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Disney World and dynamic pricing, AKA, Ain't Nobody Got Time To Stand In This LIne

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/disney-parks-consider-higher-prices-during-busy-times-1443960001

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“We have to look at ways to spread out our attendance throughout the year so we can accommodate demand and avoid bursting at the seams,” said Walt Disney Parks and Resorts Chairman Bob Chapek.

Continuing to raise overall prices, as Disney has done well above the inflation rate for several years, wouldn’t fully solve the problem, said Mr. Chapek, as he is also seeking to raise attendance during slower times of the year. In addition, for Disney’s brand, keeping park vacations within the reach of middle-class families is important.

Maintaining the magic at its theme parks is becoming increasingly challenging for Disney amid crowds drawn by new attractions, an improving economy and the popularity of franchises like “Frozen” and “Star Wars.” Both Walt Disney World in Orlando, Fla., and Disneyland in Anaheim, Calif., have posted record attendance for each of the last three fiscal years, as well as for the spring quarter that ended in June.

Gruelingly long lines and gate closures, which Disney parks sometimes have to implement on the busiest days, lead to unhappy visitors, exactly what the operators of the “Happiest Place on Earth” want to avoid.

Disney has been in the midst of a multibillion-dollar expansion of its domestic parks over the past several years, including the new Cars Land in Anaheim’s California Adventure, a revamp of Fantasy Land at Orlando’s Magic Kingdom, and “Avatar” and “Frozen” attractions under construction in Orlando. Those help to expand the parks’ capacity, Mr. Chapek noted, but spur even greater increases in demand, ultimately making the crowding problem worse.

“It’s a problem that is going to grow over time as we expand the size of our parks,” he said. Next year, Disney breaks ground in Orlando and Anaheim on new “Star Wars”-themed areas.

Another tool Disney has been using to manage crowds at its parks is technology, particularly the new My Magic Plus wristbands that let Disney World visitors reserve times for certain rides and meals before their arrival. That has increased capacity at the Magic Kingdom by 5,000 people, said Disney Parks & Resorts finance chief Spencer Neumann.
 
You can bet that you won't get single day pricing lower than it is today using a demand curve.
 
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Heard they just raised their annual pass holder prices as well. Too much money to go to the parks anymore.
 
Why is this dumb? Financially speaking it's a good idea for an enterprise like Disney parks that is experiencing sky high demand.
Sorry, I meant to say "fukcing dumb".

I've been to Disney enough times to look at that price and feel like the overall experience is very overpriced by those standards. But I'm a cynical asshole, so that has a lot to do with my opinion.
 
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Why is this dumb? Financially speaking it's a good idea for an enterprise like Disney parks that is experiencing sky high demand.
In isolation, I agree, charge more and capitalize on the high demand for the peak weeks.
However, while I'm not a finance person, I think there's more to it than simple supply and demand.

There are a lot of people who are restricted to certain weeks they can visit (spring break, winter break, etc). To them, "dynamic pricing" just means extremely high prices. Possibly to the point that they just drop interest completely, which could affect merchandise sales outside of the Orlando/Anaheim. The results could be way more damaging than the family going and being disappointed by crowds and long lines.
 
This would be a game-changer as far as the theme parks are concerned. Historically, Disney raises their prices and then Universal and Sea World follow suit - unintended collusion almost. It would be interesting to see if US and SW followed on with this pricing model. If so, then I wouldn't expect to see that great a hit to the overall attendance at Disney. If US and SW didn't follow, then - based on what SublimeKnight pointed out - you could see attendance at Disney drop as people elect to go to the "more affordable during their specific travel period" parks.

I'll tell you this though - I'm not a Disney fanboy and have no allegiance or disallegiance to any of the various parks - but having gone to Disney, Universal, Sea World and Busch Gardens many, many times over the years of my 8-yo and 6-yo, there is absolutely, positively, no comparison when it comes to Disney vs. the others. The service, the cleanliness, the upkeep, the friendliness, the attitude of the workers, etc., etc., etc. is so far superior when it comes to Disney that it's almost not fair to lump them in the same category. We've stayed on-property at Disney and Universal and the hotels at Universal are almost laughable compared to Disney's resorts. If pricing at US and SW followed Disney, then there would be no way in hell that we would choose not to visit Disney. But, that said, like many on this board we live close enough that we would likely not be impacted by demand-driven pricing because we can pick up and head over there anytime we want.
 
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Sorry, I meant to say "fukcing dumb".

I've been to Disney enough times to look at that price and feel like the overall experience is very overpriced by those standards. But I'm a cynical asshole, so that has a lot to do with my opinion.

Ok, but millions of people don't feel it's overpriced and continue spending huge sums of money to attend these parks, hotels, and restaurants. Disney is seeing record demand even as they increase prices. It's only smart to encourage people to attend at other times of the year at a discount so they can free up space to maximize their peak times for more people willing to pay top dollar.
 
Ok, but millions of people don't feel it's overpriced and continue spending huge sums of money to attend these parks, hotels, and restaurants. Disney is seeing record demand even as they increase prices. It's only smart to encourage people to attend at other times of the year at a discount so they can free up space to maximize their peak times for more people willing to pay top dollar.
True, but I'm a cynical asshole and everything sucks, so fukc it.
 
