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Can there be reconciliation

Crazyhole

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or does this country just need to split? It really is starting to seem like things are too far gone to keep things together.
 
Maybe split the country. Those that want to live in a sh!t hole with no police and the other side productive members of society.
Logistically it would be pretty tough because of geography, free travel, trade, etc. but I'm to the point that I think it would be better than what we have. There's just too big of a cultural divide right now to have an overarching federal government satisfy both sides.
 
I hope not bc that is exactly what Putin wants


There are a certain chain of events that I think would lead to Pac12 States flirting with it.
 
How do we divvy up the debt? Or do we just default on it?

Theoretically, let's say Texas actually does decide to secede. We want an amicable divorce so how do we apportion their debt? Population or GDP?
 
How do we divvy up the debt? Or do we just default on it?

Theoretically, let's say Texas actually does decide to secede. We want an amicable divorce so how do we apportion their debt? Population or GDP?
No debt, no USA. New currency.
 
I think it is too late. and no there will not be a split and 2 countries. The Socialist will win just like the Nazi's/socialist did. Freedom will end, the Europe likely fall apart without us. With the US becoming the next Venezuela, the engine that has lifted 100s, of millions of people out of poverty will be gone. The natural state of man in history has been slavery, mistreatment, and poverty led by a few very wealthy.

History will repeat itself.
 
I think it is too late. and no there will not be a split and 2 countries. The Socialist will win just like the Nazi's/socialist did. Freedom will end, the Europe likely fall apart without us. With the US becoming the next Venezuela, the engine that has lifted 100s, of millions of people out of poverty will be gone. The natural state of man in history has been slavery, mistreatment, and poverty led by a few very wealthy.

History will repeat itself.

Haha! Wrong. It's very easy to see where this is going. We will move in the same direction as our anglo allies, Canada, UK, and Australia. A country with universal health care, quality transportation and better safety standards for our food, water and air.
 
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Haha! Wrong. It's very easy to see where this is going. We will move in the same direction as our anglo allies, Canada, UK, and Australia. A country with universal health care, quality transportation and better safety standards for our food, water and air.

"Quality transportation" [roll]
 
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I think it is too late. and no there will not be a split and 2 countries. The Socialist will win just like the Nazi's/socialist did. Freedom will end, the Europe likely fall apart without us. With the US becoming the next Venezuela, the engine that has lifted 100s, of millions of people out of poverty will be gone. The natural state of man in history has been slavery, mistreatment, and poverty led by a few very wealthy.

History will repeat itself.
i think you may be right, especially if trump loses.
 
If I might make a point, we've got a pretty good thing going on here in the US of A. I think it's awesome how different people and places are across this great land. I've done extensive traveling in the US and I've yet to travel anywhere else (yet) that is like it, and I've been to a lot of different countries (although only on vacations and not staying for extended periods of time to live or anything like that). Walking away or giving up now would be kind of like going 13-0, winning a Natty, then taking on a job that produces a ~.409 win percentage. Yeah, I'll stick with greatness and the USA until I'm dead.
 
I think it's awesome how different people and places are across this great land. .
In my opinion outside of Florida beaches & Orlando theme parks most of the appeal of America at least as a destination is Colorado and to the West. Yes the history, power and money circles around DC to NYC but if I am making a recommendation to a foreign tourist that is doing an extended trip after seeing Florida I would say skip the Northeast head West: Coastal California, drive through the Desert to Vegas, Grand Canyon, Colorado, ect. . Or maybe I'm being too harsh on the Northeast and am biased based on scenery and weather:D
 
In the top 20 states and DC ranked by GDP per capita, only 4 vote republican and none of those 4 have a population over 2 million.

Y'all really want to split from the bread winners? Have your biggest company be Loves Truck Stops or something?
 
In the top 20 states and DC ranked by GDP per capita, only 4 vote republican and none of those 4 have a population over 2 million.

Y'all really want to split from the bread winners? Have your biggest company be Loves Truck Stops or something?

If it meant separating from wastes of life like you? Fine by me. These cesspool left wing States won’t survive on their own given they’re scared of guns.
 
If it meant separating from wastes of life like you? Fine by me. These cesspool left wing States won’t survive on their own given they’re scared of guns.
We get food, oil, and Disneyworld. They get riots, CNN, and an unwarranted sense of self importance.

Best divorce ever
 
We get food, oil, and Disneyworld. They get riots, CNN, and an unwarranted sense of self importance.

Best divorce ever
Only in the mind of chuds would people think trading away Amazon Google Apple Facebook Twitter Microsoft for piles and piles of corn is a good deal.

Yall really this mad about black people being tired of police killing them that you want to succeed from a nation youre currently in charge of 2/3 branches and have a plurality in the other 1/3. Hahaha this is a new level of shook. Leaving a nation that you currently lead. Yikes.
 
