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MACHater02

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A neighbor a few blocks away is doing target practice in his yard. I live in a normal residential neighborhood.

Should this be legal?


ST PETERSBURG, FL (WFLA) - The Lakewood Estates neighborhood is filled with families and children. On any given day, you'll see kids climbing trees and playing on swing sets.


That's why news of a residential gun range did not sit well with neighbors.


"I don't know if this idiot is going to start popping off rounds," said Patrick Leary. "I'm furious."

Moms and dads are extremely upset after their 21-year-old neighbor, Joseph Carannate, told them he built a homemade gun range.

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I'm probably wrong, but it's my understanding (again, probably wrong) that as long as you contain it on your own property you can do this. Once a single bullet leaves your property there are issues. Again, probably wrong, but that's my understanding
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Originally posted by USFSucks:
I'm probably wrong, but it's my understanding (again, probably wrong) that as long as you contain it on your own property you can do this. Once a single bullet leaves your property there are issues. Again, probably wrong, but that's my understanding
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you are correct.. same way as in the great state of Virginia
 
It's legal for now but I'm sure they can ding him on noise violation or something.

Honestly this is why Simunition would be a good product for the general public. You can fire FX marking rounds most anywhere which have very little sound report and the projectile is essentially a plastic enclosure with paint. I have demo kits for my work and have shot them in the garage before without anyone noticing.

I'd be curious to know if the police did an Inspection of his backstop to assure its thick enough for a 147 gr bullet.
 
Im sorry that shit looks dangerous. If I were a neighbor Id be mad as hell too. He needs a real back stop. He could easily get a load of fill dirt pretty cheap, and make a proper back stop.
 
The article says nothing about the surroundings other than "residential neighborhood." Is his target in a direction where there is nothing behind it so when he misses the target there is little risk? Are they 0.1 acre lots or 5 acre lots? Does he back up to a lot of woods or another house? I have a half acre and would never even consider setting up a range, regardless of it's legality, and think it irresponsible if you did. I would be pissed if my neighbor's set up a gun range.
 
A 9mm round will travel on avearge 1,800 meters of nearly 2,000 yards. Some can travel further depending on projectile size,angle, velocity, etc

That means that a projecitle can travel over 1 mile if unimpeded.

There are few places in St Pete that would have that type of stand off distance between houses, population cneters, business parks, etc

More than anything, the guy is an asshole. There are no shortages of gun ranges in St Pete.
 
Techincally it's legal but he seems like he can be shamed into stopping. I doubt this type of attention is going to be worth his shitty little firing range when there are gun ranges nearby.

I'm about as pro gun as they come but I think it's absurd that it's legal to fire on any private property no matter what they stand off distance is between you and the next house.

It's also insanely risky for the person firing the weapon. If one bullet finds its' way off that property, you can be arrested and sent to jail.
 
Originally posted by MACHater02:

It's a normal sub-division. He has neighbors on both sides and behind.
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Yeah eff that, this guy is a total retard.

1. Gun fire is annoying as hell to anyone who isn't shooting. You have to live next to these people all day everyday. Why would you want to piss them off constantly??
2. The houses are so close it wouldn't take much to really eff up and hit someone or property. There are like 3+ houses in the line of fire, I'd be super pissed too. Shit, I'd go outside and shoot the side of my house and blame it on him so his ass gets arrested or something.
3. If you do miss and kill/hurt/damage someone or something, your ass is going to jail.
4. I think I'm a pretty good shot but I'd still miss that target at least once over time.
5. That redneck engineering backstop isn't stopping shit. plywood may as well be paper and the amount of sand most likely isn't enough unless you hit dead nuts center of mass.
6. Perhaps they can get him on leaving toxic ass lead laying around to be absorbed by the water table.
 
The toxic lead angle is a dead end. They've covered that by statute.

The best bet is going after him for private nuisance for the noise. Just because the activity is lawful, does not mean that it doesnt infringe on the use and enjoyment of adjoining properties.

If they had the money, I would buy a huge construction lighting boom and train it on his house so he couldn't sleep at night.

But hey, that's just me.
 
How the hell is that even legal?! I just looked at the map, hes got people directly behind him. The police need to step in and stop this before someone gets killed.
 
