. I have a lot of empathy for Cubans who have lost everything due to their horrible government.

My comments were aimed towards Americans who have an irrational fear of communism in America. I'm sorry, but Marxism isn't nearly as prevalent as some want to believe, and isn't even a minor threat. Even during the worst years of the Cold War, communism was never a major threat to America and was nothing more than a tool used by politicians to keep people scared and in line.

In spite of what a lot of people around here think, I don't support communists. I just don't think communism is any type of threat. Mosquitoes are a bigger threat to the United States than communists.

Appreciate it. I'm with you, i think communism is far far away from any sort of threat to our democracy. However, I do think people with experiences inside of Communism look at people like AOC, Bernie, etc who are proud socialist and look at that as step 1 to an eventual communist regime. I disagree with that notion.

I think eventually America ends up looking a lot like Canada, from a left vs right policy perspective. Taxes will inevitably go up. Free/Universal health care is an eventuality. Free college is also an eventuality. the question becomes, does it take 4 or 24 years to get there.

I'm honestly not a fan of a lot of those policies, but it's inevitable. The country in general is FAR more liberal than it was just 20 years ago. Just a funny stat, Al Gore and GW Bush were tied amongst young voters (18-24). Let that sink in. A democrat and a republican were tied for the young people vote, just 21 years ago. That to me is the perfect statistic that proves how more liberal we are as a nation. Biden won that same demographic vs Trump, 59 to 35.

 

[sk8knight]

it is funny, but i also have heard the phrase "insults are the men's love language". I think in general dudes just rib on each other, i think you gotta be careful though around serious topics where people obviously may have been impacted. Calling someone a Heupel Nut Hugger is a lot different than insulting someone for some belief they may have from personal life experiences. My 2 cents.

Don’t worry, it’s only another 6 weeks and we can start reveling in the tears of our friends from the school that brought us the technology to create the McRib and Dinosaur Nuggets.

 

[DaShuckster]

Just a funny stat, Al Gore and GW Bush were tied amongst young voters (18-24). Let that sink in. A democrat and a republican were tied for the young people vote, just 21 years ago. That to me is the perfect statistic that proves how more liberal we are as a nation. Biden won that same demographic vs Trump, 59 to 35.

The only thing that stat proves is that today's youth were smart enough and clear-minded enough to see how disastrous Trump was for our country.

 

[djrenown]

The only thing that stat proves is that today's youth were smart enough and clear-minded enough to see how disastrous Trump was for our country.

The same age group voted at a similar rate for Hillary in 2016. That group also voted at a higher rate for Obama, obviously, as Obama had the ability to get the younger people out to vote.

 

[DaShuckster]

The same age group voted at a similar rate for Hillary in 2016.

I was no Hillary fan, but I was smart enough to see through the con man running against her. So did the majority of young voters. Its stats like yours that give me hope for our country’s future.