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is the biggest load of "Bull crap" ever posted on an Internet forum! Who writes this material? It couldn't make it onto a Jimmy Kimbell skit and any trash passes as comedy in his set. A look at Gus Malzahn's history as a offensive genius paints a far different picture of reality.

Hewitt-Trussville (Ala.) High head coach Josh Floyd, Malzahn's first protege at Shiloh Christian (Ark.) High, broke state and national passing records during his three years as a starter and finished with 5,221 passing yards and 66 touchdowns while rushing for 657 yards as a senior in 1998.

SMU head coach Rhett Lashlee captured two state titles, won 40 games, and threw for 13,201 yards and 171 career touchdowns at Springdale (Ark.) High. His rushing stats are not readily accessible, but he did score at least 30 rushing touchdowns in his career.

Parade Magazine National Player of the Year Mitch Mustain, also of Springdale High, threw for 3,744 yards and 42 touchdowns. He rushed for just 141 yards and seven touchdowns.

Conference USA Player of the Year Paul Smith of Tulsa passed for 5,065 yards and 47 touchdowns. He rushed for 105 yards.

Davey O’Brien semifinalist David Johnson, also of Tulsa, threw for 4,059 yards and 46 touchdowns and finished with a QB Rating of 178.7. He had only 186 rushing yards.

Georgia Southern passing game coordinator Ryan Aplin passed for 3,342 yards and 24 touchdowns at Arkansas State. He ran for 438 yards, his lowest total since his freshman season when he appeared in only nine games.

New England Patriots quarterback Jarrett Stidham passed for 5,952 yards and 36 touchdowns in two seasons under Gus and current UCF offensive coordinator Chip Lindsay. Despite being the 247sports' No. 1 dual-threat quarterback in the nation, he rushed for just 153 career yards, including ONE SOLITARY YARD as a senior. He remains only the second 3,000-yard single-season passer in Auburn history.

Heisman trophy winner Cam Newton and SEC Player of the Year Nick Marshall are the only Gus Malzahn quarterbacks to rush for more than 700 yards in a season.

Based on the evidence, I would argue that Newton and Marshall are outliers in the Gus Malzahn offense. Additionally, considering his hire of Lindsay as offensive coordinator, Gus Malzahn, I think, has a "Keene" sense of who his 2022 starting quarterback will be.

 
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the less we talk about malzahn and QBs the better. i like him as a head coach, but QB isn't his strength. look at how bo nix and gatewood were chosen over malk willis in 2019 causing him to transfer. one is the potential first QB taken in the NFL draft and others are who they are ... certainly not his caliber.
 
the less we talk about malzahn and QBs the better. i like him as a head coach, but QB isn't his strength. look at how bo nix and gatewood were chosen over malk willis in 2019 causing him to transfer. one is the potential first QB taken in the NFL draft and others are who they are ... certainly not his caliber.
That's some revisionist history... Malik Willis was his own biggest enemy at Auburn. He has even admitted this.

 
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Well all he seems to want to recruit are dual threat guys so where there’s smoke......

Would be interested to see if there is any interest in Demetrius (sp) Davis.....who ironically was the very first name that came up back in December.
 
Unlike GOL he is flexible with the talent he has. Lately, we've seen dual threat QBs do very well in college football and help out teams from being one dimensional...just saying.
 
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the less we talk about malzahn and QBs the better. i like him as a head coach, but QB isn't his strength. look at how bo nix and gatewood were chosen over malk willis in 2019 causing him to transfer. one is the potential first QB taken in the NFL draft and others are who they are ... certainly not his caliber.

Lots to unpack here.

I want to make certain I understand you correctly. You think Gus Malzahn is a bad evaluator of quarterback talent because Malik Willis is projected to be a first round draft pick in the NFL.

You fail to acknowledge that Malzahn was the only FBS coach in the nation to offer Willis as a quarterback coming out of his school. Willis was committed to play cornerback for Justin Fluente at Virginia Tech prior to being signed by Auburn.

