Hey shuckster
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"Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer arrive with an appropriate amount of skepticism about the statements he makes."
Its tough trying to ignore the fact that Tucker Carlson is a lying sack of shit long enough to pay attention to what bullshit he's spewing THIS time. After stomaching his usual crap -- like him saying early in the video that the REAL issue we should have all been talking about with George Floyd's murder was that George was unemployed! -- we get to Tucker's take on the "lack of diversity" when it comes to the role big money plays in obtaining an Ivy League education.
In essence, Carlson's take was this: If you rich elite liberals are going to try sinking the boat for us elite rich conservatives, we're going to see that you guys go down in the same boat with us!!!
But Tucker's spiel did serve to highlight the point that an lvy League higher education continues to be one of America's pillars of rich white privilege, regardless of your politics.
In essence, Carlson's take was this: If you rich elite liberals are going to try sinking the boat for us elite rich conservatives, we're going to see that you guys go down in the same boat with us!!!
But Tucker's spiel did serve to highlight the point that an lvy League higher education continues to be one of America's pillars of rich white privilege, regardless of your politics.
I thought he did a pretty damn good job of pointing out their hypocrisy. You want diversity, but only for everyone else.
But let's be crystal clear here: this is not a 'leftie vs rightie' issue. The system benefits ALL rich families, almost entirely White ones, be they big Democrat or big Republican donors.
The fact is the ivys have such uber-rich endowments that they can give away enough full-ride scholarships so they can pretend to the world that they're all for diversity.
Unfortunately, Tucker, Hannity and Fox news is only interested in feeding red meat to the conservative sheep that follow. This video did highlight to me where Dr. Knightline get's his constant droll of "Woke". He get's brainwashed by Fox news.
Obviously, he's not even making a real attempt to resolve an issue. Swapping elite education society with immigrants is just a tiresome attempt to generate non productive dialogue. He's "Trolling". You know it, we all know it.
I do think there is a real issue that should be discussed. Is diversity a goal that will benefit society. Yes, I believe it is, but you will not get there by tearing down Harvard. Options such as free community college, vocational school etc... are interesting ideas. It starts by lifting up gradually. You get a first generation college graduate, then their children have a better life and get better educations. I certainly have set my child up for better opportunity than I had. I attended UCF and made the most of it. I never for a moment considered Princeton. She will. Can you break that cycle making $7.25 /hour. No.
Do you do it by mandatory quotas. I don't think so but we have to acknowledge that there are those with real privilege and those will real disadvantages.
I don't watch a whole lot of Tucker, but one thing I've noticed about him is that he rails on the 2 class society more than he does on left-right issues. I would think everyone agrees that this is the real problem.
Soooooo, which party is most responsible for protecting this 2 class society?
But, let me guess, the alternative to addressing many of these government-sanctioned and government-blessed inequities that perpetuate this 2 class society is (gasp!) SOCIALISM!!! Omigawd, we can't allow THAT commie shit, right guys?
I've always marveled at the rich elite's ability to use the culture wars to manipulate MILLIONS of Americans to vote against their own financial interests.
Not everything has to be viewed through the lens of politics.Soooooo, which party is most responsible for protecting this 2 class society?
But, let me guess, the alternative to addressing many of these government-sanctioned and government-blessed inequities that perpetuate this 2 class society is (gasp!) SOCIALISM!!! Omigawd, we can't allow THAT commie shit, right guys?
I've always marveled at the rich elite's ability to use the culture wars to manipulate MILLIONS of Americans to vote against their own financial interests.
I wholeheartedly agree with that. I was simply noting that when efforts are made to attempt to address the built-in advantages the upperclass of our society have carved out for themselves and their business interests, it's always characterized as 'radical socialism.'
In today's world, being labeled a socialist simply means you're for the little guy rather than the big dawgs trying to hold on to their power, money, and influence.
And ironically, being called a populist or a libertarian somehow means you are a radical. Maybe now that we are printing money and sending out checks to people, the population will start to demand more for themselves and less for the elites.
