We have had them seemingly every month in my year and a half on the job. And that doesn't count the actual fire drills we have, as well.
Do active shooter drills happen where you work?
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Most of the people in my office carry so no it won't ever be an issue.
We don't.
Haven't seen any policy saying I can or can't carry on property, so all I gots is my little knife... it'll be run hide fight (below) SHTF my family will appreciate the millions in life insurance, I'll be a hero & best of all you all won't be subjected to any more of my posts.
However since murder is illegal no one will do it.
Haven't seen any policy saying I can or can't carry on property, so all I gots is my little knife... it'll be run hide fight (below) SHTF my family will appreciate the millions in life insurance, I'll be a hero & best of all you all won't be subjected to any more of my posts.
However since murder is illegal no one will do it.
I used to think it was overkill but we had a gunman situation 6 months after I started working there ( I left a few hours before this happened ).
http://www.wesh.com/news/gunman-arrested-in-orlando-ikea-store/28167826
http://www.wesh.com/news/gunman-arrested-in-orlando-ikea-store/28167826
Same here. There are only 5 of us in my office and 3 of us carry, myself included.
We had them about once every six months at my last office job I'm told. I only went to one. They cancelled them after that.Some public safety/Emergency Operations type guy, an ex cop came in and showed a film similar to the one above and started talking about an escape plan and rally point and we should put on these safety vests in a closet and everything. Total BS. It was basically, if you don't see the person shooting and you see a way out, run. If not, hide and wait for the cops. Well, I'm an Okie by god, we invented active shooters and going postal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_post_office_shooting
We've thought this stuff through, if you aren't going to let us have our guns at work. So I start talking about the fact that the building is built with a blind spot the way they have set up the cubicles for the lower level workers, so he if tries to enfilade fire down the hallway, he can be approached from behind without being seen prior to that, how everyone's office is littered with improvised weapons, etc. I talk about grabbing the coffee to throw on the guy, how my letter opener I keep in my desk is intentionally sharp as a dagger, how you can turn over tables and chairs in the hallway to make obstacles, cause him to trip, cause him to stop moving and shooting and look down, etc. which can give you an edge to escape, how the nearest fire extinguisher can be used to disorient the shooter if you are found, while someone hiding opposite you can incapacitate the guy, how I don't smoke, but I keep a lighter and spray can disinfectant in my desk drawer to make a great flame throwers if I am cornered and how you can go in the bathroom with your feet up on the toilet and fry the guy if he opens the stall to check if anyone is there, etc. That stack of old telephone books under my desk with the duct tape is there for a reason -- improvised bullet proof vest. How if he starts to struggle with someone, you should take off your belt and strangle the eff out of the guy, rather than try to help hold him down. You give me three minutes and the key to the supply closet and I'll be ready to firebomb, bring the whole sucker down if necessary etc. How you can set up a three man tiger team opposite a locked door. How unless he has highly specialized military training, he will acquire the first target he sees, so everyone should hide opposite the way the door opens. One person should reveal themselves in front of the door and move out of the way quickly, Captain Miller in Saving Private Ryan style, while two men hide on each opposite door facing. The least experienced of the two should disable the shooter below the waist, hopefully with a kick to the back of the knee. The other guy should go high and secure the weapon, etc. The first person to come out of hiding and get to him should choke him out with belt, shirt, or bare hands. The fifth person, or first woman, should try to seal the breathing passages of the guy if there is a ground struggle.
People's eyes got as big a silver dollars. They do these BS "trainings" but don't tell you what to do specifically to survive, especially when it comes improvising weapons. It is a horrible use of time. Get out if you can. If you can't, don't do anything to put you or someone else in danger. Prepare mentally for a confrontation if you are hiding or cornered. Know what weapons can be gathered quickly and actually spend a little time training with them. Knives, spray can fire, etc.
