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Don't see any thread about Trump's lawyer having his home and office raided

But to Wayne, it only ACTUALLY matters if it's > $150k
there were billions of dollars pumped into the previous election cycle. sorry if $150k didnt seem to move the needle for me.

ive read up on it a little since then. it depends on where the money came from and yes that can be a crime depending. so yes investigate away.

im still waiting on an investigation into hillary clinton.
 
total B.S!!! 4 warrants??? A little extreme if you ask me!!! Where are the raids on the Clinton's????? Manhattan elites !!! Just look at the names involved.

This is NOT how America is supposed to operate.

If I were Trump, I'd ask Jeff Sessions to arrest Mueller for judicial abuse, and if Sessions was too wobbly and indecisive to do that, I'd fire him and appoint someone who would.
I wonder who is in power that hasn't started the investigations on Clinton.
 
Yes, using campaign donations to pay her off would be a crime. Paying her off using any other money is not and would be no big deal.
Using any money that isn't Trump's money is a campaign donation and would be a crime. Lawyer said he took an equity loan on his house to pay the $130K.

If they find out the money came from overseas there may be more charges
 
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Paying someone hush money is not a crime. Cheating on wives is not a crime. Covering up cheating with hush money is not a crime. When did I ever say committing a crime wasn't a big deal and/or doesn't matter.

You are arguing against something that I never said which is becoming all too common for the liberals around here. You have to constantly fight against that big meanie boogey man you've all created in your TDS minds.
I gotta back @Bob the Knight here.

I'm personally getting tired of people not seeing the detail. Bob is trying to get people to stop equating things, and focusing on what's important ... like actually violating finance laws, not the rest of the crap.

It's good this is finally coming out. There is the actual charge.

But I think we're all sick of the Progressive-sided US Mainstream Media (MSM) in immediately jumping to the conclusion that something illegal was done before there is any proof, just because someone cheated on their wives and has downplayed it.

All while they ignore others who do the same thing too.

I want all politicians and their lawyers held accountable, not just the ones the MSM thinks should be charged. That's what really gets old.
 
I gotta back @Bob the Knight here.

I'm personally getting tired of people not seeing the detail. Bob is trying to get people to stop equating things, and focusing on what's important ... like actually violating finance laws, not the rest of the crap.

It's good this is finally coming out. There is the actual charge.

But I think we're all sick of the Progressive-sided US Mainstream Media (MSM) in immediately jumping to the conclusion that something illegal was done before there is any proof, just because someone cheated on their wives and has downplayed it.

All while they ignore others who do the same thing too.

I want all politicians and their lawyers held accountable, not just the ones the MSM thinks should be charged. That's what really gets old.


Who said anything illegal had been done before those details came out? I'm curious as to where you think this line of thinking ran? There were murmurs of this legality question that came from her lawyer, but I haven't seen this mad rush, as you claim, to equating cheating to a violation of any kind of law.

Now that details have come out that there has been a warrant issued and subsequent raid of offices and hotel rooms looking for financial documents, people have openly begun discussing how something illegal might have occurred. But honestly your trope of (((MSM))) is getting really tired. Whenever a celeb or major politician cheats on their significant other, the media runs the stories because they are salacious. They don't ever equate cheating on a spouse with violation of a law unless there is an actual reason to do so. Remember how much the media covered the mayor of Nashville? that played up pretty well given her relatively low-on-the-totem-pole status as a politician. And she IS under investigation, as has been covered.

But it's a tiring and old scapegoat to say (((MSM))) or the (((SOROS-led MSM))) ONLY goes after conservative/republican politicians and tries to convict them in the court of public opinion!
 
But honestly your trope of (((MSM))) is getting really tired.
Do I sound any different than Bernie Sanders? Seriously. Sanders has also been lambasting the Progressives and DNC on these points, among others too.

Whenever a celeb or major politician cheats on their significant other, the media runs the stories because they are salacious.
Yes. But in the case of Trump, accusations were flying about him paying hush money and other things, and how that would be illegal. Many analysts in the MSM never retracted those statements.

I've been in and out of a lot of airports, especially DC and elsewhere, where CNN and MSBNC are common. It's amazing how many analysts are allowed on TV that spew such non-sense.

And yes, Fox News has plenty of analysts that do the same as well. But at some point, we're getting 90% of it one way, especially as Fox's ratings continue to slip.

They don't ever equate cheating on a spouse with violation of a law unless there is an actual reason to do so.
Sorry, no, in the case of Trump, they very much did. They went there as soon as the Daniels story broke.

Remember how much the media covered the mayor of Nashville? that played up pretty well given her relatively low-on-the-totem-pole status as a politician. And she IS under investigation, as has been covered.
In the south, yes. Not very well elsewhere.

But it's a tiring and old scapegoat to say (((MSM))) or the (((SOROS-led MSM))) ONLY goes after conservative/republican politicians and tries to convict them in the court of public opinion!
I don't go around saying "Soros," but there are plenty of people I know who go on and on about the "Koch brothers."