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Only in the mind of chuds would people think trading away Amazon Google Apple Facebook Twitter Microsoft for piles and piles of corn is a good deal.

Yall really this mad about black people being tired of police killing them that you want to succeed from a nation youre currently in charge of 2/3 branches and have a plurality in the other 1/3. Hahaha this is a new level of shook. Leaving a nation that you currently lead. Yikes.

Nothing to do with black people, everything to do with patsy white pansy liberal wastes of life like you
 
Oh I love this. Well based on the top 10 states for GDP Blue Voting States have a 6-4 advantage. They are carrying the weight!! But wait, there’s more! Top 10 states based on debt: 9 Blue 1 Red. So maybe those blue states racking up the debt shouldn’t brag about their GDP when they are still in the red and sinking.


States by GDP

California - Blue
Texas - Red
New York - Blue
Florida - Red
Illinois - Blue
Pennsylvania - Blue
Ohio - Red
New Jersey
Georgia - Red
Washington - Blue

6 Blue, 4 Red


States by Debt:

NJ - Blue
Illinois - Blue
Massachusetts - Blue
Kentucky - Red
California - Blue
Maryland - Blue
Rhode Island - Blue
Hawaii - Blue
New York - Blue
Pennsylvania - Blue

9 Blue, 1 Red

Source: https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/economy/states-with-the-most-debt/#3

 
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Oh I love this. Well based on the top 10 states for GDP Blue Voting States have a 6-4 advantage. They are carrying the weight!! But wait, there’s more! Top 10 states based on debt: 9 Blue 1 Red. So maybe those blue states racking up the debt shouldn’t brag about their GDP when they are still in the red and sinking.


States by GDP

California - Blue
Texas - Red
New York - Blue
Florida - Red
Illinois - Blue
Pennsylvania - Blue
Ohio - Red
New Jersey
Georgia - Red
Washington - Blue

6 Blue, 4 Red


States by Debt:

NJ - Blue
Illinois - Blue
Massachusetts - Blue
Kentucky - Red
California - Blue
Maryland - Blue
Rhode Island - Blue
Hawaii - Blue
New York - Blue
Pennsylvania - Blue

9 Blue, 1 Red

Source: https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/economy/states-with-the-most-debt/#3
https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/economy/states-with-the-most-debt/#3
Now do GDP Per capita please.
 
Now do GDP Per capita please.



GDP Per Cap

DC - Blue
Mass - Blue
New York - Blue
Connecticut - Blue
Alaska - Red
Delaware - Blue
North Dakota - Red
Wyoming - Red
California - Blue
New Jersey - Blue

Goes From 6-4 to 7-3


Debt Per Cap

DC - Blue
Hawaii - Blue
California - Blue
Colorado - Blue
Maryland - Blue
Virginia - Blue
Washington - Blue
Massachusetts - Blue
Connecticut - Blue
Utah - Red

Still 9-1 Blue


So in terms of Debt, It remains 9-1 Blue. In terms of GDP Blue goes from up 6-4 to up 7-3. I wouldn’t say It changed much.
 
GDP Per Cap

DC - Blue
Mass - Blue
New York - Blue
Connecticut - Blue
Alaska - Red
Delaware - Blue
North Dakota - Red
Wyoming - Red
California - Blue
New Jersey - Blue

Goes From 6-4 to 7-3


Debt Per Cap

DC - Blue
Hawaii - Blue
California - Blue
Colorado - Blue
Maryland - Blue
Virginia - Blue
Washington - Blue
Massachusetts - Blue
Connecticut - Blue
Utah - Red

Still 9-1 Blue


So in terms of Debt, It remains 9-1 Blue. In terms of GDP Blue goes from up 6-4 to up 7-3. I wouldn’t say It changed much.

Here's a list of states that are above the national average.


1 2
23px-Flag_of_New_York.svg.png
New York 85,746
2 2
23px-Flag_of_Massachusetts.svg.png
Massachusetts 82,480
3 3
23px-Flag_of_Delaware.svg.png
Delaware 77,253
4 3
20px-Flag_of_Connecticut.svg.png
Connecticut 76,342
5 4
23px-Flag_of_California.svg.png
California 74,205
6 4
23px-Flag_of_Washington.svg.png
Washington 74,182
7 4
21px-Flag_of_Alaska.svg.png
Alaska 73,205
8 4
21px-Flag_of_North_Dakota.svg.png
North Dakota 72,597
9 6
22px-Flag_of_Wyoming.svg.png
Wyoming 69,900
10 6
23px-Flag_of_New_Jersey.svg.png
New Jersey 69,378
11 6
23px-Flag_of_Maryland.svg.png
Maryland 68,573
12 6
23px-Flag_of_Illinois.svg.png
Illinois 67,268
13 6
23px-Flag_of_Minnesota.svg.png
Minnesota 64,675
14 6
23px-Flag_of_Hawaii.svg.png
Hawaii 64,096
15 6
23px-Flag_of_Nebraska.svg.png
Nebraska 63,942
16 6
23px-Flag_of_Colorado.svg.png
Colorado 63,882
17 6
23px-Flag_of_New_Hampshire.svg.png
New Hampshire 63,067
18 6
22px-Flag_of_Virginia.svg.png
Virginia 62,563


