Hackers can control your car? oh great!

[mach3ucf]

I heard this on CBS, found the story just now on fox.

This cannot be good!

http://www.foxbusiness.com/technolo...remotely-control-jeeps/?cmpid=cmty_twitter_fb

 

[80'sKnight]

"Imported from Detroit" shhhh your money goes to Italy.

 

[UCF w00t]

Already being discussed in other hacking thread (and included the proper link to the original story, not some mainstream media BS rehash). http://ucf.forums.rivals.com/threads/hacker-threatens-to-expose-37m-cheaters.9339/

 

[bignow]

That's what you get for buying a jeep

 

[jetsaholic]

I call shenanigans.

 

[UCFEE]

I call shenanigans.

Not shenanigans, and important to expose these things as we get closer to self-drivers.
The vulnerabilities to remote hackers coming through the internet can be mitigated pretty easily in time, but vehicle-to-vehicle networks will be much more difficult to address, given that those system's latency requirements don't allow much overhead to implement security handshaking.

So it's good people are thinking about this stuff now.

Also, IJHT get frogger to say something rude so I can remind that there's something wrong with him.

 

[jetsaholic]

Not shenanigans, and important to expose these things are we get closer to self-drivers.
The vulnerabilities to remote hackers coming through the internet can be mitigated pretty easily in time, but vehicle-to-vehicle networks will be much more difficult to address, given that those system's latency requirements don't allow much overhead to implement security handshaking.

So it's good people are thinking about this stuff now.

Also, IJHT get frogger to say something rude so I can remind that there's something wrong with him.

Oh, please, don't tell me you're one of these damn hippies that wants to see cars drive themselves. That's just fukcing stupid. That shit won't happen. It shouldn't happen. It is the stupidest fukcing thing for cars to drive themselves. If you can't drive or don't want to drive then don't fukcing drive. Simple. Fukcing piss ass shit fukc bitch ass bullshit this fukcing shit is.

I can tell by the article, and it's just my interpretation, that it only affects vehicles with the Uconnect infotainment system, a.k.a. GPS, so I'm safe. Another reason why I'm happy I drive stick, since I can just disengage gears.

 

[UCF w00t]

I can tell by the article, and it's just my interpretation, that it only affects vehicles with the Uconnect infotainment system, a.k.a. GPS, so I'm safe. Another reason why I'm happy I drive stick, since I can just disengage gears.

It's not the GPS but the remote network connection. Yes, GPS is a feature of a unit but only the network connectivity is important. This sort of feature is coming standard on many vehicles now. So while whatever you drive now may not have it it's likely that your next car will. Also, even if you're able to find your next vehicle in a manual transmission (I assume you'll be driving sports cars forever) that doesn't change the fact that an attacker could turn your steering wheel or jam the breaks suddenly and cause you to wreck. So yeah, keep your head in the sand. That'll get you far.

 

[jetsaholic]

It's not the GPS but the remote network connection. Yes, GPS is a feature of a unit but only the network connectivity is important. This sort of feature is coming standard on many vehicles now. So while whatever you drive now may not have it it's likely that your next car will. Also, even if you're able to find your next vehicle in a manual transmission (I assume you'll be driving sports cars forever) that doesn't change the fact that an attacker could turn your steering wheel or jam the breaks suddenly and cause you to wreck. So yeah, keep your head in the sand. That'll get you far.

First of all, FUKC YEAH I'M GONNA DRIVE SPORTS CARS FOREVER!!!!!!

Second, Uconnect's remote network connectivity only applies to vehicles with the infotainment touchscreen on it, that's what I meant to say. Listen, hombre, I'm Puerto Rican, I generalize: the dash thing? It's a GPS.

Third, it's not like I don't acknowledge that this is real, I just don't care.

 

[Game_Day_Sports]

It would make NASCAR more exciting if this took place. Jr's stuck behind Gordon. Watch this y'all. Oooh Gordon's into the wall on the practice lap.

 

[jetsaholic]

It would make NASCAR more exciting if this took place. Jr's sucking Gordon's schlong. Watch this y'all. Oooh Gordon oozed all over Jr's face and Jr loved it.

FIFY.

 

[UCF w00t]

First of all, FUKC YEAH I'M GONNA DRIVE SPORTS CARS FOREVER!!!!!!

Second, Uconnect's remote network connectivity only applies to vehicles with the infotainment touchscreen on it, that's what I meant to say. Listen, hombre, I'm Puerto Rican, I generalize: the dash thing? It's a GPS.