Most of us Libertarians had to endure the BS that Gary Johnson was a Koch plant, which was not only an ad run by a HRC/DNC-controlled, $50M SuperPAC (10x the Libertarian budget) in 10 states where HRC and the DNC feared they no one would reach 270 votes, but the celebrities who the MSM paraded out "for free." Why? Because in addition to the 270 fear, 70% of Americans wanted a 3rd party in the debates. It worked.

Sorry, but the MSM is completely at the hands of the DNC, who also controlled the anti-Johnson SuperPAC. Reason.COM gave us the "play-by-play" some 3 weeks before it happened. It was the first time we Libertarians were exposed to the DNC's 'control' as 2016 was the first time weren't puling 3x as many Republicans and Democrats (which is why the DNC liked us, like the Russians, before the 2016 election), as we had dealt with the GOP in years past (but never to that level, our first exposure to the DNC's "control" of the MSM).

Much of the press industry has been sitting on these dirty realities ...

A) A lot is outsourced, especially at CNN, but also NBC. So they cannot control various entities that side with other parties, who violate their own neutrality standards.

B) You have to be a registered Democratic party member or it's career suicide, especially in places like DC. That's why most Fox anchors are registered Democratic party too.
 
So no collusion, no obstruction of justice, now they're going after porn star hush money. Lol. The Democrats talking points are really losing their bite. TRUMP CHEATS ON HIS WIVES!!!! just doesn't matter at this point and if that is all the left can grasp on that's pretty weak considering it's been less than a year and a half and you all are already recycling 20-30 year old news.
Yeah, that's all he's ever done wrong, just cheating on his family and wives. That's it. It's not like he's spewed out 2000 misleading or non true statements (lies). It's not like he has something to hide on his tax returns? It's not like he has a tiny vocabulary that appeals to his voters. An most of all, he never says or does anything just plain stupid.
 
Yeah, that's all he's ever done wrong, just cheating on his family and wives. That's it. It's not like he's spewed out 2000 misleading or non true statements (lies). It's not like he has something to hide on his tax returns? It's not like he has a tiny vocabulary that appeals to his voters. An most of all, he never says or does anything just plain stupid.

You gotta know your target audience here. Bob literally is on the record as saying "I don't believe Trump lies, he has just exaggerated".

That is the level of stupidity we are trying to debate with.
 
You wanna know something that instantly makes me want to ignore you? The use of silly acronyms and words like "media sheep". Talk like a damn adult. All it does is make it sound like you're vomiting sh!t you saw online.
 
You wanna know something that instantly makes me want to ignore you? The use of silly acronyms and words like "media sheep". Talk like a damn adult. All it does is make it sound like you're vomiting sh!t you saw online.
this
 
No one can use CNN, NBC, MSNBC, DNC, PAC, DC, GOP any more. They must all be typed out in full.
 
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fify

Edit: sorry BQ

Fixed it for you.
 
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See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I really am not sure anymore if he's just pretending to be this dumb. Even if he is, it's a really stupid debate tactic.
I lol’d... I mean laughed out loud*
 
I was just reading the raid has focused at least partially on the Access Hollywood tape. Interesting.
 
You wanna know something that instantly makes me want to ignore you? The use of silly acronyms and words like "media sheep". Talk like a damn adult. All it does is make it sound like you're vomiting sh!t you saw online.
At least I admit when I'm wrong. I've called you out, repeatedly, on something that clearly showed you're using US media phrases that have no basis in fact.

It's amazing how much media sheepism goes on, left and right, in ignorance of history and science.

I just got on a Conservative about Planned Parenthood and Sanger too. Media sheepism is going to be the end of us as an educated, free republic.
 
At least I admit when I'm wrong. I've called you out, repeatedly, on something that clearly showed you're using US media phrases that have no basis in fact.

It's amazing how much media sheepism goes on, left and right, in ignorance of history and science.

I just got on a Conservative about Planned Parenthood and Sanger too. Media sheepism is going to be the end of us as an educated, free republic.
I’m actually a libertarian. I just don’t feel like I have to tell everyone that at the beginning of my posts. I hope that comes through in the collection of what I post but I guess you never know.
 
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At least I admit when I'm wrong. I've called you out, repeatedly, on something that clearly showed you're using US media phrases that have no basis in fact.

It's amazing how much media sheepism goes on, left and right, in ignorance of history and science.

I just got on a Conservative about Planned Parenthood and Sanger too. Media sheepism is going to be the end of us as an educated, free republic.
Calling people sheep is just as much a concocted buzzword.
 
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At least I admit when I'm wrong. I've called you out, repeatedly, on something that clearly showed you're using US media phrases that have no basis in fact.

It's amazing how much media sheepism goes on, left and right, in ignorance of history and science.

I just got on a Conservative about Planned Parenthood and Sanger too. Media sheepism is going to be the end of us as an educated, free republic.

Seriously?

I'm not sure if that was directed towards me, SirDingy or both but please inform me of what I've said that are "US Media Phrases". Maybe I actually just have the same thought process?

We're talking politics...people have views that are similar to each other.

What you won't see me using is MSLM, the word "sheep" (that one really makes me want to ignore you), Faux News, silly things like that. It literally makes you sound like a toddler calling someone a name.
 
