Does the B12 decision change...

[SCKnight]

Your commitment to UCF football?

The pressure to perform on-field for the team?

The ability to for UCF to recruit players for Frost's system?

The stress level of the posters on this board?

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

Actually viewed it as a positive. We are one year off that 0-12 season. I was afraid it was going BYU and Cincinnati or Houston. We would have been in a watered down AAC with uconn likely bolting for the Big East and indy.

Give this another 3-4 years and we are likely the #1 candidate. Aren't we going to have like 80k students in the next 10 years?

 

[SCKnight]

Obviously the no expansion decision was the second best outcome UCF could get. In some ways it also takes a big weight off our shoulders to not have worry that every move and every game was being judged for Big12 potential. UCF only has to continue to build its brand.

Seems to me that UCF football just a bit more fun. At least for a little while

 

[jlcolvin]

From my point of view, which could be shared by other B12 hopeful teams, I feel the immediate pressure is off for performance. However, there feels like there could be pressure to play well and prove that we do belong.

 

[80'sKnight]

Nothing could change commitment to UCF not even 0-12.

Now there's nothing to fall back on, we have to produce on the field to get any increased $ amount. Mega-millions won't come just for fielding a team. Now we have to be something worth watching and create the new technology to take advantage of any dollar we can get.

No question about it. Being P5 would have given us instant credibility with 4 and maybe 5 star players. Now, Frost has to mine the 2-3 star and undiscovered star players and hope he can turn them into football players. Yes you can look at the 2 star UCF players in the NFL, but they weren't on the field at UCF at the same time some we were up and down. Imagine fielding a complete team, like the P5 does.

The stress level goes down, or at least should, because now there is no immediate need to be perfect. We just need all the good teams in the AAC to succeed, to give Oresco the needed proof we should be a P6. But again, that's going to take time. So now, we have time to slowly get better, and frankly Frost makes it look like it's going to take less time that I thought it would.

The biggest problem is: We have another Fiesta Bowl style year, and before the big bowl game we are already looking for a new HC.

 

[Poolside Knight]

The ability to for UCF to recruit players for Frost's system?

not really. His goal is recruiting speed and he shouldn't have much of an issue doing that regardless of what conference UCF is in

 

[Stetson_1883]

Aren't we going to have like 80k students in the next 10 years?

And we'll still be averaging 30k butts in the seat.

To answer OP's questions...

1. No way. I don't mind the AAC. Great basketball, football getting better and rivalry with USF.
2. This is a silly question. The player's are still going to play to their fullest and this is the last thing on their minds when they step on the field.
3. Frost will always find players to play/fit his system. Based on our lack of P5 status, most of them just won't be 5 star guys.
4. Yep. Neurotics run rampant on this board.

 

[UCFhonors]

Your commitment to UCF football?

The pressure to perform on-field for the team?

The ability to for UCF to recruit players for Frost's system?

The stress level of the posters on this board?

Your commitment to UCF football?

No

The pressure to perform on-field for the team?

Yes. I feel more people are watching my on-the-field perform which has added some pressure.

The ability to for UCF to recruit players for Frost's system?

Yes, but by a very minor almost insignificant and measurable amount.

The stress level of the posters on this board?

Lowered it bc people are coming around to see that I've been right all along. We don't want in the messed up Big 12 - the more you know about that conference the more you don't want to be in it. And our focus should be getting the AAC status back as a BCS / P6. The AAC is a conference we can dominate. Win in the Big 12 and if your name isn't Texas or Oklahoma, then eventually what happened to SMU and Baylor will happen to you.

 

[Van Gogh's Starry Knight]

My biggest concern is Frost being successful then he bolts. Would really dislike to be a stepping stone program... I don't think that's good for a program (players, fans, etc) and it is one of the positives, I believe, that came out of GOL's long ass contract.

 

[SiberianKnightmare]

If the AAC keeps going in the direction it is going, it may be the 5th P5 conference when Texas and Oklahoma bolt the B12.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

1)Eff UCF**

4) I don't think it will change the stress level. Personally, I'm on the side that says the conference needs us more than we need the conference. Of course, we need Big 12 money, but successful college football programs in Florida prior to us did it there way. They were also lucky to be in a rich recruiting state which we still are. Now with a coach that has recruits excited, I still think elements of the old way can work. Ask TCU, Boise State and Utah and our advantage over them is with TCU they compete with the NFL, we don't. With Boise and Utah, we have recruiting advantages and have a larger TV market. We just aren't doing the old fashion things that Miami and FSU did and thats win like they did.

 

[firm_bizzle]

I like the AAC. I just wish that it didn't include Tulsa and Tulame. I trade them for Colorado State and Air Force.

 

[Square Knight]

Win in the Big 12 and if your name isn't Texas or Oklahoma, then eventually what happened to SMU and Baylor will happen to you

Baylor did themselves in by putting football above the law and ethics. It's a moot point. Just gotta make the AAC more "Powerful." A good start would be getting the turds in Houston and Cincinnati to stop publicly whoring themselves out to any P5 that will listen. You did notice that the press releases those two schools put out did not even mention the American, but did talk about still wanting to get into a "power conference."