I was on the sidelines at the 2019 Auburn A-Day Game when Bo Nix, in a span of two possessions, looked to be a cross between Johnny Manzel and Baker Mayfield. I watchrd Joey Gatewood one series and knew he would never play a significant snap of college football at quarterback. Malik Willis, meanwhile, went "through the motions" of being a quarterback in limited action, but he wasn't in the same stratosphere as Bo Nix. At the time, Nix was Michaelangelo with the football; Willis, Bob Ross with water colors; and Gatewood, a toddler with finger paint.

Willis transferred out of Auburn and nobody wanted him except Malzahn's friend, Coach Freeze. I am fairly sure Malzahn put in a good word for Willis. In addition, Willis didn't start immediately at Liberty. He transferred under the old rules, meaning he had to sit out a season before being eligible. Freeze had an entire year to figure out how to develop and build an offense around Willis's skill set before the quarterback took a snap in a college football game. Willis is a fifth year season starter. Nix is a true junior who started every game until his injury at Auburn since his freshman year of high school. Nix is the most prolific passer in Alabama high school football history. Willis and Nix are both ELITE talents. I can only imagine how improved Nix would be had he redshirted.

If there is any indictment of Gus Malzahn as a quarterback coach, it is the signing of Joey Gatewood. Gatewood passed for fewer yards than any other Auburn quarterback signee, save two (Calvin Booker and Jason Standridge), since 1992. I don't think Malzahn ever intended Gatewood to play quarterback. I think Malzahn wanted Gatewood to play tight end. Gatewood was just too stubborn to change positions.
 
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Lots to unpack here.

I want to make certain I understand you correctly. You think Gus Malzahn is a bad evaluator of quarterback talent because Malik Willis is projected to be a first round draft pick in the NFL.

You fail to acknowledge that Malzahn was the only FBS coach in the nation to offer Willis as a quarterback coming out of his school. Willis was committed to play cornerback for Justin Fluente at Virginia Tech prior to being signed by Auburn.

I was on the sidelines at the 2019 Auburn A-Day Game when Bo Nix, in a span of two possessions, looked to be a cross between Johnny Manzel and Baker Mayfield. I watchrd Joey Gatewood one series and knew he would never play a significant snap of college football at quarterback. Malik Willis, meanwhile, went "through the motions" of being a quarterback in limited action, but he wasn't in the same stratosphere as Bo Nix. At the time, Nix was Michaelangelo with the football; Willis, Bob Ross with water colors; and Gatewood, a toddler with finger paint.

Willis transferred out of Auburn and nobody wanted him except Malzahn's friend, Coach Freeze. I am fairly sure Malzahn put in a good word for Willis. In addition, Willis didn't start immediately at Liberty. He transferred under the old rules, meaning he had to sit out a season before being eligible. Freeze had an entire year to figure out how to develop and build an offense around Willis's skill set before the quarterback took a snap in a college football game. Willis is a fifth year season starter. Nix is a true junior who started every game until his injury at Auburn since his freshman year of high school. Nix is the most prolific passer in Alabama high school football history. Willis and Nix are both ELITE talents. I can only imagine how improved Nix would be had redshirted.

If there is any indictment of Gus Malzahn as a quarterback coach, it is the signing of Joey Gatewood. Gatewood passed for fewer yards than any other Auburn quarterback signee, save two, since 1992. I don't think Malzahn ever intended Gatewood yo play quarterback. I think Malzahn wanted Gatewood yo play tight end. Gatewood was just too stubborn to change positions.
Interesting take. Thanks.
 
If nothing else, perhaps Plumlee ends up being a counter punch for the Knights when Keene comes out of the lineup. Short yardage plays, a change up in the middle of the game, and of course down near the goal line Plumlee could be inserted into the lineup.

So a repeat of last year.
 
