Helfrich out at Oregon? Frost??? Taggart? see below
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ESPN just certainly did right as we speak. However, I just don't think it's a good match at this time. I fully expect Frost back in 2017. He will need to be at least 8-4 next year for him to leave, so we win either way.
UCF is a great opportunity, even for a G5 school. I truly think it's all about money.
UCF better get ready for a 3 million dollar salary, but it may take 4-5 mil. Time to sell beer at games.
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I wish that they would rank the top
coaching jobs in the FBS of possible. I would think that UCF is a top 30-40. at least.
I don't think programs like Maryland, Rutgers, Vandy, Cincinatti, Memphis, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Kansas, Mississippi St., Purdue, are any better.
I would seriously question whether teams like Iowa St, Indiana, Baylor, are better either. Howabout Arkansas?? NC State?? Probably a bit better coaching opportunity than UCF.
coaching jobs in the FBS of possible. I would think that UCF is a top 30-40. at least.
I don't think programs like Maryland, Rutgers, Vandy, Cincinatti, Memphis, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Kansas, Mississippi St., Purdue, are any better.
I would seriously question whether teams like Iowa St, Indiana, Baylor, are better either. Howabout Arkansas?? NC State?? Probably a bit better coaching opportunity than UCF.
Oregon has never really played good defense. I went and looked at the NCAA stats and they typically had defenses ranked 50-75, with a few years of cracking the top 50. They have had a long string of very solid college QBs and then Mariotta was just stellar. A few years of struggle at the QB position and the gimmick is over. Take note. It's exactly what I have always feared will happen to us. If we don't play defense and find good to great QB play we're cooked because of the way this offense is executed. That or the coach actually has to play to the game situation, which he stubbornly did not do many times this season. We're going to find out real quick if this staff can coach defense because it's going to be pretty much a whole new set of guys out there next year. I get the situation and have always said I'll start really judging him during season 2. When I say judging him I mean his coaching. Players come and go and we all see that the record can bounce up and down because of that. What is most important is seeing the system in place and being properly executed. I can see this offense being special if we can execute better. We'll just have to wait and see about defense.
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This one does:
http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/gallery/oregon-coaching-candidates-rumors-chip-kelly-pj-fleck-helfrich-ducks-mcelwain-frost-lane-kiffin-112916
Scott Frost
"The UCF head coach took a winless team to 6-6 in a single season — his first as a head coach. He was Helfrich's offensive coordinator and has shown he has the head coaching chops to land a job like Oregon. Would Oregon want to continue the Kelly-Helfrich line?
Would Frost leave a good job like UCF after only one season?"
Whoever wrote this never watched a game we played. I wouldn't say he has "head coaching chops" yet. That staff made a lot of bad coaching decisions during games. I think we're safe with him for two more years because we still have to find a capable QB, and college football is all about the QB position.
Helf was hired with no head coach experience. Just because his reign faded out, doesn't mean Frost can step into albeit a set up that needs to be improved versus building from ground zero.
You never know what's going to happen, but Frost isn't a dumb guy. He sees that 37-16 gets you fired at Oregon. 37-16 at UCF gets you a statue.
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Nor should it, Frost needs to prove he belongs before destination programs come calling. Go 8-4 next year, and he may start being looked at.
UCF is a good place to hone your coaching skills. Decent G5 recruiting and support, fairly reasonable expectations (just not on this message board), young school with little in the way of booster interference. He stays here for a couple more years, then moves on. No way we can compete with the money from the P5 programs
I don't think Frost is going anywhere... I do like our chances to pull some of Oregon's commits though.
One could just as easily argue that Oregon's record collapsed because Frost left. Remember, we haven't yet seen Frost's first full recruiting class perform.
Like Frost had little use for many of GOL's recruits (too big or slow), Dawkins couldn't use slower players like Adonis and Justin in his faster offense and more aggressive defense schemes.
However, As I said from the beginning, the hit-the-ground-running winner was Dawkins, who inherited quality, experienced players who underperformed because Donny was a much better recruiter than coach. Imagine how outstanding we'd be had Chance and A.J. been healthy for November player!
Like Frost had little use for many of GOL's recruits (too big or slow), Dawkins couldn't use slower players like Adonis and Justin in his faster offense and more aggressive defense schemes.
However, As I said from the beginning, the hit-the-ground-running winner was Dawkins, who inherited quality, experienced players who underperformed because Donny was a much better recruiter than coach. Imagine how outstanding we'd be had Chance and A.J. been healthy for November player!
Just had a quick look at their commit list and clicking on a few, we're not recruiting any of them. There's even a TE from IMG committed to Oregon, with a long offer list, and we're not on it. Strange considering we're supposedly now "Oregon East", that we're not competing with Oregon for east coast players that fit the system.
