Does UCF fit with the Big 12?

[22knights_era]

Obviously UCF isn't in any position to turn down a P5 position, but do you guys think the Big 12 is ideal or is it just because that's the only one thinking about expansion? I've been thinking lately that it the ACC expanded, it would be a better fit for UCF. Thoughts?

 

[Knight_Light]

UCF's Conf Wish List:

1) NFL's AFC East
2) SEC
3) ACC
4) Any other P5 Conf

It would only take a millisecond for UCF to say yes if the Knights are ever invited to join the Pac 12, let alone Big 12 Conf.

Yes, a more regional/closer team conf like the ACC (with 2 members in FLA) would be preferred vs a conf with 9 teams located in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Iowa (let alone West Virginia too).

UCF will say yes who ever asks first...and then for the decades to follow...continue to improve their program so that it might move to even a better conf in the future.

Improvement/growth never stops.

 

[goodknightfl]

Obviously UCF isn't in any position to turn down a P5 position, but do you guys think the Big 12 is ideal or is it just because that's the only one thinking about expansion? I've been thinking lately that it the ACC expanded, it would be a better fit for UCF. Thoughts?

The ACC has 0 interest nor need for UCF. Would UCF like it sure, but it aint happenin. Same for SEC. As of today we have one and only one shot at the big time and that is the B12.

 

[EngAlum98]

If you've been reading what is going on with ESPN finances, ACC GOR, and future ACC payouts, you will see that the ACC is in big trouble. Hence the reason the Big12 is reaching out to some of the schools there. Don't be surprised if FSU, Clemson, Miami, and one other bolt. Would you want to be in the ACC then? It pretty much becomes a basketball conference at that point.

 

[dbmullet]

If you've been reading what is going on with ESPN finances, ACC GOR, and future ACC payouts, you will see that the ACC is in big trouble. Hence the reason the Big12 is reaching out to some of the schools there. Don't be surprised if FSU, Clemson, Miami, and one other bolt. Would you want to be in the ACC then? It pretty much becomes a basketball conference at that point.

True, but what was the Big East? A BB conference with a ticket to the BCS. ACC without the teams you mentioned sounds not unfamiliar. Would we jump at a BB conference with P5$? Well, I'd argue we've done something similar already.
Plus, I have no problem aligning (i.e. attempting to get ourselves on-par academically) with the likes of Duke, UNC, UVA, et al... it's a long way off, but ya gotta start somewherez. Fight the good fight and #ChargeOn

btw: I realized I glossed over your mention of future ACC payouts, so me arguing for P5$ doesn't mean what we'd like it to mean, but I'm going to bet it would still be a step up for us.

 

[MechaKnight]

Do you guys think winning the Peach Bowl is ideal or would you rather win a national championship?

 

[22knights_era]

On a different note, aside from all of the conference $ to be had, think about the potential matchups in either the big 12 or ACC. Both would have some fun ones... Obviously the ACC is a longshot/not happening in any way, but it just feels like more of a natural fit for UCF than a conference based in the middle of the country, like a previous poster said

 

[KnightVision82]

Remember the original fit for the Big East with the West Division being proposed including San Diego St. and Boise St. The Big 12 is better than that.

Personally, I think that the 4 teams that were in the Big East before it became the AAC should get into the P5/Big 12 next. They were: Cincinnati, UCONN, USF and UCF.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Remember the original fit for the Big East with the West Division being proposed including San Diego St. and Boise St. The Big 12 is better than that.

Personally, I think that the 4 teams that were in the Big East before it became the AAC should get into the P5/Big 12 next. They were: Cincinnati, UCONN, USF and UCF.

The Big east should have expanded with UCF, Memphis, Houston and ECU and formed a championship game.

 

[SCKnight]

I think UCF with a Frost style offense would fit in just fine in the B12. I think most everyone would rather a more regional conference but that does not seem to be an option.

I think even if FSU, Clemson and Miami were to leave the ACC, it would still be a better fit for UCF even if it were a lessor conference than the B12.

 

[SCKnight]

If you've been reading what is going on with ESPN finances, ACC GOR, and future ACC payouts, you will see that the ACC is in big trouble. Hence the reason the Big12 is reaching out to some of the schools there. Don't be surprised if FSU, Clemson, Miami, and one other bolt. Would you want to be in the ACC then? It pretty much becomes a basketball conference at that point.

I don't know a thing about this please explain.

 

[firm_bizzle]

I think UCF with a Frost style offense would fit in just fine in the B12. I think most everyone would rather a more regional conference but that does not seem to be an option.

I think even if FSU, Clemson and Miami were to leave the ACC, it would still be a better fit for UCF even if it were a lessor conference than the B12.

I think we eventually end up in a conference with the city schools like Louisville and Pittsburgh.

 

[EngAlum98]

I don't know a thing about this please explain.

Here is what I've heard (and some of what I've read). The ACC GOR deal pretty much depends on an ACC network (I haven't read this, but it makes sense as no media network, no "substantial" media rights to forfeit). ESPN has pushed out launch of the ACC network. I believe there is a legal battle now as the network revenue won't be there per contract... for who knows how long. On top of that, ESPN has been hemorrhaging money and has been cutting costs and looking to cut more. There is word that the only reason the ACC got the money they initially got was to help pull teams away from the Big East to dissolve them. Now, because of the contractual requirements of a network, it sounds like the GOR may have to be redone and ESPN isn't going to want to offer as much money if and when the ACC network does come. And with GOR legality in question and less money on the table (at least until the network gets up), some teams may have better options. I probably have a few things twisted, but that is the gist of it.

 

[SCKnight]

Here is what I've heard (and some of what I've read). The ACC GOR deal pretty much depends on an ACC network (I haven't read this, but it makes sense as no media network, no "substantial" media rights to forfeit). ESPN has pushed out launch of the ACC network. I believe there is a legal battle now as the network revenue won't be there per contract... for who knows how long. On top of that, ESPN has been hemorrhaging money and has been cutting costs and looking to cut more. There is word that the only reason the ACC got the money they initially got was to help pull teams away from the Big East to dissolve them. Now, because of the contractual requirements of a network, it sounds like the GOR may have to be redone and ESPN isn't going to want to offer as much money if and when the ACC network does come. And with GOR legality in question and less money on the table (at least until the network gets up), some teams may have better options. I probably have a few things twisted, but that is the gist of it.

Seems to me that if this is an issue with the ACC it will be the same when it comes time for negotiating a potential B12 network. Now if you could get Miami, FSU and Clemson to enter a conference with Texas and Oklahoma, there is some serious weight there. However, it sounds like TV revenues will drop across the board in the next negotiations unless there are some 16 team super conferences.

 

[EngAlum98]

Seems to me that if this is an issue with the ACC it will be the same when it comes time for negotiating a potential B12 network. Now if you could get Miami, FSU and Clemson to enter a conference with Texas and Oklahoma, there is some serious weight there. However, it sounds like TV revenues will drop across the board in the next negotiations unless there are some 16 team super conferences.

That is my thought. Consolidation of power conferences will cost less to the TV networks through less infrastructure and more than likely, less schools.