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The annual tickets are going up to $1000 per person. Before my kid was born 2.5 years ago, my wife and season passes and it was half that per person. We did the payment plan and it felt like nothing, as much as we used them. It was like $34 a month for annual passes per person, including blackout dates. We had lots of friends with the same thing and would do the Food n Wine and having relatives from up north, it helped out a lot. We thought about getting some again, now that the kid is nearing 3, but nope. Now they're going away with the payment plan and want it all up front. That's way too much and there's way we could go as much as before, anyhow.

Once Star Wars Land opens, that's going to bring people in from all over the world like crazy. Not to mention Pixar Land, Avatar Land and eventually a Marvel based area with some of the other newer attractions on their way, once Universal ends that contract. The demand will keep coming and people will pay to go. However, the FL annual pass holders will be affected by this and I expect that to drop significantly. But that will lower the crowds on weekends and peak times, while they are constructing much of this stuff. I don't think we'll actually buy tickets to Disney again until our kid is at least 5 or older and Star Wars land and the rest are all built.
 
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The annual tickets are going up to $1000 per person. Before my kid was born 2.5 years ago, my wife and season passes and it was half that per person. We did the payment plan and it felt like nothing, as much as we used them. It was like $34 a month for annual passes per person, including blackout dates. We had lots of friends with the same thing and would do the Food n Wine and having relatives from up north, it helped out a lot. We thought about getting some again, now that the kid is nearing 3, but nope. Now they're going away with the payment plan and want it all up front. That's way too much and there's way we could go as much as before, anyhow.

Once Star Wars Land opens, that's going to bring people in from all over the world like crazy. Not to mention Pixar Land, Avatar Land and eventually a Marvel based area with some of the other newer attractions on their way, once Universal ends that contract. The demand will keep coming and people will pay to go. However, the FL annual pass holders will be affected by this and I expect that to drop significantly. But that will lower the crowds on weekends and peak times, while they are constructing much of this stuff. I don't think we'll actually buy tickets to Disney again until our kid is at least 5 or older and Star Wars land and the rest are all built.
Isn't the $1,000 just for Disneyland? (at this point in time anyway)
 
The annual tickets are going up to $1000 per person. Before my kid was born 2.5 years ago, my wife and season passes and it was half that per person. We did the payment plan and it felt like nothing, as much as we used them. It was like $34 a month for annual passes per person, including blackout dates. We had lots of friends with the same thing and would do the Food n Wine and having relatives from up north, it helped out a lot. We thought about getting some again, now that the kid is nearing 3, but nope. Now they're going away with the payment plan and want it all up front. That's way too much and there's way we could go as much as before, anyhow.

Once Star Wars Land opens, that's going to bring people in from all over the world like crazy. Not to mention Pixar Land, Avatar Land and eventually a Marvel based area with some of the other newer attractions on their way, once Universal ends that contract. The demand will keep coming and people will pay to go. However, the FL annual pass holders will be affected by this and I expect that to drop significantly. But that will lower the crowds on weekends and peak times, while they are constructing much of this stuff. I don't think we'll actually buy tickets to Disney again until our kid is at least 5 or older and Star Wars land and the rest are all built.

Much of your first paragraph is incorrect. The most expensive pass that includes water parks and golf is $779 per person. Your pass with blackouts is only $414 and now includes parking. Monthly payments are also available.

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/florida-residents/passholder-program/

What hurts us is that some of our favorite times to go are right after Christmas and New Years Eve. We've spent the last 3 NYE watching fireworks at Disney. Now, if we want to continue that we have to pay almost $700 per person compared to just under $500 or so last year. Probably still worth it for us since like you we have a 2 year old so we'll probably continue until she's 3.
 
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Make it rain for the mouse muh fuccers!

Not a Disney fan boy, but it's an incredible enterprise that prints money & they can, do & should raise prices all they want.

I can be a cynical asshole too, but people vote w their wallets & they lud dem some Disney.
 
You can bet that you won't get single day pricing lower than it is today using a demand curve.
^^^ Truth

At the same time, if they can still get people under the increased prices, especially if the net profit balances out against reduced attendance, they will.
 
Make it rain for the mouse muh fuccers!
Not a Disney fan boy, but it's an incredible enterprise that prints money & they can, do & should raise prices all they want.
I can be a cynical asshole too, but people vote w their wallets & they lud dem some Disney.
quoted for MFin' truth.
Absolutely. I tire of people running to gov't on such things. They need to vote with their dollars. That's how capitalism works.

Kinda like how people complain about Microsoft and other companies too. Heck, even Nader said it best long ago ... "The government should tell Microsoft what to do as a customer, not as a regulator."

Consumers have more of a direct impact, faster, than any way government can work.

Now if you want to talk about Disney lobbying for perpetual copyrights, that's another story. They are lobbying government to grant them endless monopolies, which only the government can grant. ;)
 
Much of your first paragraph is incorrect. The most expensive pass that includes water parks and golf is $779 per person. Your pass with blackouts is only $414 and now includes parking. Monthly payments are also available.

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/florida-residents/passholder-program/

What hurts us is that some of our favorite times to go are right after Christmas and New Years Eve. We've spent the last 3 NYE watching fireworks at Disney. Now, if we want to continue that we have to pay almost $700 per person compared to just under $500 or so last year. Probably still worth it for us since like you we have a 2 year old so we'll probably continue until she's 3.

Actually, the pass I spoke about included blackout dates, meaning I could go anytime of the year and it covered parking. We didn't have the water parks included, but it wasn't that far of a price difference monthly. We just wouldn't use the water parks that much.
 
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