@UCFhonors what is going on at practice? Can we throw the ball 20yds down field? Perhaps more? Can we expect long boring games, with runs up the middle? I personnaly live 1,000+ miles from the campus. I cant just attend practice and eat lunch with the coaches like you.
 
Do you think MK will not progress at all this off-season?
What's the reports in spring practice?

Either way, if there is really another QB coming in at red zone situations it will be similar to where it seemed like the offense would be out of sync and the entire stadium seemed to know what was coming.
 
What's the reports in spring practice?

Either way, if there is really another QB coming in at red zone situations it will be similar to where it seemed like the offense would be out of sync and the entire stadium seemed to know what was coming.
We’ve got coachspeak about how MK is a veteran now and the light has turned on. Also about how hard he’s worked and how much he’s being pushed. Sounds to me like he should be better than last year. There are also reports of interceptions which means they are throwing the ball around.
 
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We’ve got coachspeak about how MK is a veteran now and the light has turned on. Also about how hard he’s worked and how much he’s being pushed. Sounds to me like he should be better than last year. There are also reports of interceptions which means they are throwing the ball around.
That’s my general feeling as well. Will be better but I wait until I see it for myself in game situations. He threw a pick 6 which isn’t good. But coaches said the receiver also ran wrong route on top of throwing into double coverage.
 
That’s my general feeling as well. Will be better but I wait until I see it for myself in game situations. He threw a pick 6 which isn’t good. But coaches said the receiver also ran wrong route on top of throwing into double coverage.
Spring practice seems to me to be the best place to make mistakes in order to get better.
 
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That’s my general feeling as well. Will be better but I wait until I see it for myself in game situations. He threw a pick 6 which isn’t good. But coaches said the receiver also ran wrong route on top of throwing into double coverage.

Pick 6 happen all the time in practices especially in Spring camp. So many mistakes are made.

When I was going to most of the practices I reserved judgement like that for Summer camp.

#UCFacts
 
We’ve got coachspeak about how MK is a veteran now and the light has turned on. Also about how hard he’s worked and how much he’s being pushed. Sounds to me like he should be better than last year. There are also reports of interceptions which means they are throwing the ball around.

You See Facts

UCFreshmen who get playing time improve tremendously. That experience carries over so much weight to practices and off-season improvements.

No sophomore to junior regression still an universal mystery.

#UCFacts
 
@UCFhonors what is going on at practice? Can we throw the ball 20yds down field? Perhaps more? Can we expect long boring games, with runs up the middle? I personnaly live 1,000+ miles from the campus. I cant just attend practice and eat lunch with the coaches like you.

As I said here for a decade, you're just not that committed as a UCFan as those who live 10 minutes from campus.

I was on campus at least once a week, practices, meetings with coaches and players etc..

Since 2020, I have been living the Digital nomad life. I have become who I have criticized, a less dedicated UCFan. After our National Champion I knew I had to let go like a UCFather letting go of his child's bicycle. Sure I knew we'd get some bruised knees that I would have prevented if I stayed 10 minutes from campus. But UCF athletics needs grow.... Como se dice. Without my influential hand?

#UCFacts
 
We’ve got coachspeak about how MK is a veteran now and the light has turned on. Also about how hard he’s worked and how much he’s being pushed. Sounds to me like he should be better than last year. There are also reports of interceptions which means they are throwing the ball around.
Correct on all fronts.

No. 1, Keene is not a veteran. He is a true sophomore.

No. 2, My first impression on the pick 6 was Keene is "pressing," or playing out of character, to show he can staff he can fit the ball into tight windows.

No. 3, Keene is a true quarterback. He has already won the team; all he can do is lose the job. He understands the offense better than anybody. If he plays within himself and manages the game, he will retain the starting job.

