Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief
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I did. This country has no one to blame but the Federal Government for that cult when they declared them a "religion" in the early 1990s. I always thought Tom Cruise was a douche (good actor as it were), and this confirmed it.
There's a long reddit thread on this and they were saying how much more insane the book is. I can only imagine.
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Thirty or so years ago I remember both of my older brothers reading these paperback science fiction books. If I remember correctly they were a series of three books. Both of my brothers said they were very good science fiction stories and considering how much they read, it was a compliment, ell the author was L. Ron Hubbard. This was before any mainstream scientology stories. If you hear the stories behind scientology you can very quickly see its made up of Hubbard's science fiction stories of the past. Basically, you have to be a complete idiot to buy into any of it.
I liked it but not much of it was shocking or really new to me. Much of it was covered in the St. Pete Times article series that the documentary mentioned. The most interesting parts to me were how much of pawns that Tom Cruise and John Travolta are. They've both been close to leaving in the past and had good reason to but refuse to do it. I'm assuming Tom admitted that he's gay in his auditing sessions. Who knows what dirt they have on Travolta. You have to wonder if Travolta and Cruise have seen any of this stuff. Tom demanding to have his auditing done in a hotel room so he wouldn't be recorded only to have that hotel room have hidden cameras setup should be pretty damning to him. Black mail is strong, however, I'm sure.
Yeah, I watched it and enjoyed it but it was pretty much everything I already knew. There's definitely a lot more damning things they could've covered. Thinking back, I don't think they had anything about Lisa McPherson or anyone else that died but that could've been on purpose. May have wanted to focus on issues that are grounded and can't be construed in a tin foil hat way. Help the credibility of everything else.
I don't disagree with you here but I have to think there's something else out there. We don't exactly live in a world where gays aren't embraced. Maybe it's nothing more than him fearing he couldn't get leading roles if this was known. And that very well might have been the case when he joined back in the day. But that can't be the only reason.
On that note, am I the only one who wonders if there isn't some serious man love going on between Cruise and David Miscavige?
I grew up in Clearwater so I've been around these nuts most of my life. In fact our neighborhood had a family that "escaped" the cult and had the exact goons they talked about in the documentary on their street every.single.day. They eventually had to move to escape the Scientology thugs that run around Clearwater, tasked to harass ex-members.
Go to downtown Clearwater and watch them walk around in their matching outfits. It's creepy.
I also don't really buy the "Tom Cruise is gay, so he's trapped" thing. If he were gay and really wanted out of the cult, I think he'd just come out and say he's gay. Would it really matter at this point?
Personally I think that Tom Cruise is a true believer and has some type of financial/power arrangement with these wackos that he enjoys too much to give up. Either that, or they have dirt on him that goes way beyond being gay.
Go to downtown Clearwater and watch them walk around in their matching outfits. It's creepy.
I also don't really buy the "Tom Cruise is gay, so he's trapped" thing. If he were gay and really wanted out of the cult, I think he'd just come out and say he's gay. Would it really matter at this point?
Personally I think that Tom Cruise is a true believer and has some type of financial/power arrangement with these wackos that he enjoys too much to give up. Either that, or they have dirt on him that goes way beyond being gay.
Yea I had no idea about any of this going into the movie. Friend mentioned I should watch it when it came up on HBO. I just dont see how anyone sane person could just go along with that whole thing. But its never the sane people that join cults anyways so they got what they deserved.
Just like frats, people in search of an identity get one given to them (for a cost) and buy into everything. You may realize the stupidity but you've already invested so much that you can't leave.
It probably is more than just the gay thing for Tom. But even beyond black mail, he would have to admit that a huge, lengthy part of his life has been a sham. That he allowed other people to drive a wedge in his family. That he was duped not for a brief moment but for decades. His ego probably won't let him admit that he's allowed himself to be taken advantage of like he has been.
I think thats why so many of them decide to stick with it once they find out the truth. They feel they are too involved to get out and start a new.
First, given Scientology's views toward homosexuality, I don't think that Cruise "came out" in an auditing session. What was mentioned in the movie was something about "Cruise's perverted lifestyle" or something of that nature. That leads me to believe that while Cruise may not have come out as a full-fledged homosexual, he may have mentioned an instance or twelve when he gobbled a pole. But, as all of the anti-gay people are well aware, all you have to do is pray the gay away, so he's ok in the eyes of the "church" (but, he will still be chastised for his deviant sexual behavior).
And, I also don't think there's any M2M going on with Miscavige and Cruise because of the stories where Miscavige personally reviewed Cruise's auditing sessions and made fun of Cruise.
I don't think Cruise is gay nor am I convinced that would be the reason he'd be trapped in Scieno land. If he were really gay, and really wanted out, coming out in public in 2015 is not that big of a deal. Besides, the bulk of his career is behind him and he's got shitwads of cash. He could live in peace as a Scientology-free gay guy with tons of money.
They either have some really bad, personal dirt on him OR he is a true believer and doesn't want out.
Being gay wouldn't be the thing holding him in at this point.
They either have some really bad, personal dirt on him OR he is a true believer and doesn't want out.
Being gay wouldn't be the thing holding him in at this point.
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L.Ron Hubbard even states in the book "Dianetics" that the thing is a psychological, pseudo-science sham, a ruse, as an attempt to expose the frailty, and the futility of spiritual belief by decreeing that people can believe in anything if others cannot PROVE them wrong!
When you get to the upper echelon of the cult, as you pay your way up, you are slowly given the secret that the whole thing is a self-defeating sham to begin with!
So, we aren't all really reincarnations of early alien beings after all.
When you get to the upper echelon of the cult, as you pay your way up, you are slowly given the secret that the whole thing is a self-defeating sham to begin with!
So, we aren't all really reincarnations of early alien beings after all.
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