Democrat goes all in on child eugenics, “kill them now or kill them later”
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I bet "retarded and deformed" US citizens who live wonderful, healthy lives would have something to say about this evil shithead declaring that abortion exists specifically to rid the world of these people from ever having to be seen in public.
This kind of stupid, clap-trap spin-doctoring makes me want to puke.
To bring a bit of reality into this discussion, first off we're talking about 1% of all abortions being performed after 21 weeks.
Second, it shouldn't take a trained psychologist to figure out that the mere possibility of a late term abortion is an incredibly traumatic decision. If the woman didn't want to continue her pregnancy she would have had an abortion a long time ago.
It shouldn't come as any surprise that this difficult decision has come about because of dangers to the mother's own health or when the mother is informed by her doctor that the fetus she is carrying has little-to-no chance of surviving outside the womb.
This decision should be between the woman, her doctor, and her loved ones. We need the government to stick its nose in this situation like we need a hole in the head.
To bring a bit of reality into this discussion, first off we're talking about 1% of all abortions being performed after 21 weeks.
Second, it shouldn't take a trained psychologist to figure out that the mere possibility of a late term abortion is an incredibly traumatic decision. If the woman didn't want to continue her pregnancy she would have had an abortion a long time ago.
It shouldn't come as any surprise that this difficult decision has come about because of dangers to the mother's own health or when the mother is informed by her doctor that the fetus she is carrying has little-to-no chance of surviving outside the womb.
This decision should be between the woman, her doctor, and her loved ones. We need the government to stick its nose in this situation like we need a hole in the head.
Sure, it’s 1.3% of all abortions, but that number is equivalent to the number of murders committed with firearms over a similar period. Just to give it a little perspective.
As for late term abortions being necessary to save the mother, I’m with the camp that calls that garbage. If a late term baby is threatening the health of the mother, doctors deliver the baby naturally or through C-section, thus saving both. There’s no reason to kill the baby. https://thefederalist.com/2019/02/26/fact-late-term-abortions-never-medically-necessary/
I'm certainly no expert on late term abortions -- and quite frankly, I don't want to be one. But the very notion that a late term abortion would ever be considered for anything other than serious, doctor-advised medical reasons seems awfully far-fetched to me.
Color me shocked you didn't even attempt to address the horrific comments from this guy. God damn dude you're really sad.
Late term abortions to save the mother is a lie, a myth pushed by zealot abortion supporters. Credible gynecologists who have testified before Congress on this have already said that complications in the 3rd trimester are always solved by having the baby, not aborting it.
And what this monster Democrat was saying didn't even necessarily apply to late term abortions. He was making the case, full stop, that abortions are fine since these ugly unwanted kids, retards, and "deformed" people are so heinous to society that we need to kill them in the womb before we kill them anyways.
It's disgusting. What's more disgusting is watching a "Christian" like Shuckster try to defend this. It's literally indefensible.
Yeah, spin-doctor the outrageous proposition that women involved in late term abortions are "wanting to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy" and then question my Christianity. It's disgusting alright.
There's always some psychos in the world but nearly all women forced with this difficult decision have some very serious medical reasons for doing so involving either themselves or the fetus they are carrying. To pretend otherwise is being disingenuous.
What's disingenuous is trying to take this monster's comments and narrow it to some debate about late term abortion. Disgusting, really.
Tell me, what part of Christianity or the Bible says that we are all God's children, except for retarded citizens, those who are disformed, or those who are simply unwanted? Since those are all excellent grounds apparently to "kill them now so we don't have to kill them later".
I mean, holy shit. You've gone off the rails in defending this evil.
Read up on them. Among the reasons even at the pro-late term abortion sites are more non-medical than medical reasons. They added the part about saving the mother’s life so that they can spin abortion as a “women’s health” issue. Which it is not.
Trigger Warning: This is intentionally provocative in order to illustrate how we rationalize our decisions when we first devalue human life. I'm not accusing anyone of supporting the mistreatment of anyone but when it comes issues involving the treatment of human life, which side do you want to be on?
Shuckster provides one example of how abortion is rationalized:
It's not a stretch to imagine a similar rationalization was used by pro-slavery advocates in the early 19th Century:
"This kind of stupid, clap-trap spin-doctoring makes me want to puke.
To bring a bit of reality into this discussion, first off we're talking about 1% of all (Africans) being (enslaved).
Second, it shouldn't take a trained psychologist to figure out that the mere possibility of (owning slaves) is an incredibly (difficult) decision. If the (plantation owner) didn't want to (go bankrupt) he would have (sold the property) a long time ago.
It shouldn't come as any surprise that this difficult decision has come about because of dangers to the (owner's) wealth or when the (owner) is informed by his (creditor) that the (slave) he is owning has little-to-no chance of surviving (in the) outside world.
This decision should be between the (owner), his creditor, and his loved ones. We need the government to stick its nose in this situation like we need a hole in the head."
The point is that the decision becomes much less complex when we stop looking at it like an either/or proposition and affirm the value and dignity of all human life; both the mother and the child. Let's do everything we can as a decent society to care of both.
Shuckster provides one example of how abortion is rationalized:
It's not a stretch to imagine a similar rationalization was used by pro-slavery advocates in the early 19th Century:
"This kind of stupid, clap-trap spin-doctoring makes me want to puke.
To bring a bit of reality into this discussion, first off we're talking about 1% of all (Africans) being (enslaved).
Second, it shouldn't take a trained psychologist to figure out that the mere possibility of (owning slaves) is an incredibly (difficult) decision. If the (plantation owner) didn't want to (go bankrupt) he would have (sold the property) a long time ago.
