Bloomberg is in.

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  1. firm_bizzle

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    I have my candidate. Whew.


    $52B net worth. Election over.
     
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    He needs to give up $51.9 billion of his net worth to be taken seriously. Needs to live in the bars to make him legit.
     
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    [roll]Not just Bloomberg

     
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    Holder wants to but that guy is [sick]
     
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    So..., the Democrats have a new 77 year old hopeful. So..., now everything that was said about how great the other candidates were can go out the window? They were all terrible, right guys?
     
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    This is fascinating. Bloomberg is going to play horribly with the progressive base. I don't think he can qualify in time for the next debate. If he's successful, he take most of his votes from Biden as a centrist option and undercuts Mayor Pete's ability to fill that void if Biden falls. If anything, this dilutes the centrist vote and helps the Warren / Biden wing - right? And the sole reason he's doing this is because he despises the progressive economic agenda right?
     
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    Lol dude Biden IS the centrist vote. So Mayor Dipshit, wanting to offer a “centrist option”, would actually just be diluting the centrist vote to pave the way for a far left loon like Warren

    which I’m fine with. I welcome Warren running with open arms
     
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    It's not "the Democrats", it's the sane people that want someone competent to run this country. 12 years running a city of 9 million people, built a real business empire, data driven and doesn't toss out BS ideas like MFA.
     
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    The concept of Joe Biden is good, experienced and centrist, but he ain't delivering. You'd have to hide him on the campaign trail. Trump is on his way to re-election against this field.
     
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    He’d be running against Trump. There’s really no gaffe that would be so severe that he can’t quickly recover from. Our hypersonic news cycle has made that so.
     
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    I agree. All of Joe's faults in a normal presidential election are offset by Trump (age, gaffe, creepiness) but Trump can get in front of 25,000 and put on a show, Joe can't.
     
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    firm and 85 both making good points about trump vs biden. hard to tell who would win. i lean towards trump because hes the incumbent but only slightly. biden could definitely win. we could even see biden win popular but trump win the electoral. i think it would be very close.

    i like trump against most of the other candidates though.
     
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    Biden would definitely win the popular vote, probably by 5 million against Trump. I don't know if that's enough to become president. We're looking at the potential end of the Republic if that happened though. Trump isn't humble at all. After losing a second presidential election popular vote by an even larger margin, he'll act like he won by 10 million votes. That will engender half of America to opt out the current system.
     
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    i could see trump losing the popular again, but still winning the electoral again. either way, the electoral is what matters. that is why i want warren to win the dnc primary. i think trump could potentially win popular and electoral over warren.
     
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    The electoral is what matters. People would be upset and get over it if he were a normal president (Bush), but Trump is the type to lose by a larger margin and become a bigger a-hole.
     
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    All hypothetical at this point, but I don't think the D nominee matters nearly as much as other factors right now. If Trump's approval among independents stays sub 40%, and impeachment support stabilizes above 50% of independents after the Senate Trial, he's going to have a massive headwind regardless of nominee. His playbook is to rally the base, which is going to do little to move that group in his direction.

    You guys that think Warren can't win in the general are in for a rude awakening. Trump might beat her but his path is still incredibly narrow. You know how the "idea" of Joe Biden is much better than the actual candidate? I think Warren is going to be in the opposite position. The "idea" of Warren is going to be way scarier than the candidate that shows up on the debate stage.
     
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    She's personable and very good at explaining difficult topics. That was Bill Clinton's greatest strength.
     
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    I'm surprised that anyone would say that Warren is personable. To me, she comes across as more shrill than Hillary. She is very smart and Trump would probably disadvantage himself in the debates by focusing on the "pocahontas" angle, but then again I also thought hillary won all 3 debates with Trump only to find out that public polling showed the opposite.
     
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    warren tries to hard to be likable. it comes across as fake. really trump just needs to focus on the crazy socialist ideas and that will sink her. most people dont like that stuff.
     