We've thought this stuff through, if you aren't going to let us have our guns at work. So I start talking about the fact that the building is built with a blind spot the way they have set up the cubicles for the lower level workers, so he if tries to enfilade fire down the hallway, he can be approached from behind without being seen prior to that, how everyone's office is littered with improvised weapons, etc. I talk about grabbing the coffee to throw on the guy, how my letter opener I keep in my desk is intentionally sharp as a dagger, how you can turn over tables and chairs in the hallway to make obstacles, cause him to trip, cause him to stop moving and shooting and look down, etc. which can give you an edge to escape, how the nearest fire extinguisher can be used to disorient the shooter if you are found, while someone hiding opposite you can incapacitate the guy, how I don't smoke, but I keep a lighter and spray can disinfectant in my desk drawer to make a great flame throwers if I am cornered and how you can go in the bathroom with your feet up on the toilet and fry the guy if he opens the stall to check if anyone is there, etc. That stack of old telephone books under my desk with the duct tape is there for a reason -- improvised bullet proof vest. How if he starts to struggle with someone, you should take off your belt and strangle the eff out of the guy, rather than try to help hold him down. You give me three minutes and the key to the supply closet and I'll be ready to firebomb, bring the whole sucker down if necessary etc. How you can set up a three man tiger team opposite a locked door. How unless he has highly specialized military training, he will acquire the first target he sees, so everyone should hide opposite the way the door opens. One person should reveal themselves in front of the door and move out of the way quickly, Captain Miller in Saving Private Ryan style, while two men hide on each opposite door facing. The least experienced of the two should disable the shooter below the waist, hopefully with a kick to the back of the knee. The other guy should go high and secure the weapon, etc. The first person to come out of hiding and get to him should choke him out with belt, shirt, or bare hands. The fifth person, or first woman, should try to seal the breathing passages of the guy if there is a ground struggle.
People's eyes got as big a silver dollars. They do these BS "trainings" but don't tell you what to do specifically to survive, especially when it comes improvising weapons. It is a horrible use of time. Get out if you can. If you can't, don't do anything to put you or someone else in danger. Prepare mentally for a confrontation if you are hiding or cornered. Know what weapons can be gathered quickly and actually spend a little time training with them. Knives, spray can fire, etc.
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I work with training solutions used every day by police around the world. They practice active shooter training routinely but they're the first to admit that by the time they actually respond, it's typically too late. This is exactly why mass murderers pick gun free zones to attack. They want carnage and they want attention; the worst case scenario for them is to encounter others carrying a firearm.
To cops credit though, they have changed their tactics over the past five or six years. They used to circle the building and wait for SWAT. Less of a chance of cops getting killed, but they have to sit there and listen to the guy execute people for twenty minutes when chances are good the person isn't there to negotiate/take hostages and most threats don't require an insertion team. Now they drive straight there and go in. Brave SOBs.
My school has done a few trainings for teachers on defense tactics, and what to do if a situation arised.
Yes they have. Doesn't change the fact that the best tactics can't stop a crime they aren't present for.
And that's exactly the reason why fire was the #1 killer of kids in schools in the first half of the 20th century. It was people thinking fire shouldn't be an issue, and blaming the schools.
Police have been calling for this, like the fire departments prior. They have long said general violence fire drills are required.
Furthermore, in the PoliceOne survey done after Sandy Hook, which included 10% of all verified law enforcement in the US, 98.5% of them blamed "Gun Free Zones" for increasing violence, especially the number dead. 2/3rds of them said it should not be uniformed police or security, but certified citizens who no one knows has access to firearms.
Despite the media non-sense, even misquotes, most school districts are now following the police and NRA backed PoliceOne recommendations. Because if criminal don't know who has access, criminal don't know who to take out first. That's why shooters are getting challenged in 90 seconds, and taking their own life (if they are not shot first), instead of running around 10-20 minutes unchallenged.
It's too bad we didn't adopt this back in the '80s, but instead, politicians listened to the anti-Glock morons who took over the Brady Foundation, and have nothing to do with their original charter. The Brady Foundation used to have the support of Police.