Passed a couple of years ago. Its only illegal if the firearm is discharged recklessly or negligently. State law prohibits any local government from passing restrictions on florida firearms law that are more stringent than the state. However, if it is a deed restricted community, they could prohibit it -- and likely will.

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Originally posted by HuffyCane:
Passed a couple of years ago. Its only illegal if the firearm is discharged recklessly or negligently. State law prohibits any local government from passing restrictions on florida firearms law that are more stringent than the state. However, if it is a deed restricted community, they could prohibit it -- and likely will.
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This seems pretty damn reckless IMO.
 
Originally posted by HuffyCane:
Passed a couple of years ago. Its only illegal if the firearm is discharged recklessly or negligently. State law prohibits any local government from passing restrictions on florida firearms law that are more stringent than the state. However, if it is a deed restricted community, they could prohibit it -- and likely will.
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That's an insanely idiotic law.

Given how shitty that backstop is, one upward break of the muzzle from recoil suddenly becomes a reckless discharge.

That's all it takes to put a bullet above the backstop and into the next hosue or community.

Someone should set up a backstop whereby you'd be firing directly in the direction of the side of his house. Let's see how comfy he is with the idea then.
 
As someone mentioned, I think they're hoping they can shame the kid out of using this. He told the president of our neighborhood association that he was tired of paying $50 a month to a range. He also told her he planned to use several guns including his AR, though he told the reporter he only plans to use his 9mm. Regardless i'm thinking this Saturday should be interesting. Between his neighbors and the private driving range a block over their will be some pissed off people.
 
MAC- it seems Kriseman is going to step in and stop this, regardless of current state law, and he has the NRA Lobbyist on his side.



"The whole idea is so nutty that even the National Rifle Association's own lobbyist Marion Hammer doesn't support it.


She said the part of the statute dealing with reckless and negligent use of guns was added specifically to prohibit the discharge of weapons in neighborhoods.



"I have to side with the mayor on this,'' Hammer wrote in an email. "Shooting ranges don't belong in dense residential neighborhoods and, in fact, nothing in the law allows them.''

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/romano-backyard-gun-ranges-8212-a-dumb-idea-brought-to-you-by-your/2216120
 
Originally posted by UCFKnight85:


MAC- it seems Kriseman is going to step in and stop this, regardless of current state law, and he has the NRA Lobbyist on his side.



"The whole idea is so nutty that even the National Rifle Association's own lobbyist Marion Hammer doesn't support it.


She said the part of the statute dealing with reckless and negligent use of guns was added specifically to prohibit the discharge of weapons in neighborhoods.



"I have to side with the mayor on this,'' Hammer wrote in an email. "Shooting ranges don't belong in dense residential neighborhoods and, in fact, nothing in the law allows them.''

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/romano-backyard-gun-ranges-8212-a-dumb-idea-brought-to-you-by-your/2216120
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Nice! We'll have to see what happens this week.
 
I love Marion. I consider her a friend. But when the NRA says that the law must allow you to do something, be very afraid.
 
I live on 5 acres which would be considered rural (I consider it semi-rural) but I would never shoot on my property. The people across the street do it all the time and I hate it. Just last weekend they were setting off gas bombs that were shaking the whole freaking house and sending up mini mushroom clouds. I keep a damn .308 pointed in that direction at all times.
 
"I completely understand where they're coming from. But you know we all take chances in our lives. You could get in your car and never be heard from again. It's just one of those things that our forefathers founded this country on shooting guns and being safe and we're allowed to have them," said Carannante.


Update: Radio station 102.5 has given him a pass to a range in exchange for him dismantling his target and he has agreed.
This post was edited on 2/4 12:29 PM by MACHater02
 
Originally posted by MACHater02:

"I completely understand where they're coming from. But you know we all take chances in our lives. You could get in your car and never be heard from again. It's just one of those things that our forefathers founded this country on shooting guns and being safe and we're allowed to have them," said Carannante.


Update: Radio station 102.5 has given him a pass to a range in exchange for him dismantling his target and he has agreed.
This post was edited on 2/4 12:29 PM by MACHater02
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Sucks a radio station had to step in like this. But hopefully this is the end of that story.
 
I'm sorry but this jackass easily had $50 to spare for a monthly range fee if it was THAT important to him.

Hell, my range membership is $13 a month and a whopping $3 per range day.

I guess The Bone helped resolve the matter but it's really just rewarding him for being a dick.
 
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