No. 4, Keene prepped at Chandler (Arz.) High School, which is one of the more prestigious football programs in the state, and Arizona, in general, produces some of the more successful quarterbacks in the nation. Playing at Oak Grove (MS) High School (where a team can simply out-athlete its opponents), John Rhys Plumlee did not receive the same level of coaching and development. Plumlee was most successful under Rich Rodriguez. Had Gus hired Rich Rod, instead of Chip Lindsay as OC, I would have a different opinion about Plumlee's chances. Lindsay, however, worked magic with Jarrett Stidham during their time at Auburn. Keene's skillet aligns closer to Stidham's than Plumlee's. In my opinion, Plumlee is little more a bandaid in case Keene's frail buck eighty frame gets broken up during the season. After all, UCF doesn't have a backup, now does it?

No. 5, To me, the biggest position up for grabs in spring is X. Jaylon Griffin blossomed this past offseason and is currently in the lead over Kobi Hudson to start at split end. The staff, I think, is comfortable with Kobi, but the locker room seems to be pulling for Jaylon. Every single coach and player to this point has mentioned Jaylon prior to Kobi when talking about the receiving group. Plus, Keene apparently rooms with Griffin, so the two are tight. This is surprising to me. Kobi was Auburn's leading receiver, while Griffin has made a total of three catches in two full seasons of college football. Apparently, Griffin has a lot of upside and has returned to form from when he caught 49 passes for 1,174 receiving yards and 17 touchdowns as a senior in Texas. I remember Tommy Tuberville, after taking over at Texas Tech, saying the biggest difference between football players in SEC County and football players within Big10's footprint was the quality of wide receiver play. Jaylon Griffin may well be a testiment to that observation.
 
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As I said here for a decade, you're just not that committed as a UCFan as those who live 10 minutes from campus.

I was on campus at least once a week, practices, meetings with coaches and players etc..

Since 2020, I have been living the Digital nomad life. I have become who I have criticized, a less dedicated UCFan. After our National Champion I knew I had to let go like a UCFather letting go of his child's bicycle. Sure I knew we'd get some bruised knees that I would have prevented if I stayed 10 minutes from campus. But UCF athletics needs grow.... Como se dice. Without my influential hand?

#UCFacts
Yep, I cannot compete with those fans living 10 mins from campus. Thanks for the update.

Anyone currently residing on campus with updates? I am expecting not much, i am hopeful for our next NC. Work hard and charge on, Go Knights.
 
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You can live 10 mins, 10 miles or 1,000 miles away and still get that we have a qb issue. This pretentious asshole talks about being “close” but he never brings any actual knowledge about anything. He brings nothing but an elitist douchebaggery, talking about going to practices and lunches with GOL lol…I hope none of you believe that, he’s an absolute joke.

BTW, if anyone actually had the time or access to go to practice let alone have a lunch with anyone but his 15 cats, they’d know MK is a 3rd string at best. The dude throws a rb screen from his right ass cheek, I’m done seeing that. Tell Garfield I said what’s up…
 
Yep, I cannot compete with those fans living 10 mins from campus. Thanks for the update.

Anyone currently residing on campus with updates? I am expecting not much, i am hopeful for our next NC. Work hard and charge on, Go Knights.
Stephen Leonard Is a student and gets scoops. Has ear to ground.
 
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Correct on all fronts.

No. 1, Keene is not a veteran. He is a true sophomore.

No. 2, My first impression on the pick 6 was Keene is "pressing," or playing out of character, to show he can staff he can fit the ball into tight windows.

No. 3, Keene is a true quarterback. He has already won the team; all he can do is lose the job. He understands the offense better than anybody. If he plays within himself and manages the game, he will retain the starting job.