The talk on the radio this morning was Lane Kiffin. They were saying Oregon needs to reinvent themselves and may go in a totally different direction than the read-option / up tempo offense.
That could go south quickly and then in a year or two might try to recapture what they had by going with (hopefully hugely successful) Frost.
Not surprising. In addition to the top national prospects that are still way out of our non-P5 league chances, western schools rely on SoCal where I'm originally from, just like the "southwest" and western midwest relies on Texas and the entire East depends on Florida. Football remains a 3 region market array north-south (the same reason the Gulf Coast of Florida is populated by I-75 migrants while our state's Atlantic coast is I-95 transplants; or spring breakers travel down these same north-south routes to Palm Springs, Cal or San Marco Island, Texas or FL panhandle beaches or Daytona Beach, FL depending on where they live up north).
I don't think Kiffin was a great coach his first time around. He is a good recruiter (he recruited a super hot wife). I think he has learned a lot from Saban and will be much more effective the second time around. A defense oriented team that can control the ball (and recruit to a school like Oregon) will wipe up in the silly offenses of the Pac 12. Just look at Colorado.
Washington will be good for a while, because Chris Peterson is a genius at using the talent he has and designing around that. That's actually something Alabama is very good at obviously. I'm not sure how much Saban designs the offense, but Kiffin must have learned some of it. I think he is their best bet or maybe Les Miles.
I know it's P5, but has Frost said anything at all about Oregon being nirvana? I don't follow his every word so this is an honest question. I know there's ties of "this was my biggest opportunity" but does that really mean anything? Wouldn't any P5 job be just as attractive to him?
When Frost is not in danger of leaving: Frost's in game decisions suck!
Oregon coach get fired: DON'T LEAVEEEEEEEEE
Oregon coach get fired: DON'T LEAVEEEEEEEEE
Double-edged sword. The other side of which makes players second guess coming to play for a guy who may be gone by their sophomore/junior year.
The sooner they hire someone the better for our recruitment. This position should be filled quickly and Frost most likely will NOT be the one selected.
With AJ, Chance and Adonis this team would be scary good, a contender for the league title. Now Adonis is redshirting in St. Louis.
He sort of used it as the first wave of recruiting last year 'oregon style' but he also has repeatedly said how far they were from the Recruiting hotbeds & how excited he was at the prospects of recruiting to a Campus in the middle of Florida trying to convince kids to stay home and play in an exciting wide open offense
The Oregon job is going to become more challenging now that Washington has risen up in the North Division with Petersen.
Yep. Frost isn't going anywhere but a school like UCF where he is 1.) in a recruiting hotbed. 2.) has a resource advantage over other schools on his schedule. Just like Tom Herman. There are only a few of those schools in the P5.
Washington is a much more attractive option than Oregon. There isn't room for more than one power in the pacific NW. Washington has been traditionally it, and it looks like they've reclaimed that distinction.
yeah we've been on the same page when that topic came up on this board, mainly about Nebraska.
I don't even think he would be that eager to coach at Nebraska bc of the recruiting challenges. Without a Power 5 Invite anytime soon if he leaves UCF I see it being to places like Florida(worst nightmare), Georgia, Texas A&M, UCLA
Frost is too busy getting his CDL so he can drive a bus....
other than talk on this board does anyone know if D. White is seriously considering this for next season? With the tailgate vs in stadium atmosphere gap I think it's time
The difference is that few thought the firing was likely. And it clearly wouldn't have occurred if he'd beat pushover Oregon St. or even had a reasonable plan to go forward. The buyout price was too high and they had nobody to replace him.
despite being a borderline Top 25 team this year I think Taggart is a little overrated. Great recruiter but a job like Oregon needs an elite level X&Os(not Taggart) Coach to balance out the talent gap compared to Programs like USC that they will never be able to out recruit bc of Location. He's a good fit at USF where he can simply out athlete every Program but Houston & UCF most seasons.
His defense was crap this year but ever since he ditched his Stanford power run offensive scheme and hired offensive guru Joe Kinnan to run the spread they have been great on offense. Makes you wonder if they had done that sooner they may have scored more than 17 touchdowns in his sophomore season with the bulls and won more than 4 games.
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A plan involving beer sales in more seating areas was strongly being considered as of a few weeks ago. Don't know what the final decision was and I would not want to divulge any more details. Other forum members could confirm
I think that the existence of this issue is good publicity for our program. Recruits can more readily get a sense that Frost is widely respected in the college coaching ranks.
The overall interviewing/hiring of coaches from the AAC is building a case that it has P6 ability. Herman, Taggart and Frost all viewed as P5 coaching material. They can't keep poaching us while maintaining that we should be on a lower level.
