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This is exactly what haters have been asking for. Young, hungry, offensive minded. It is clear that he will redefine UCF football. The big thing I see that is missing is the Florida connection that people seem to think is key. It is a very interesting hire. I don't know a thing about him other than he was OC for Oregon but I am excited about seeing what he can do.

He reminds me a bit of Kruz back in the day. Maybe it is the fact that he is not a fat old coach and obviously hits the weights pretty hard (something that Kruz did a little too much) .
 
Sorry, I'm just not a fan of this hire. I shared this in another post, but his offenses produced no national titles, he has 0 HC experience, and will hire a DC on the west coast who won't have a good scheme.

Also, he has ZERO recruiting connections in FL or the south, in general. We wanted to be anti-Oleary so had we went way left.
 
Renegade2007 said:
Sorry, I'm just not a fan of this hire. I shared this in another post, but his offenses produced no national titles, he has 0 HC experience, and will hire a DC on the west coast who won't have a good scheme.

Also, he has ZERO recruiting connections in FL or the south, in general. We wanted to be anti-Oleary so had we went way left.
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Sorry, but you're wrong. Oregon has been coming into Florida and recruiting kids right in our own back yard for years. Guess who has been recruiting them!
 
According to Rivals, he had targeted 2 players from the Tampa area this year and he recruited Charles Nelson from Daytona. 3, 4, and 5 star players. Not that stars matter.......
 
Renegade2007 said:
Sorry, I'm just not a fan of this hire. I shared this in another post, but his offenses produced no national titles, he has 0 HC experience, and will hire a DC on the west coast who won't have a good scheme.

Also, he has ZERO recruiting connections in FL or the south, in general. We wanted to be anti-Oleary so had we went way left.
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So all potential candidates have to have contributed to a national title winning team? Good luck with that.

Also, he recruited Florida, so he has connections. Your post is dumb.
 
Not to mention he'll probably seek to upgrade our jersey options. I think they have like 66 uniform combinations. 1/3 of that will be an improvement for us!

Can someone confirm they put names on the back of jerseys?
 
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I'll concede my recruiting concern may be off target (while still a concern for me, personally) but my DC concern is not. There is no denying a sound defense wins championships. We can prove that for ourselves, given our conference wins (and matching great defenses), as well as on the national scope.

Who he hires at DC will be a HUGE factor around his success/failure.
 
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Renegade2007 said:
I'll concede my recruiting concern may be off target (while still a concern for me, personally) but my DC concern is not. There is no denying a sound defense wins championships. We can prove that for ourselves, given our conference wins (and matching great defenses), as well as on the national scope.

Who he hires at DC will be a HUGE factor around his success/failure.
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We obviously need to get a good DC, however, he played DB in the NFL and was a Co-DC at the FCS level, so he does have some defensive knowledge.
 
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Renegade2007 said:
I'll concede my recruiting concern may be off target (while still a concern for me, personally) but my DC concern is not. There is no denying a sound defense wins championships. We can prove that for ourselves, given our conference wins (and matching great defenses), as well as on the national scope.

Who he hires at DC will be a HUGE factor around his success/failure.
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The DC hire is very important, but it's also important to realize that the style of play will result in a defense that looks worse on paper. It's just a different kind of football. There's a reason you don't see the teams that score 60 a game holding teams to 10 a game - their offensive quickness and efficiency puts the defense on the field more often. It gives the opposing O more opportunities and tends to wear the defense down.

Personally, I do not care about the style of play as long as it means wins. If UCF won 10-11 games a year by beating opponents 65-60, would you really be that upset?
 
goody1986 said:
The DC hire is very important, but it's also important to realize that the style of play will result in a defense that looks worse on paper. It's just a different kind of football. There's a reason you don't see the teams that score 60 a game holding teams to 10 a game - their offensive quickness and efficiency puts the defense on the field more often. It gives the opposing O more opportunities and tends to wear the defense down.

Personally, I do not care about the style of play as long as it means wins. If UCF won 10-11 games a year by beating opponents 65-60, would you really be that upset?
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But to that point, name one of those teams that have won a title?
 
Nashville_Knight said:
Not to mention he'll probably seek to upgrade our jersey options. I think they have like 66 uniform combinations. 1/3 of that will be an improvement for us!
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Totally unrealistic expectation. UCF doesn't have the sponsor like Oregon does, who underwrites all the uniform costs.
 
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But to that point, name one of those teams that have won a title?
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None of those teams have won a national title, but 1) There are few that play that style, and I think they succeed at disproportionate rates, 2) Only teams from 7 schools have won a title in the last 10 years, so then are the options restricted to the coaches from 7 staffs? Seems silly. 3) None of those teams were offensively stodgy. They had strong defenses, but they were also not scoring 14 points a game. They often scored in bunches, too. 4) Those teams regularly compete for conference championships. 5) UCF is not a P5 school yet - how many national championship winning coaches (that you'd actually want) are going to come to a G5 school? The potential here is great, but it's still just potential.
 
goody1986 said:
The DC hire is very important, but it's also important to realize that the style of play will result in a defense that looks worse on paper. It's just a different kind of football. There's a reason you don't see the teams that score 60 a game holding teams to 10 a game - their offensive quickness and efficiency puts the defense on the field more often. It gives the opposing O more opportunities and tends to wear the defense down.