No. 4, Keene prepped at Chandler (Arz.) High School, which is one of the more prestigious football programs in the state, and Arizona, in general, produces some of the more successful quarterbacks in the nation. Playing at Oak Grove (MS) High School (where a team can simply out-athlete its opponents), John Rhys Plumlee did not receive the same level of coaching and development. Plumlee was most successful under Rich Rodriguez. Had Gus hired Rich Rod, instead of Chip Lindsay as OC, I would have a different opinion about Plumlee's chances. Lindsay, however, worked magic with Jarrett Stidham during their time at Auburn. Keene's skillet aligns closer to Stidham's than Plumlee's. In my opinion, Plumlee is little more a bandaid in case Keene's frail buck eighty frame gets broken up during the season. After all, UCF doesn't have a backup, now does it?

No. 5, To me, the biggest position up for grabs in spring is X. Jaylon Griffin blossomed this past offseason and is currently in the lead over Kobi Hudson to start at split end. The staff, I think, is comfortable with Kobi, but the locker room seems to be pulling for Jaylon. Every single coach and player to this point has mentioned Jaylon prior to Kobi when talking about the receiving group. Plus, Keene apparently rooms with Griffin, so the two are tight. This is surprising to me. Kobi was Auburn's leading receiver, while Griffin has made a total of three catches in two full seasons of college football. Apparently, Griffin has a lot of upside and has returned to form from when he caught 49 passes for 1,174 receiving yards and 17 touchdowns as a senior in Texas. I remember Tommy Tuberville, after taking over at Texas Tech, saying the biggest difference between football players in SEC County and football players within Big10's footprint was the quality of wide receiver play. Jaylon Griffin may well be a testiment to that observation.
JRP will be the starter, will lead the nation in QB rushing and complete 60% of his passes. He needs to work on his accuracy and will frustrate with some of his throws but, as we've learned, so would Mikey. The difference is that JRP will deliver the big plays with his feet. If, in game situations, JRP can't make the easy throws (and there will be lots of them as they spy him) then Mikey will get his chance. And Chip will find a way to get both Kobe and Jaylon involved (count on it) because both are important to our passing game this year.
 
JRP will be the starter, will lead the nation in QB rushing and complete 60% of his passes. He needs to work on his accuracy and will frustrate with some of his throws but, as we've learned, so would Mikey. The difference is that JRP will deliver the big plays with his feet. If, in game situations, JRP can't make the easy throws (and there will be lots of them as they spy him) then Mikey will get his chance. And Chip will find a way to get both Kobe and Jaylon involved (count on it) because both are important to our passing game this year.
I tend to think JRP should start as well because of his legs but I won't count Mikey out. I just don't want to see the same situation we saw last year with Mikey coming out for one play every so often.
 
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Correct on all fronts.

No. 1, Keene is not a veteran. He is a true sophomore.

No. 2, My first impression on the pick 6 was Keene is "pressing," or playing out of character, to show he can staff he can fit the ball into tight windows.

No. 3, Keene is a true quarterback. He has already won the team; all he can do is lose the job. He understands the offense better than anybody. If he plays within himself and manages the game, he will retain the starting job.

No. 4, Keene prepped at Chandler (Arz.) High School, which is one of the more prestigious football programs in the state, and Arizona, in general, produces some of the more successful quarterbacks in the nation. Playing at Oak Grove (MS) High School (where a team can simply out-athlete its opponents), John Rhys Plumlee did not receive the same level of coaching and development. Plumlee was most successful under Rich Rodriguez. Had Gus hired Rich Rod, instead of Chip Lindsay as OC, I would have a different opinion about Plumlee's chances. Lindsay, however, worked magic with Jarrett Stidham during their time at Auburn. Keene's skillet aligns closer to Stidham's than Plumlee's. In my opinion, Plumlee is little more a bandaid in case Keene's frail buck eighty frame gets broken up during the season. After all, UCF doesn't have a backup, now does it?