Having conference schools act like that does not help. Hope Aresco has a little talk with those Presidents.

 

[SCKnight]

Baylor did themselves in by putting football above the law and ethics. It's a moot point. Just gotta make the AAC more "Powerful." A good start would be getting the turds in Houston and Cincinnati to stop publicly whoring themselves out to any P5 that will listen. You did notice that the press releases those two schools put out did not even mention the American, but did talk about still wanting to get into a "power conference."

Having conference schools act like that does not help. Hope Aresco has a little talk with those Presidents.

Well this might be part of the overall reduction is stress level and allow teams to continue to develop their rivalries and histories now that there is no anticipation that on or two may be gone next season.

 

[Knight_Light]

My biggest concern is Frost being successful then he bolts. Would really dislike to be a stepping stone program... I don't think that's good for a program (players, fans, etc) and it is one of the positives, I believe, that came out of GOL's long ass contract.

So you would rather Frost not be successful (nor the team) so he stays?

If Frost is successful at UCF...then odds are, the TEAM is successful too, which should always be Priority #1.

UCF will never be able to pay top P5 $$$ to a head coach...so win as many games as you can so the UCF HC Job is always 'wanted'...and you land another great young HC...and you move on.

 

[Van Gogh's Starry Knight]

So you would rather Frost not be successful (nor the team) so he stays?

If Frost is successful at UCF...then odds are, the TEAM is successful too, which should always be Priority #1.

UCF will never be able to pay top P5 $$$ to a head coach...so win as many games as you can so the UCF HC Job is always 'wanted'...and you land another great young HC...and you move on.

Nice try picking one quote out of my entire statement. Of course I want the team to be successful, that's a disenginous assumption. If you see what at write at the end, you could have concluded instead that I'd be in favor of a long contract which makes it hard for a coach to leave ( and perhaps easier to let them go, based on performance). Please read again.

 

[Knight_Light]

Nice try picking one quote out of my entire statement. Of course I want the team to be successful, that's a disenginous assumption. If you see what at write at the end, you could have concluded instead that I'd be in favor of a long contract which makes it hard for a coach to leave ( and perhaps easier to let them go, based on performance). Please read again.

Seriously?

Memphis HC Fuentes had recently signed a long-term deal with the Tigers and he jumps to Va Tech.

UCF could sign Frost to a 20 yr deal...but his agent would never sign it unless he always had an out when he could easily leave.

Even large buyouts won't stop a P5 program that wants you...as Colorado State's deal with their former HC had a $7 Million buyout...yet Florida's current (and former CSU Coach) McElwain worked out a deal that included cash plus a road game at UF to complete his buyout.

Some coaches have even moved on less than 12 months on the job (Graham jumped from Pitt to Arizona State...Kiffin jumped from Tennessee to USC...Petrino jumped from WKU to Louisville, etc...).

Yes, if Frost is very successful at UCF (means the team is successful too), sure...it would be great if he was the coach at UCF for the next 20 years...but the odds of that happening is extremely slim...so just enjoy the "now"...and if/when coaches move on...you hope the program is in a great position to hire another top candidate.

 

[jetsaholic]

1. Your commitment to UCF football?

2. The pressure to perform on-field for the team?

3. The ability to for UCF to recruit players for Frost's system?

4. The stress level of the posters on this board?

1. Child, please.

2. Team has to perform their best regardless of what conference they're in.

3. We live in an era, thank Science, that kids wanna play for a coach, not a school. Frost will be fine.

4. What stress?

 

[C-MontCityKnight2]

So you would rather Frost not be successful (nor the team) so he stays?

If Frost is successful at UCF...then odds are, the TEAM is successful too, which should always be Priority #1.

UCF will never be able to pay top P5 $$$ to a head coach...so win as many games as you can so the UCF HC Job is always 'wanted'...and you land another great young HC...and you move on.

We would if fartknockers like you would acknowledge what a failure GOL was and fired him long ago. We would be in a P5 conference if we continued to build on the momentum instead of ing it away.

 

[G-Knight]

If our football team had a respectable record last year, do you think the B-12 would have taken us?

2013 Fiesta Bowl Win (conference champion)
2014 Conference Champion
2015 (Hypothetical) East Division Champion

Would we have been overlooked at this point with all of our other upsides?

 

[1 of these Knights]

We would if fartknockers like you would acknowledge what a failure GOL was and fired him long ago. We would be in a P5 conference if we continued to build on the momentum instead of ing it away.

Really? Now which P5 conference would that be?

 

[1 of these Knights]

If our football team had a respectable record last year, do you think the B-12 would have taken us?

2013 Fiesta Bowl Win (conference champion)
2014 Conference Champion
2015 (Hypothetical) East Division Champion

Would we have been overlooked at this point with all of our other upsides?

Once ESPN and Fox essentially said we will pay you not to expand it would not have mattered if we won 3 Fiesta Bowls. The truth was that several programs never has any intention on allowing expansion. It was all a power play, and we we got played.

 

[meee2]

2013 Fiesta Bowl Win (conference champion)

Most unbiased people know that was one-off, a fluke, the case where the blind squirrel got the nut and not an indication of the program's place among others. Actually, that was Central Florida's peak for decades.