EPA Seeks to Prohibit Conversion of Vehicles Into Racecars

[UCFBS]

Can any EPA "apologists" explain this to me? I mean, I'm at the point where I am having great "difficulty" defending anything the EPA does on the small, innovative, environmental-conscious entrepreneur front.

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As an engineer ... I have to ask ...

How well did outlawing NACA--later, NASA--from using military rocket designs work for our space program? And how many of those military designs actually started as civilian in the first place?

HINT: Yes, go back through the ages -- the military just finally funded them.

Also as an engineer ... this makes as much sense to me as marking civilian weapons as allegedly "military style" and, therefore, unfit for civilian ownership.

HINT: The two are very intertwined in design, military almost always being based on (if not directly just using) the civilian product.

Ladies and gentlemen ... welcome to the future of our freedoms. And beyond that ... my engineering knowledge and intellect just is so tired of the physics-ignorant politicians ... including the ones that have now invaded the EPA.

At least the ATF and FBI have people who "pushback" on this non-sense. When politicians start doing things that are detrimental to what we're trying to do, as freedom-loving, technology-improving, Americans. But the EPA here ... I just don't understand.

I mean ... does the Green-X Challenge ring a bell?

Seriously ... can anyone explain this to me? Isn't it racing production-based cars the reason why we have nearly all our economy and safety improvements over the last 30+ years?

Or do the "EPA apologists" actually not watch any production-based sports car racing ... where the top cars are actually hybrids that feed back into production designs? Along with all the handling and other safety features that have drastically reduced accidents and the resulting casualties.

I just don't understand ... honestly, I don't.

EPA Seeks to Prohibit Conversion of Vehicles Into Racecars
https://www.sema.org/news/2016/02/08/epa-seeks-to-prohibit-conversion-of-vehicles-into-racecars

 

[UCFBS]

BTW, I think I've pretty much reached this point in society ...
especially as someone who's never smoked, drank, done drugs and also doesn't believe in organized religion, for myself

 

[goodknightfl]

I could see, no street legal still driven race cars. Simply because of the pollution stuff taken off for the sake of speed. A person should have 0 problems converting a car to a Race car if it is not driven on the street. I used to help my neighbor who raced weekends at Bithlo, and Daytona. He would buy 15 year old cars and convert them. No way were the legal for street use when done. We ran Headers with no or else straight pipes, The inside stripped out other than roll bars and Driver seat. The cars were usually small block v8s and we would run Big Holley 4 barrels on them.
All glass including lights was gone other than windshield.

 

[UCFBS]

I could see, no street legal still driven race cars. Simply because of the pollution stuff taken off for the sake of speed. A person should have 0 problems converting a car to a Race car if it is not driven on the street. I used to help my neighbor who raced weekends at Bithlo, and Daytona. He would buy 15 year old cars and convert them. No way were the legal for street use when done. We ran Headers with no or else straight pipes, The inside stripped out other than roll bars and Driver seat. The cars were usually small block v8s and we would run Big Holley 4 barrels on them.
All glass including lights was gone other than windshield.

But you do understand what the EPA is trying to do? And how it's self-defeating?

 

[goodknightfl]

I disagree with them, but it is all about the lefts big religious movement called Global warming.

 

[UCFBS]

I disagree with them, but it is all about the lefts big religious movement called Global warming.

But that doesn't make any sense to me? Or any engineer, physicist, etc... at all.

In fact, most technological improvements in emissions, fuel economy, safety, etc... have been small, innovative teams based on production cars, which are then patented, fed and licensed back to manufacturers or at least the OEMs of subassemblies. I mean, the EPA freak'n sponsors the Green X Challenge! Alternative fuel, hybrids, alternative energy recapture and other things are encouraged and rewarded by the EPA in production-based racing!!! Production-based!

We're freak'n running diesel-electric these days! Diesel ... at >>200mph!!! This is literally 0% science, 100% political, absolutely and utterly ignorance-based logic by people who do not know the first thing about automotive history!

 

[goodknightfl]

Environmentalism and logic rarely go together. Learn about Fertilizer run off, then look at the unscientific laws passed here on the coast. The State passed laws based on science to help clean up rivers, The local gov'ts have passed laws based on Sierra club nonsense, that sometimes are exactly opposite to what science says.

For hard core environmentalist, it is a religion, and has nothing to do with science nor fact.

 

[UCFBS]

Environmentalism and logic rarely go together. Learn about Fertilizer run off, then look at the unscientific laws passed here on the coast. The State passed laws based on science to help clean up rivers, The local gov'ts have passed laws based on Sierra club nonsense, that sometimes are exactly opposite to what science says.
For hard core environmentalist, it is a religion, and has nothing to do with science nor fact.

Indeed. As I often say, "The Church of Popular Environmentalism" is based on "blind faith" in a science that people don't understand, and are easily duped on.

Kinda like how the 20% of the nation that believes the Moon Landings were faked and that the Twin Towers couldn't come down and, more importantly, can use pre-18th century, pre-classical physics, based observational (Greek BC-like) arguments to dupe 75% more, out of the remaining 80%, with only 5% either being physicists, engineers or those who have a good grasp on their basic, high school physics.

Same goes for "gun safety" -- like Bloomberg's "Anytown" being the uber physics-ignorant rejects even the Brady Foundation doesn't want -- arguments, laws, conflicting laws (making everyone criminals, etc...) to implement a political solution, using science "belief," not understanding.

We are utterly and totally in agreement, and the EPA is making itself a special interest political engine that becomes laughable to anyone with a modicum of expertise and exposure in the past 30 years of production-based motorsport.