Was wondering what some of you thought about this case now that more of the FACTS are coming out?
George Floyd Case...Game changer?
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FACTS!!!!!!!!!
FACTS!!!!!!!!!
Doubt they get things dismissed. But will be powerful at trial. Who knows what happens once all 40 minutes of video comes out, and it is showed that he was trained to do what he did. This is another case of over charging. I don't know if a court can decide on a lesser charge, but if they can't find murder and can not go to a lesser charge, then riots will get even worse.
The stupid thing was prosecution saying holding down Floyd in that manner was not taught, when it clearly was.
The stupid thing was prosecution saying holding down Floyd in that manner was not taught, when it clearly was.
That’s certainly what the video looked like. But the defense is going to note that the telltale physical signs of asphyxiation were not present at autopsy. Those should have been there if Floyd died of asphyxiation from either pressure to the neck or compression of the chest. In addition, while there was bruising on the face, there was no bruising or any other signs of trauma to the neck or throat, which should hav happened if enough force was applied to the throat to cause asphyxiation, especially since the pressure wasn’t applied directly to the throat. And then there is Floyd saying that he couldn’t breathe long before any force was applied to him. All of this is going to be used by the defense to try to create reasonable doubt to the claim that the officers suffocated him.
I honestly think the better route for the prosecution is to go after the failure to provide aid and latency in calling FD when Floyd complained of a medical condition and then again when he was restrained. If they go after the suffocation angle, I believe that they are going to have real problems with meeting the beyond a reasonable doubt threshold. Especially with a fatal dose of fentanyl in Floyd’s system.
the defense is going to say you saw an overdose, which is what the original medical examiner's cause of death was. This has not only turned into a VERY weak case but all of the officers are going to have a good law suit against the city for firing them for doing their job by how they were trained. Personally, I've seen zero evidence that race played any part in this, zero evidence that this was pre-meditated, and questionable if that the cops acted negligent. If floyd was not drugged out trying to pass a fake bill and resisting arrest he'd possibly still be alive today. Now we can all have the discussion about changing the way police handle someone drugged out but in this case how do you prosecute someone doing their job the way they were trained and how does the city and state throw these guys under the bus for something that looks like their fault for not having better training methods for cops to deal with some of these situations?
In addition to the technique being in the manual, it is going to be very easy for the defense to demonstrate the technique in person, make it look just like the video, and show that a person can still breathe during the restraint.
I don’t think you’re going to have a jury. I would lay money that they’re going to request a bench trial
That makes no sense. The prosecution has to persuade 12 people "beyond a reasonable doubt" instead of 1 person. If just one person sees any doubt it's a hung jury.
The problem with a jury is that they are swayed by emotion and non-law factors and will often decide on sentiment. A judge is constrained to decide on the merits of the case according to the laws. So, in a case where there is no way to find an untainted jury, having a judge decide the case based upon the law and precedents is far preferable. Especially since this is going to be so dependent upon procedure and how police are trained and whether the officers acted in objectively reasonable fashion and a ton of other tricky legal aspects.
Think back to the Freddy Gray case. The guy was flailing around in the back of a police wagon and took a strange fall and ended up dying. Baltimore rioted and the politicians came out against the 6 officers and the SA charged them all with murder or some abettance to that. They all opted for a bench trial and after the judge acquitted the first two, the state dropped the rest. This is a similar situation except the officers' actions are murkier and there's video with bad optics.
I dont know how they could even find jurors for this trial quite honestly. Pretty much everybody has heard tons of details and opinions on the situation so there's no way to find impartial jurors.
N-N-N0, listen to our Usual Suspects!
You didn't really see Floyd die under Chauvin's knee. Everything the cops did was on the up-and-up!!!*
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It was a fake 20. That deserves two knees on your faces and neck, not just one.
Don't forget he also had a panic attack when the officers went to put him in the back of their squad car.
Now, imagine this same exact scene -- with Floyd's same exact record -- but when the officers arrived George Floyd looked like Derek Chauvin's lawyer. (The fellow we see staring at us in the OP of this thread.)
Tell me with a straight face that the cops would have handled him the exact same way they did the Black man they found at the scene.
OP is dumb but shocked to find that Shookster is in here being a total fuking moron too.
If you did all of the things that Floyd did in his life and on that day, having a lethal dose of fentanyl on top of meth in your system and stealing cigarettes after trying to pass a counterfeit 20, would you blame someone else for your death?
Yes, if George Floyd looked like the guy in the OP, had the same history and acted in the same way during that encounter he would have met the same fate.
Yep, just like a Black man in Rittenhouse's place walking down the street with his hands in the air walking towards police after shooting three people with a AR-15 would have been treated the exact, same way too.
It's awesome we can have an open and honest discussion about race here.
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Shuckster actually believes that he could shoot someone and walk by police afterwards because he's white.
Oj Simpson did what?Yep, just like a Black man in Rittenhouse's place walking down the street with his hands in the air walking towards police after shooting three people with a AR-15 would have been treated the exact, same way too.
It's awesome we can have an open and honest discussion about race here.
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