Alaska
North Dakota
Wyoming
Nebraska

Those are the red states that are above the average for this country. All have less than 2 million people. All other red states are below average in GDP per capita.
 
If I might make a point, we've got a pretty good thing going on here in the US of A. I think it's awesome how different people and places are across this great land. I've done extensive traveling in the US and I've yet to travel anywhere else (yet) that is like it, and I've been to a lot of different countries (although only on vacations and not staying for extended periods of time to live or anything like that). Walking away or giving up now would be kind of like going 13-0, winning a Natty, then taking on a job that produces a ~.409 win percentage. Yeah, I'll stick with greatness and the USA until I'm dead.

That's what we are saying. It's so great that we can stand it and must tear it down.
 
Here's a list of states that are above the national average.


1 2
23px-Flag_of_New_York.svg.png
New York 85,746
2 2
23px-Flag_of_Massachusetts.svg.png
Massachusetts 82,480
3 3
23px-Flag_of_Delaware.svg.png
Delaware 77,253
4 3
20px-Flag_of_Connecticut.svg.png
Connecticut 76,342
5 4
23px-Flag_of_California.svg.png
California 74,205
6 4
23px-Flag_of_Washington.svg.png
Washington 74,182
7 4
21px-Flag_of_Alaska.svg.png
Alaska 73,205
8 4
21px-Flag_of_North_Dakota.svg.png
North Dakota 72,597
9 6
22px-Flag_of_Wyoming.svg.png
Wyoming 69,900
10 6
23px-Flag_of_New_Jersey.svg.png
New Jersey 69,378
11 6
23px-Flag_of_Maryland.svg.png
Maryland 68,573
12 6
23px-Flag_of_Illinois.svg.png
Illinois 67,268
13 6
23px-Flag_of_Minnesota.svg.png
Minnesota 64,675
14 6
23px-Flag_of_Hawaii.svg.png
Hawaii 64,096
15 6
23px-Flag_of_Nebraska.svg.png
Nebraska 63,942
16 6
23px-Flag_of_Colorado.svg.png
Colorado 63,882
17 6
23px-Flag_of_New_Hampshire.svg.png
New Hampshire 63,067
18 6
22px-Flag_of_Virginia.svg.png
Virginia 62,563


Alaska
North Dakota
Wyoming
Nebraska

Those are the red states that are above the average for this country. All have less than 2 million people. All other red states are below average in GDP per capita.
Why aren't there any southern states with high non-white populations on that list
 
if trump wins reelection, i think there will be massive violent riots
If he wins? What happens if he loses? He already setting the stage for massive protests and unsupported proclamations of fraud.
 
Incorrect. Louisiana hasn't been blue since Katrina. NC has become like FL where it teeters back and forth.
NC is still purple, but used to be red. that is why I said it is trending blue. In Louisiana, much of state is red, but Nawlins itself is still pretty blue. John Edwards is the current Gov of La. he is a Democrat. The legislature is currently Red.
 
Incorrect. Louisiana hasn't been blue since Katrina. NC has become like FL where it teeters back and forth.
will be interesting to see how Florida, Georgia, and Texas trend. All 3 could stay 'red' but if they don't wonder if they head the way of Colorado which was once a swing state to now being solid Blue.
 
So why is it that a state can't secede? Let's say Hawaii wants to do it, would the US invade? Treat them like a foreign country and establish positive relations? Technically its not unconstitutional, so they could do it and not have that be a declaration of war or treasonous.
 
So why is it that a state can't secede? Let's say Hawaii wants to do it, would the US invade? Treat them like a foreign country and establish positive relations? Technically its not unconstitutional, so they could do it and not have that be a declaration of war or treasonous.
their Flag does look like it could be an Australian State
 
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So why is it that a state can't secede? Let's say Hawaii wants to do it, would the US invade? Treat them like a foreign country and establish positive relations? Technically its not unconstitutional, so they could do it and not have that be a declaration of war or treasonous.
The Supreme Court decided after the Civil War that states did not have the right to secede. Recently, Justice Scalia has expressed the same opinion.
 
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