Third, it's not like I don't acknowledge that this is real, I just don't care.

Those "dash things" are standard features in many cars now. Also, while this one relied on Chryler's uconnect to be hackable, GM has been shipping OnStar, which theoretically enables this sort of hack, for years without gps or dash thingys. My truck came standard without nav but with the dash thingy and onstar. Even sports cars like the Corvette, Camaro, and mustang come with this stuff standard. So good luck keeping your head in the sand and avoiding this stuff. I guess you could try pulling the fuse or something on the unit but that may have other side affects.

 

[jetsaholic]

Those "dash things" are standard features in many cars now. Also, while this one relied on Chryler's uconnect to be hackable, GM has been shipping OnStar, which theoretically enables this sort of hack, for years without gps or dash thingys. My truck came standard without nav but with the dash thingy and onstar. Even sports cars like the Corvette, Camaro, and mustang come with this stuff standard. So good luck keeping your head in the sand and avoiding this stuff. I guess you could try pulling the fuse or something on the unit but that may have other side affects.

Those are muscle cars, not sports cars. I can't respect you right now.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

Sports car forever? Jets drives a Fiat?

 

[sk8knight]

Those are muscle cars, not sports cars. I can't respect you right now.

Please tell me you drive a Miata. Or a Sky.

 

[jetsaholic]

I drive a 0-60 in 5 seconds European hot hatch.

 

[SublimeKnight]

Apparently there is a waiver to the DMCA being considered by the US copyright office to make it legal to "hack" the CAN bus on vehicles you own... or in the view of the owner, repair your own car. Until this waiver is granted it is illegal for you to mess with your car's computer or to sell equipment to that did.

So what a coincidence that Chrysler hired "hackers" to demonstrate the terrible danger the public is under if CAN bus messages were allowed to be published. Let's not worry about the threat to their huge service profits, it's really about the public's safety.

 

[jetsaholic]

Apparently there is a waiver to the DMCA being considered by the US copyright office to make it legal to "hack" the CAN bus on vehicles you own... or in the view of the owner, repair your own car. Until this waiver is granted it is illegal for you to mess with your car's computer or to sell equipment to that did.

So what a coincidence that Chrysler hired "hackers" to demonstrate the terrible danger the public is under if CAN bus messages were allowed to be published. Let's not worry about the threat to their huge service profits, it's really about the public's safety.

Yeah, nobody's going to tell me if I can or can't do a EC-HPSI Stage 2 Euro Drive on my Abarth, especially after upgrading to a DV+ and a EC RT3 V4. Fukc that.

 

[SublimeKnight]

Yeah, nobody's going to tell me if I can or can't do a EC-HPSI Stage 2 Euro Drive on my Abarth, especially after upgrading to a DV+ and a EC RT3 V4. Fukc that.

I get it, it sounds ridiculous that you'd want to change the code on your car's computer. However it's like GM declaring that, for the sake of public safety, only their dealerships should be able to perform brake jobs. What do you think that would do to the price of a brake job, if the number of options were controlled and you weren't even allowed to do it yourself?
Cars are become more and more tied to their central computers. Look at a Tesla, the windows are even controlled by the computer. If something breaks you can't even legal diagnose it, if it involves looking a the bus data the computer spits out.

I read an article about the value of old John Deere farm equipment going up, because there's literally nothing a farmer can fix on a new tractor. They've locked them into service contracts without competition and their productivity is at the mercy of the availability of service techs if anything goes wrong.

 

[jetsaholic]

I get it, it sounds ridiculous that you'd want to change the code on your car's computer. However it's like GM declaring that, for the sake of public safety, only their dealerships should be able to perform brake jobs. What do you think that would do to the price of a brake job, if the number of options were controlled and you weren't even allowed to do it yourself?
Cars are become more and more tied to their central computers. Look at a Tesla, the windows are even controlled by the computer. If something breaks you can't even legal diagnose it, if it involves looking a the bus data the computer spits out.

I read an article about the value of old John Deere farm equipment going up, because there's literally nothing a farmer can fix on a new tractor. They've locked them into service contracts without competition and their productivity is at the mercy of the availability of service techs if anything goes wrong.

Shit, dude, you thought I was being sarcastic??? LOL, no!!!!! I'm doing that to my car and then some and there ain't nobody that's going to tell me I can't. I can change my own brakes, spark plugs, oil, way better than most car techs, a.k.a. UTI "students" too. I've read about this proposal and it is the stupidest thing I've read since Machater02's last post.