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Florida is Racist

I'm ok with this if their thought process was along the lines of needing to increase the % of students at or above prescibed academic levels to hit some overall goal by 2018, and by doing that they looked at the data and said "ok that means Asians need to go from A to B, Hispanics from X to Y, etc." to give them a set of goals, with everyone being asked to improve by the same %. The people that are "outraged" should be asking why they track academic performance by race in the first place.
 
Its designed to obscure that the current system, regardless of the amount of money being spent, isn't working as a whole. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Originally posted by DHodges34:
I'm ok with this if their thought process was along the lines of needing to increase the % of students at or above prescibed academic levels to hit some overall goal by 2018, and by doing that they looked at the data and said "ok that means Asians need to go from A to B, Hispanics from X to Y, etc." to give them a set of goals, with everyone being asked to improve by the same %. The people that are "outraged" should be asking why they track academic performance by race in the first place.
Or you just take the average score of everyone and say "increase this."
Your last sentence makes no sense as that is the argument of the "outraged."
 
I don't think it's wrong that they're tracking by race, it's how they identify problems. Giving different races different goals though is dumb. They're telling black kids that they don't need to try as hard as asians.
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Goals need to be attainable. Telling a specified group that has been at a lower level than other groups that they need to reach the same level as these other groups really isn't realistic. No one is saying they can't overachieve. It's like telling someone who is 300 pounds, someone who is 250 pounds, and someone who is 220 pounds that they all need to weigh 200 pounds. That isn't realistic.
 
Originally posted by OlearyLookAlike:
Goals need to be attainable. Telling a specified group that has been at a lower level than other groups that they need to reach the same level as these other groups really isn't realistic. No one is saying they can't overachieve. It's like telling someone who is 300 pounds, someone who is 250 pounds, and someone who is 220 pounds that they all need to weigh 200 pounds. That isn't realistic.
If you're claiming that they are all equal except for the weight, then they need to have the same end goal in sight. While you have a point in the sense that being at 200 in the same timeframe for all of them is unrealistic, you are not showing that you understand that, all else being equal, they all need to get to 200 regardless of where they are now. The end goal needs to be stated and intermediate goals need to be labeled what they are.

Unless you're saying that they're not intrinsically equal. If that is your argument, then go ahead and maintain different standards tailored to the reality of their differences.

Regardless, the school board can set all the goals that they want but those goals can't get into the homes and neighborhoods of the struggling children and change the world for them.
 
Originally posted by sk8knight:
Originally posted by OlearyLookAlike:
Goals need to be attainable. Telling a specified group that has been at a lower level than other groups that they need to reach the same level as these other groups really isn't realistic. No one is saying they can't overachieve. It's like telling someone who is 300 pounds, someone who is 250 pounds, and someone who is 220 pounds that they all need to weigh 200 pounds. That isn't realistic.
If you're claiming that they are all equal except for the weight, then they need to have the same end goal in sight. While you have a point in the sense that being at 200 in the same timeframe for all of them is unrealistic, you are not showing that you understand that, all else being equal, they all need to get to 200 regardless of where they are now. The end goal needs to be stated and intermediate goals need to be labeled what they are.

Unless you're saying that they're not intrinsically equal. If that is your argument, then go ahead and maintain different standards tailored to the reality of their differences.

Regardless, the school board can set all the goals that they want but those goals can't get into the homes and neighborhoods of the struggling children and change the world for them.
Under the same time period it's just not realistic to expect everyone to hit the same goal when some are starting a lot further behind. This is a multigenerational issue that is not going to be solved in a few years by some number goal on a piece of paper.

It is what it is. The FCAT numbers are what they are. The "leadership" of the minorities never said anything about these numbers and they have been around a while. It's not until they feel they have had some type of disservice done to them that they are now outraged. Instead of someone just staying here are the numbers, let's work to meet this initial goal, they want to waste time thinking they are owed something. But it's par for the course with how certain groups operate which is why there is never much progress made.
 
Originally posted by UCFWayne:
So the goal is to treat everyone the same, but at the same time break them into separate groups?!
Racism is very systemic.

Public Schools teach everyone is equal and we should live in a colorblind/ethnically blind society...yet government routinely and arbitrarily lumps ethnicity in to high-level categories based on simple similar aesthetic genetic traits and asks you "what you are" whenever you fill out an application for various services.
 
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