Combine Winner for UCF

[KnightVision82]

Looks like the only one who solidified his status for scouts was Geathers with his vertical jump, bench
presses and the analysis attached. Definitely can see him going at end of 3rd or 4th round.
5th round from my perspective would be a disappointment considering the competition
mentioned in this article.

The rest of the crew will have to wait until pro day. Late round draft for Glenn (due to speed/what was he thinking
he's not Josh Robinson), free agent signings for others.

AND who knows if Perriman will get leg back in shape. The problem he will face is not working out too hard
and re-injuring his hammie. Therefore, his draft position will suffer unless he's healed and runs a 4.4 on pro day.
I hope he doesn't have Holman throwing him passes on pro day (sorry). They will say he has bad hands.

I hope J.J. can get a free agent contract with JAX or someone who needs a punt returner. Question is
how strong will he be in the summer.

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/02/2015_nfl_combine_5_safeties_working_out_on_sunday.html

 

[Marvelouz]

Yea.. I wonder if Glenn is having second thoughts. I am not concerned about Perriman that much. I think people see the NFL talent there.

As far as Holman, I don't think he's allowed to throw to the guys actually working out. I believe it was Lee from USC that had some random QB throw to him and it hurt him as they had zero chemistry. If Holman was allowed, it'd be a good think. And c'mon these scouts aren't dumb.. they would now if its on the QB or WR..

 

[Renegade2007]

This is clear that Glenn is a great boundary corner for a cover 2 scheme, and not much else. Maybe some cover 3 schemes, definitely not man coverage material without safety help over the top.

In all, a team with a cover 2 scheme will take him. The tape doesn't lie on how good he is in that kind of coverage. He should have stayed though, for sure.

 

[Boston.Knight]

Jacoby might go UDFA. He is not in the top of the pack in any of the measurables. I'm not sure what got into that boy's head with his decision. We could see him surprise to the downside, with Speedy Hall surprising to the upside. I hope it doesn't happen, but Jacoby UDFA with Speedy Hall round 5-7 is a real possibility.

 

[TOKNIGHT]

Josina Anderson did post a tweet abouth Geathers this morning
knocking his fluidity but whatever

 

[UCF 10 Georgia 6]

Originally posted by Boston.Knight:
Jacoby might go UDFA. He is not in the top of the pack in any of the measurables. I'm not sure what got into that boy's head with his decision. We could see him surprise to the downside, with Speedy Hall surprising to the upside. I hope it doesn't happen, but Jacoby UDFA with Speedy Hall round 5-7 is a real possibility.

There is a 0% chance Jacoby Glenn goes undrafted. Am I mad that Jacoby Glenn left early? Sure thing. With another year of experience and production he was well on his way to being a first or second round pick. Some people read way to much into this combine crap. Yes the 40 time matters a little bit, but who cares if Jacoby gets the job done in the actual game itself.

This post was edited on 2/23 11:27 PM by UCF 10 Georgia 6

 

[bluechip12]

Originally posted by UCF 10 Georgia 6:

Originally posted by Boston.Knight:
Jacoby might go UDFA. He is not in the top of the pack in any of the measurables. I'm not sure what got into that boy's head with his decision. We could see him surprise to the downside, with Speedy Hall surprising to the upside. I hope it doesn't happen, but Jacoby UDFA with Speedy Hall round 5-7 is a real possibility.

There is a 0% chance Jacoby Glenn goes undrafted. Am I mad that Jacoby Glenn left early? Sure thing. With another year of experience and production he was well on his way to being a first or second round pick. Some people read way to much into this combine crap. Yes the 40 time matters a little bit, but who cares if Jacoby gets the job done in the actual game itself.

This post was edited on 2/23 11:27 PM by UCF 10 Georgia 6

He might get drafted...but there'd also be a 0% chance he'd go in the first or second round next year while putting up those numbers. He was top 15 in like 1 of the 6 measurables.

 

[UCF 10 Georgia 6]

Originally posted by bluechip12:

Originally posted by UCF 10 Georgia 6:

Originally posted by Boston.Knight:
Jacoby might go UDFA. He is not in the top of the pack in any of the measurables. I'm not sure what got into that boy's head with his decision. We could see him surprise to the downside, with Speedy Hall surprising to the upside. I hope it doesn't happen, but Jacoby UDFA with Speedy Hall round 5-7 is a real possibility.

There is a 0% chance Jacoby Glenn goes undrafted. Am I mad that Jacoby Glenn left early? Sure thing. With another year of experience and production he was well on his way to being a first or second round pick. Some people read way to much into this combine crap. Yes the 40 time matters a little bit, but who cares if Jacoby gets the job done in the actual game itself.

This post was edited on 2/23 11:27 PM by UCF 10 Georgia 6

He might get drafted...but there'd also be a 0% chance he'd go in the first or second round next year while putting up those numbers. He was top 15 in like 1 of the 6 measurables.