It shouldn't come as any surprise that this difficult decision has come about because of dangers to the (owner's) wealth or when the (owner) is informed by his (creditor) that the (slave) he is owning has little-to-no chance of surviving (in the) outside world.
This decision should be between the (owner), his creditor, and his loved ones. We need the government to stick its nose in this situation like we need a hole in the head."
The point is that the decision becomes much less complex when we stop looking at it like an either/or proposition and affirm the value and dignity of all human life; both the mother and the child. Let's do everything we can as a decent society to care of both.
No matter what your stance on abortion is if you can’t condemn what this guy says you are a pos . That’s not an insult . That’s a fact
Imagine being a parent of a mentally challenged son or daughter and having to listen to this evil monster declare that abortions are good since they afford the opportunity to kill off “retarded people” before anyone has to deal with them?
This is evil. In a sick way though, this guy is really just finally admitting what ultimately lies behind the desire for abortion
Yep . I was adopted and haven’t been to the electric chair just yet . You can’t even dream up a scenario to defend this clown . Unless you are a liberal I guess
I have to agree with the OP ... and he should have just gone full Margaret Sanger.
He's trying to start a conversation with a really bad, and totally irrelevant, avenue. I understand the point he was trying to make, but he was acting like abortion was the only solution ... let alone kids that the parents wanted have all sorts of the same issues! Abortion has nothing to do with it.
He pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with Modern Progressive Attitudes in one set of statements that have nothing to do with each other. Parenting is the problem. Parenting is always the problem. If he wanted to make an even bigger statement, again, he should have gone full Marget Sanger ...
Sterilization, at an early age, is the solution to HIS problem, not THE problem, but HIS problem. Unfortunately, it sucks if you are responsible later and life and want kids. Some are reversible, but not always ideal. And then there's the 'sterilizing the African-American future' PC problem too.
The problem is irresponsible adults. That's really it. Kids start innocent, and then learn ... the wrong things.
He's trying to start a conversation with a really bad, and totally irrelevant, avenue. I understand the point he was trying to make, but he was acting like abortion was the only solution ... let alone kids that the parents wanted have all sorts of the same issues! Abortion has nothing to do with it.
He pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with Modern Progressive Attitudes in one set of statements that have nothing to do with each other. Parenting is the problem. Parenting is always the problem. If he wanted to make an even bigger statement, again, he should have gone full Marget Sanger ...
Sterilization, at an early age, is the solution to HIS problem, not THE problem, but HIS problem. Unfortunately, it sucks if you are responsible later and life and want kids. Some are reversible, but not always ideal. And then there's the 'sterilizing the African-American future' PC problem too.
The problem is irresponsible adults. That's really it. Kids start innocent, and then learn ... the wrong things.
Jesus man, listen to what the guy said. It had nothing to do with retarded or deformed kids, rape, incest, or the health of the mother. He said either we kill them now or kill them later in the electric chair. He's talking about kids who are born healthy. We don't put disabled people to death in the electric chair. He couldnt have been any more explicit about the fact that he considers some babies undesirable and that all they will become are criminals. This isnt even eugenics, this is someone who has no problem with death and extermination.
Imagine being the parent of a person who actually did grow up to be a criminal and be basically told that you should have killed him earlier.
And yet, he's about 1 step from Sanger. I understand what he meant. But he's like making it 'there are only 2 sides to this.'
Again, why don't we just go down the road of, "African-American men and women should be sterilized temporarily, until they are responsible enough to have kids." Seriously, that's what scares me, because he was one step from that.
This is worse than Sanger in the absolute most horrific way possible. At least she advocated sterilization so that killing wasn't necessary. This guy is totally fine with it, and the sooner the better.
I think it's debatable. I defend Sanger ... a lot ... because that was 100 years ago. I understood her point. I understand his point as well.
The problem is that we're trying to blanket label an entire set of our fellow Americans, and argue government has the solution. That really bothers me, and it's just wrong.
I’m assuming that even Shuckster has realized that defending this evil clown is a bad move since he’s vacated the thread after sadly going to bat for this cretin
I haven't listened to it and don't intend to. I assumed from the OP that the guy in the video was a wacko job.
My sole contribution to this discussion was to make the point that late term abortions come about due to a very serious medical issue. For people who have no earthly idea what they're talking about to get on their moral high horses is disgusting, particularly when it hits close to home.
Sometime in the late 90s when I was working in Virginia, a woman in my office had a high-risk pregnancy and, due to complications involving the way the placenta was embedded in the uterus, the fetus was aborted at the recommendation of her doctors. She and her husband were devastated.
I know it's hard to believe, but I don't post here 24/7. In fact, I won't be on here much from tomorrow until the middle of next week.
Oh wow how surprising- you launched in to defend someone simply because he’s a Democrat, even when now admitting you didn’t actually read or listen to any of the vile evil that this idiot spewed.
im a fan of ben shapiro and he tries to differentiate liberals form leftist/progressives. in the end i dont think conservatives and liberals are that far apart. they often share alot of the same values, but have a different opinions on how to tackle issues. there are reasonable people on both sides.
i try to draw the line on the far left/progressive movement. they are trying to shift the party hard left at the moment. while i dont think they are the majority, they certainly are the most vocal and seem to have a lot of support from the media and hollywood types. these are the people you are referring to.
Then seriously GTFO and don't bother contributing to the thread.
By definition those people aren't progressives. I don't know what term to use for them but they aren't trying to get where they want to go slowly anymore. Hillary is a progressive. The modern democrat party is aggressive.
In a way it's great that he was finally honest about something - that he lives in blissful ignorance and acts accordingly.