Personally, I do not care about the style of play as long as it means wins. If UCF won 10-11 games a year by beating opponents 65-60, would you really be that upset?
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That would definitely put butts in the seats in East Orlando.
 
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So winning shouldn't be in the equation either?
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Nobody said that. No coach is perfect, but it is important to have some sense of reality here. Only considering national championship winning coaches, and not just ones, like frost, who was OC when Oregon lost in the national championship game, seems a little absurd at a place like UCF. UCF isn't Alabama - they can't just point at whoever they want and get them.
 
goody1986 said:
Nobody said that. No coach is perfect, but it is important to have some sense of reality here. Only considering national championship winning coaches, and not just ones, like frost, who was OC when Oregon lost in the national championship game, seems a little absurd at a place like UCF. UCF isn't Alabama - they can't just point at whoever they want and get them.
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But I was for Dino, who wasn't from a P5 powerhouse. He won conference titles as a HC. I'm realistic, here. I wanted a proven winning coach. We didn't get that here, IMO.
 
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But I was for Dino, who wasn't from a P5 powerhouse. He won conference titles as a HC. I'm realistic, here. I wanted a proven winning coach. We didn't get that here, IMO.
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Then your argument has nothing to do with a national championship, it has something to do with wanting an experienced HC rather than a newbie. That's totally understandable, just not the argument you've put forth throughout the thread. It's a fair point that people can disagree on. Lots of newbie HCs have failed miserably, lots of have done quite well.
 
My point about a national title had nothing to do with the HC experience (and us needing a guy with that experience), but more to do with the style of offense. That style hasn't won a title. And as for the HC experience, I'd prefer a coach with winning experience.
 
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So winning shouldn't be in the equation either?
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Not if 10+ wins gets you GOL like attendance. It sounds crazy but we are better off going 8-4 every year and selling out BHNS so much that we expand to 55,000 rather that go 10-2 winning the conference with O'Leary ball and averaging 39,000.
 
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Nashville_Knight said:
Not to mention he'll probably seek to upgrade our jersey options. I think they have like 66 uniform combinations. 1/3 of that will be an improvement for us!

Can someone confirm they put names on the back of jerseys?
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Uncle Phil's money is not coming with Frost so I wouldnt hold your breath on new uniforms

Also Oregon has like 3 times more than 66 uniform combinations
 
People bitching about recruiting, and not having ties to Florida should wait and see how he does. Oregon recruits Florida pretty heavily, they have 3 or 4 kids from the central Florida area on their team now, so he may very well have contacts. More so, if he is bringing in an offense like everyone is expecting, that will recruit kids in itself. Going into an 18 year old skill player's house and saying "We want to get you he ball in space and let you do what you do" is a pretty good recruiting method and their are plenty of skill players in Florida who aren't going to P5 schools who will love to hear that
 
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Renegade2007 said:
My point about a national title had nothing to do with the HC experience (and us needing a guy with that experience), but more to do with the style of offense. That style hasn't won a title. And as for the HC experience, I'd prefer a coach with winning experience.
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No, the style hasn't won an NC, but Oregon has played for 2 in the last 7 years, with Frost on staff for both. That's pretty damn good. It's also important to remember that the places using that style regularly finish in the top 10 even though they are not at places that have yet been able to consistently recruit top 10 talent. The system does a great job at compensating for personnel inadequacies. IMO, that's a real benefit at UCF.
 
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No, the style hasn't won an NC, but Oregon has played for 2 in the last 7 years, with Frost on staff for both. That's pretty damn good. It's also important to remember that the places using that style regularly finish in the top 10 even though they are not at places that have yet been able to consistently recruit top 10 talent. The system does a great job at compensating for personnel inadequacies. IMO, that's a real benefit at UCF.
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I truly hope you're right, and that I'm wrong.
 
Renegade2007 said:
I truly hope you're right, and that I'm wrong.
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Have no idea if the positives I see will work out or not, but I'm an optimist and don't see any reason why he can't be very successful. I think his ceiling is higher than some of the other favored candidates, like Babers, but I'm also sure that there will be some growing pains as a first time HC. Hopefully there is some patience with that.
 
Our defense couldnt stop anyone towards the end of the year so whats the big deal?*
 
Perhaps you should compare the style of offense he runs on G5 level instead of P5. Are there many G5s that use it successfully? Since we aren't going to get P5 recruits in bunches every year, it's more important to see how G5 talent can handle the offense. Who runs it? Tulsa, SMU?
 
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