How quickly everyone forgets Jacoby Glenn was a 2nd team All-American last year. This comes after his Freshman All-American season the year before. The same guy that held his own against Devante Parker, Baylor receivers, Allen Robinson, Deontay Greenberry, etc. Measurables are great and all, but if I'm an owner I want a guy who is productive when it actually matters..game situations.

 

[Mikesi]

Appreciate you looking at the glass half full, but looking at just the facts. A 4.64 40 for a smallish, not fully developed corner coming out of a G5 school is considered to be a very low draft pick. College accolades mean very little to scouts. Look at Kevin Smith, Michael Sam, etc. Also Alan Robinson played outstanding against UCF and Justin Hardy outplayed him. Both guys are going to be decent pro WRs who run in the 4.5 range and none of the Baylor receivers turned out to be any good. The jury is still out on Greenberry as well. Should have stayed another year IMO. Don't these guys know how fast they are before they declare?

Wouldn't be surprised at all if Hall makes an NFL roster and works his way up the ranks like Aiken. He is just too much of a good player on gameday.
He's versitile, doesn't drop a lot of passes and is a beast after the catch. Wonder why his 40 was so slow? It doesn't add up with game film and his other measurables which were excellent. Maybe he's not fully recovered from injury or he's gained too much weight and bulked up too much too quickly

If JJ fully recovers, I expect similar, however I don't think either will get drafted or in the 7th round at best.



This post was edited on 2/24 3:26 AM by Mikesi

 

[pittstoner74]

I doubt Hall gets drafted now...too many good receivers that run fast as it is...but a few teams will be trying t get him as UDFA...his injuries could have played a role in slow time...but injuries aren't helping him in and of themselves.

 

[KnightVision82]

I love and appreciate all our guys.

Just was trying to look at it from a business decision perspective.

Someone wrote that Hall was injured and that would make sense for his slower time.
He looked very good in Senior bowl.

I still believe we have between 3 to 5 players that make an NFL roster by end of summer camp.
(Note: That includes practice squad.)

Just don't expect as much hype about UCF players like last year.

Still a chance for Perriman and Hall to have a great Pro Day and prove me wrong!

 

[bignow]

Glenn hurt himself declaring without getting graded. A lot of scouts will call O'Leary to get his take on players and they know he won't sugar coat it. Hall/Worton/Reese will all get a stamp of approval along with Geathers and Plummer (although undersized)
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[muckdawg24]

Their only hope is having a knockout pro day cause they screwed the pooch. I really didn't see Glenn being that slow. That's safety speed. He's not big either so he isn't going to be able to jam the bigger WRs in the NFL.

Hall was disappointing at the combine but I think a good pro day will disprove any doubts for scouts.

Still upset JJ popped his ACL. I really would think he would have a chance in late late rounds or UDFA.

 

[swift996]

Glenn is probably a 3-5 round guy. Combine wasn't good, but they look at tape and a lot of it. Kid has amazing instincts and ball skills. Downside going in was his size/strength (but Asante was similar). People who think he will go as a UDFA are crazy. He might not be among the elite of CBs out there, but he is still going to have a legit shot at getting PT on a squad somewhere. There are some solid CBs at the top, but I wouldn't call it a loaded class this year.

 

[Bassfanatic]

Swift, are you sure Glenn will be a 3-5 rd guy? this is a bizarre statement, actually....I bet not one NFL scout/coach has this guy rated as a 3-5th rd prospect... I would bet just about anything, the only chance he has getting drafted is 7th rd..more likely, Undrafted FA.

 

[UCF 10 Georgia 6]

Originally posted by hemightbejeremy:
I'd say there is almost no chance Glenn goes undrafted. He was 2nd team all American as a sophomore which means only 2 CBs considered better in the NCAA last year. He was conference DPOY. NFL sources have pegged him as the best player on the UCF team. He is coming out of school 2 years early so some of his measurables aren't what they will be 2 years from now with training. CBS Sports projects him in round 2-3. Walker Football projects him in round 1-3. I actually can't find a draft site that has him projected outside of the top 3 rounds.

^^^Agree 100 percent.

 

[Mikesi]

I have to be a little blunt here guys. There is no way that anyone is going to draft Glenn in the 3rd or 4th round. He ran a 4.64 and that would put him as one of if not the slowest corner in the NFL. He would get smoked by any of the countless receivers who run a 4.3 or 4.4. Many them are 200-220lbs. Could you see him lining up against say Megatron or Desean Jackson?

This post was edited on 2/24 7:06 PM by Mikesi

 

[Mikesi]

Originally posted by Bassfanatic:

Swift, are you sure Glenn will be a 3-5 rd guy? this is a bizarre statement, actually....I bet not one NFL scout/coach has this guy rated as a 3-5th rd prospect... I would bet just about anything, the only chance he has getting drafted is 7th rd..more likely, Undrafted FA.

This. ^ ^ ^

Common sense. Draft websites? College awards? Come on, really?