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I like how no one has bothered to raise the point that this entire "raid" is quite possibly wholly unconstitutional and violates the client/attorney privilege in multiple ways.

While the media is downright giddy about this, they would have had an absolute shitfit if the FBI had gone into HRC's attorney's house during her email investigation, and started breaking attorney/client privilege while the case was ongoing.

The former commission of the FEC came out yesterday and said that this entire talking point that a payment to the porn star is an "in kind campaign contribution" is utter nonsense and a total fabrication used to simply take what they want.
 
I like how no one has bothered to raise the point that this entire "raid" is quite possibly wholly unconstitutional and violates the client/attorney privilege in multiple ways.

While the media is downright giddy about this, they would have had an absolute shitfit if the FBI had gone into HRC's attorney's house during her email investigation, and started breaking attorney/client privilege while the case was ongoing.

The former commission of the FEC came out yesterday and said that this entire talking point that a payment to the porn star is an "in kind campaign contribution" is utter nonsense and a total fabrication used to simply take what they want.
John Edwards was charged with a crime for the same thing, trying to cover something up outside of the campaign's money.
 
John Edwards was charged with a crime for the same thing, trying to cover something up outside of the campaign's money.

No, it isn't. John Edwards personally took $2.1M straight out of his campaign's bank account to funnel money to his mistress. There were no legal agreements, no disclosures, nothing. Just him funneling her money.

Cohen made the Daniels payment out of his own account and it was part of a legally binding agreement that is sanctioned under US law.

In fact, what you suggested isn't even what the FBI is apparently fishing for. They're trying to make the absurd claim that Cohen's payment is an "in kind campaign contribution", which is not even relevant to what Edwards was doing, i.e. stealing straight out of his campaign's account.
 
I like how no one has bothered to raise the point that this entire "raid" is quite possibly wholly unconstitutional and violates the client/attorney privilege in multiple ways.

While the media is downright giddy about this, they would have had an absolute shitfit if the FBI had gone into HRC's attorney's house during her email investigation, and started breaking attorney/client privilege while the case was ongoing.

The former commission of the FEC came out yesterday and said that this entire talking point that a payment to the porn star is an "in kind campaign contribution" is utter nonsense and a total fabrication used to simply take what they want.

Ah there it is yet again.

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im still pretty mad that trump promised to go after hillary and he still has yet to do so.

that said she just got paid $7k less than snooki to speak at rutgers the other day. that has to be killing her inside.
 
No, it isn't. John Edwards personally took $2.1M straight out of his campaign's bank account to funnel money to his mistress. There were no legal agreements, no disclosures, nothing. Just him funneling her money.

Cohen made the Daniels payment out of his own account and it was part of a legally binding agreement that is sanctioned under US law.

In fact, what you suggested isn't even what the FBI is apparently fishing for. They're trying to make the absurd claim that Cohen's payment is an "in kind campaign contribution", which is not even relevant to what Edwards was doing, i.e. stealing straight out of his campaign's account.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/06/04/us/politics/04edwards.html

Just read this. We don't have to get all back and forth about it. The charges are that he used the money that was never in his campaign fund to make coverup. He got 2 donations from wealthy supporters and used that as payment. The cover-up was never a charge. He faced 5 counts of campaign finance fraud for accepting these "donations" that were much larger than the 2300 allowed.
 
im still pretty mad that trump promised to go after hillary and he still has yet to do so.
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Me too, and I have started threads saying so that in the past. She 100% broke the law and should be in jail.

The difference between me and a lot of people on here is I have the capability to say both sides of the political spectrum should be investigated, and not blindly defend any one political "team" while pathetically attempting to shift the focus on the other side.
 
Me too, and I have started threads saying so that in the past. She 100% broke the law and should be in jail.

The difference between me and a lot of people on here is I have the capability to say both sides of the political spectrum should be investigated, and not blindly defend any one political "team" while pathetically attempting to shift the focus on the other side.

Thanks BS.
 
Ah there it is yet again.

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And being honest, it could’ve been the Obama card, or the Bush card, or if social media existed back then I’m sure the Reagan card. Although in this case it was more of a side point than using it in place of the main point, which was about constitutionality.

Also, during the server investigation, the FBI did claim that attorney-client privilege was inviolable in similar circumstances (attorneys who may have done non-attorney things for Clinton) to justify not raiding people, so linking Hillary into this discussion is actually relevant as there is a marked difference in the FBI’s actions and justifications in the two situations.
 
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/06/04/us/politics/04edwards.html

Just read this. We don't have to get all back and forth about it. The charges are that he used the money that was never in his campaign fund to make coverup. He got 2 donations from wealthy supporters and used that as payment. The cover-up was never a charge. He faced 5 counts of campaign finance fraud for accepting these "donations" that were much larger than the 2300 allowed.

Ok. Did you read my comment that the former FEC chairman came out just yesterday stating that these new "charges" are total nonsense?

Also, I think Robert Mueller was investigating "Russia interference". Why was he bothering himself with an extramarital affair matter that has nothing to do with Russia to begin with?
 
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