No. 5, To me, the biggest position up for grabs in spring is X. Jaylon Griffin blossomed this past offseason and is currently in the lead over Kobi Hudson to start at split end. The staff, I think, is comfortable with Kobi, but the locker room seems to be pulling for Jaylon. Every single coach and player to this point has mentioned Jaylon prior to Kobi when talking about the receiving group. Plus, Keene apparently rooms with Griffin, so the two are tight. This is surprising to me. Kobi was Auburn's leading receiver, while Griffin has made a total of three catches in two full seasons of college football. Apparently, Griffin has a lot of upside and has returned to form from when he caught 49 passes for 1,174 receiving yards and 17 touchdowns as a senior in Texas. I remember Tommy Tuberville, after taking over at Texas Tech, saying the biggest difference between football players in SEC County and football players within Big10's footprint was the quality of wide receiver play. Jaylon Griffin may well be a testiment to that observation.
So you’ve got O’keefe in the slot and Robinson at Z, then? I’ve got a feeling that we’ll se those two at every position this year and I’m not concerned about seeing any one X develop over the others. Hopefully they all step up.

Of course Keene is pressing now and out of character from where he was last year. That’s how you grow. They kept it simple for him last year and now we’re going to see more of what Malzahn actually wants to do at QB. In any case, it sounds like we have hungry guys at QB and that’s always a good thing.
 
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I tend to think JRP should start as well because of his legs but I won't count Mikey out. I just don't want to see the same situation we saw last year with Mikey coming out for one play every so often.
I agree that didn't work at all and if you have a running back you have to let him throw some or everyone knows its going to be a run. Doesn't work consistently at all.
 
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I love a good Qb controversy in the spring. It will be interesting who wins the starting job. But, methinks everyone plays the first game of the year vs South Carolina State. Kenne probably getting the start with packages for the other Qbs. After that though, game #2 with Louisville @UCF, there will be a clear starter emerge from game 1.
 
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It’s a good analysis of what it might look like if Malzahn is going to build a system for JRP. But it fails for me in that it doesn’t recognize Malzahn’s entire body of work and selects an athlete similar to JRP and the way Malzahn used that athlete and claims that makes JRP perfect for Malzahn’s “system”.

Gus Malzahn is not a one-trick pony attempting to find athletes to fit a rigid system. He is going to build a system around the athletes that he has and it will produce differently depending on the team’s capabilities. It will evolve as the QB and team evolves. And it’s damn good for us that he has these skills because it made last year’s success possible.
 
It’s a good analysis of what it might look like if Malzahn is going to build a system for JRP. But it fails for me in that it doesn’t recognize Malzahn’s entire body of work and selects an athlete similar to JRP and the way Malzahn used that athlete and claims that makes JRP perfect for Malzahn’s “system”.

Gus Malzahn is not a one-trick pony attempting to find athletes to fit a rigid system. He is going to build a system around the athletes that he has and it will produce differently depending on the team’s capabilities. It will evolve as the QB and team evolves. And it’s damn good for us that he has these skills because it made last year’s success possible.
Last year was a down year only saved by a win in bowl against a down UF. The video is about JRP so it’s going to curtail the offense towards his strengths. DG left because he didn’t like the offense that was presented to him. I’m going to have to wait at least another year to see what happens with QBs to tell if Gus can adapt to QBs as opposed to the QBs adapting to him.
 
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Last year was a down year only saved by a win in bowl against a down UF. The video is about JRP so it’s going to curtail the offense towards his strengths. DG left because he didn’t like the offense that was presented to him. I’m going to have to wait at least another year to see what happens with QBs to tell if Gus can adapt to QBs as opposed to the QBs adapting to him.
I think you have to look at the adversity faced by the team when you decide whether the year was a success or not. With all the losses on defense and the loss of DG, even being in the position to play the Gators was a success. Beating them was icing. Much of that is coaching making the best with what they had.It would be natural to expect more this year.

DG wasn’t going to like any offense at UCF that was going to be short of him putting up the best stats in the game. The offensive system was only part of the reason he left. Of course, it was the one they cited because it was the one that he wouldn’t get criticism over.
 
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