This post was edited on 2/24 7:53 PM by Mikesi

 

[bignow]

How many WRs do you think truly run a 4.3 or 4.4?
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[Mikesi]

I think the question should be how many WRs in the NFL are skilled enough, strong enough, and fast enough to run by and outmuscle a somewhat slightly built rookie corner who runs a 4.64. Anyone running a low 4.5 is going to get a step on him. He isn't playing safety. This is the NFL. Josh Robinson ran a low 4.3, and held his own against AJ Green and he's been burned his fair share of times in Minnesota. Best of luck to Glenn, but he needed at least another year.

 

[Bassfanatic]

I played D1 corner. I have a idea of what I'm talking about. I watched the combine when the DB's ran, and did the workout drills. He doesn't have fluid hips to turn and run. He didn't do very good on the drills( also, his 34 inch vert is not very good at all...I never went to combine and I had a 36 vert, without any training that these guys do now). Its a lot more than being a workout warrior.... but the scouts do value the 40, vert, and DB drills for corners.

His only shot, as someone pointed out, is to go to a zone team that plays a lot of cover 2, etc... I also have spoken to scouts and I know what they look for... I would be very surprised to see him go in the 5th. BUT, if he kills the 40 at the Pro day(high 4.4s-low 4.5), then yes, he has a lot better chance of getting drafted higher(than 7th or UDFA). While him being 6"0 helps him a lot....his weight is a big issue. He better at least gain 10lbs.

I guess we will see. Mods(if their are any here), should pin this thread. As it seems like me and Mikesi are the only ones who think that it will be difficult for him..

Its all in fun and doesn't matter. I'm just a draft nerd anyway, now that I'm a old fart.

 

[pittstoner74]

Re: Combine Winner for UCF[/URL]Mikesi posted on 2/24/2015...
I have to be a little blunt here guys. There is no way that anyone is going to draft Glenn in the 3rd or 4th round. He ran a 4.64 and that would put him as one of if not the slowest corner in the NFL. He would get smoked by any of the countless receivers who run a 4.3 or 4.4. Many them are 200-220lbs. Could you see him lining up against say Megatron or Desean Jackson?
This post was edited on 2/24 7:06 PM by Mikesi

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He wont be covering those guys anyway...at this point he would be a nickel or dime back and be covering the other teams 3rd or 4th receiver...not the other teams 1, without help anyway.

 

[ChrisKnight06]

What's incredibly annoying ITT is people sealing his fate based on a 40. Game tape rules all. A major benefit of running at the combine is getting to remedy a slow time later at your pro day. Stop the madness. One of Mike Mayock's top CBs Kevin White ran a 4.63 and top LBs Paul Dawson ran a 4.93! So what does Mike say he's going to do? Go back and watch more film on them! You're trying to confirm your evaluations. One of the worst things you can do is tear up your draft boards unless we're talking huge red flags. If he turns around and runs a 4.5 at his pro day wtf is the discussion gonna be then?
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[Mikesi]

Mike Mayock is not an NFL scout, executive or coach. He's an entertainer. He knew almost nothing about several of the UCF players when interviewed and had Dawson as his top linebacker and after running a 4.93, now he has to "reevaluate him." What a joke.

By the way.., pro day 40 times often are dismissed, because sometimes a college's facility has a fast track and faster times are almost always ran vs. the combine. It's best to compare players on an even playing field when they run at the combine, because you're eliminating all the variables.
Kevin Smith ran a 4.47 at his UCF pro day and slower at the combine. Did Kevin Smith play like a 4.47 guy in the NFL? No way. That's about what Ray Rice and Matt Forte ran.

Also.., you can't compare the importance of a linebackers 40 vs a cornerback. It's important for a linebacker to have good speed, but it's apples and oranges. However, I can assure you that Dawson's draft stock took a major hit.

Also, Glenn's game film is against mostly G5 schools, so I would expect a top NFL prospect to dominate that competition and be fast as well. I think that he struggled somewhat vs ECUs Justin Hardy this year. That's a good measuring stick for people watching game film vs a decent WR prospect.

 

[Bassfanatic]

Mikesi, I like most of everything you point out, and you're more knowledgeable about football and a "rational" UCF fan than most here...but I have to disagree with you on Mayock. He played at BC(Boston College), and got drafted in the 10th round and played safety..

.I would say that is pretty good, and he is pretty respected by coaches and scouts around the league(he does get a little too technical when breaking down players, with his "cute scout terms".."edgy", "quick twitch", etc) .. Like you said, he isn't a scout(btw, he could be if he wanted), and he is a "TV guy now"...BUT, he knows what he is talking about, more than many other so-called "draft experts". He also covers Notre Dame football on NBC.... I like him and Chris Spellman more than any other college football type "expert" that covers the sport. Both are legit. Another one that I like(but can't stand his "radio voice" is Greg McElroy, very good at explaining football to the causal CF fan).