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    On the campaign trail she is shrill, I meant more in one on one interviews and when she was on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. I feel like vulnerable people get taken advantage of with student loans, payday loans, credit cards, etc and she really went to bat for the little guy.
     
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    I think Warren will easily beat pence in the general.
     
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    Calling a woman who is literally just talking shrill. Yikes.
     
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    FWIW, I agree with that. I don't mind her and I'm impressed with her ability to recognize problems like predatory loans. Her solutions are terrible, but to her credit she does recognize the problem.
     
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    We all see things differently but I see her as very personable also. See some of her campaign vids where she calls random small donors for no reason. Definitely comes across as comfortable and personable in those scenarios. The debate stage with 10+ people on it and limited time to talk I think is a much harder environment for anyone to get that across. But I think if she's 1v1 against Trump that will come across better.

    This is a huge challenge - especially for a female candidate. I mean look a this discussion - we're talking about how "shrill" the women seem. I agree that it's hard to avoid that kind of description while simultaneously coming off as strong, but I think she balances that far better than Hillary ever could. Plus, Hillary was completely out of touch with the challenges of working class voters. Warren isn't and I think that contrast will be sharp.
     
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    Women aren't the only people who can come across as shrill. For example, I also think my ex-wife, mother in law, and oldest daughter are shrill.
     
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    It's when she raises her voice at campaign rallies. I can't think of any woman that does this well, maybe Palin?
     
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    The southern accent helps offset the shrillness. There is an inverse accent/shrill ratio.
     
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    The accent isn't what helps. It's the cowboy hat and tassels on implants.
     
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    Liz Warren is a wealthy left wing lunatic who fraudulently lied about her non existent Native American heritage to get ahead as a white woman in order to jump ahead of other qualified candidates since people thought she was NA.

    Is there anything less Woke than that?

    she’s a disaster. She’s lying through her teeth about taxes required for MFA. She wants to decimate the military by cutting $800B.

    She would be less liked that Hillary
     
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    i agree with you all the way up until the last sentence.

    she may be all those other things, but she wouldnt be as hated as hillary.
     
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    This is a little bit OT, but when did budget numbers go from being yearly totals to 10 year totals? When people hear "cut 800 billion" or "add 50 trillion" it seems disingenuous because those are longterm numbers that will undoubtedly change.
     
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    Nope, hate Hillary more.
     
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    Woman in politics: talks
    Male voters: voice is too shrill, I prefer <male politician>

    Nothing to see here folks, this isn't sexism.
     
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    As someone pointed out recently, this country likes to flip between stable and crazy, like in a relationship.

    After 8 years of stable, but boring, Obama, people wanted to **** the crazy chick at the bar.

    The only question is; have they gotten it out of their system in 4 years this time?
     
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    Also, as was pointed out by "the Mooch", Democrats do better when they run someone young.

    So Mayor Pete?

    But I'm not sure this country votes for a gay president before a woman president.

    I'm not even sure if we've gotten rid of enough boomers yet to elect any woman president. My mother is still of the generation that thinks women don't have the "temperament" to be president.
     
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    Hillary was a terrible candidate. So can't blame that on gender.
     
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    Yet she got more votes than Trump. So I guess that makes him worse.
     
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    Trump was a terrible candidate and is a terrible person, but he doesn't get enough credit for actually being pretty smart. Which of the other potential Republican candidates had a chance to flip Pennsylvania or wisconsin? Rubio, Cruz, bush, etc would have lost both of them. Hillary lost florida and ohio based on her own flaws no doubt, but you have to give trump credit for flipping the traditionally blue states.
     
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    I give credit to the Republicans who know how to demonize a person like no other. There's still a large portion of the country that believes Hillary had a child prostitution ring in a pizza house basement, and that Obama was born in Kenya.

    Bravo conservatives. Bravo.
     
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    I have a friend that hates Trump, but voted for Jill Stein because she bought into the character assassination. That's all it took. Enough doubt in a few key places, and the 3rd party pulled votes away which let the electoral college do its thing.

    10,000 votes is all it took.
     

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