I thought Jon Stewart nailed him 15 years ago.
But he also nailed the media at large and that hasn’t changed.
Tucker is older and wiser now. He says some things that are true and need to be said. He also still shills for the party and the channel. He is slightly smarter than most of the folks at CNN and more palatable than Hannity, but is still so ideologically driven that it’s hard to trust him. But that’s entertainment news...
But he also nailed the media at large and that hasn’t changed.
Tucker is older and wiser now. He says some things that are true and need to be said. He also still shills for the party and the channel. He is slightly smarter than most of the folks at CNN and more palatable than Hannity, but is still so ideologically driven that it’s hard to trust him. But that’s entertainment news...
Naw. Despite its popularity with Americans, Fox News will tell their audience that the straight party vote for the stimulus bill that will put more money in people's pockets is a clear sign that the 'radical left' and their socialist policies are in charge now.
Ironically, when we're talking about similar 'stimulus' bills designed to put more money in the hands of the rich and entitled by cutting their tax commitments, that's NOT socialism at all, by golly, that's somehow a totally different deal.
I'm willing to bet that the only part of the stimulus bill that is widely popular is the individual checks. Do you think the majority of Americans support the idea of paying off the debts of racial minority farmers?
Hannity totes the party line, and is Fox News' version of MSNBC's Maddow. The two have combined for endless conspiracy theories from the fringe.
But Tucker is a free thinker, even if I disagree with him many times. Don't put him in the same basket as Hannity, or Maddow for that matter.
You're also ignoring the number of Liberals at Fox News now, as they've been blacklisted as 'not far left enough' for the Mainstream media. Williams was just the beginning a decade ago.
My grandmother was the third woman to graduate from Cornell . My grandfather was a Penn man. My dad went to Lebanon Valley College . He earned a chemistry degree and his buddy went on to invent Lexan. I slummed it and went to UCF. lol.
Diversity should not be the goal. Merit should be the goal. I want the best and strongest fireman to save my butt ,not hire somebody to have a diverse fire department. I want the best pilot flying the plane ,I want the best doctor healing me. I want the best builder building my home. Diversity has no place when you seek to get the best . Women can be the best at some of those things. Certianly black, hispanic,asian ,native American can be the best . We should push merit. Where you want diversity is in the realm of ideas . Diversity of ideas lead to innovation and discovery.
The fact is two of the biggest Harvard drop outs are running the world , Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. These guys are pushing the diversity thing when they should be leading the charge of entrepreneurial spirit, American opportunity and if we can do it, so can you.
Lastly, I will say this. I am a compassionate person. I work to help those who are truly less fortunate,the mentally challenged. My son has half a brain, literally. He had a massive stroke and it nearly killed him and it did destroy his occipital lobe. While I give time, money and even hired an Autistic young man,I have such little patience with all those claiming to be a victim. They are healthy, they have skills ans talent And they can make real choices for their future. They are not disabled in anyway except in their attitude . They blame everyone else for their bad life choices. I am exhausted by it all. I get up every day with a positive attitude and I wake up helping my now 21 year old son to get out of bed, walk to the toilet,pull his pants down so he can urinate on the toilet with dignity. I shower him, dress him,brush his teeth and feed him .. I am blessed to carve out a life where I get to help my boy every day. I look at half our country who complain daily at what they don't have or how the dominate culture keeps them down and I shake my head. They have no idea what it means to be healthy one minute and near dead the next with their brain destroyed. I just can't take it anymore when people say they can't or won't when I walk in a world where my son genuinely can not.
sorry for that tangent but the rich elites do play by different rules and they are hypocrites.
And we're only giving them more power as grow the government they can control. And the new Davos message is to own nothing, but we'll all be happy.
Ownership and property is how people become independent of any such dependency. Yet we're making that increasingly difficulty for the 1st generation, which is why the American dream is dying.
> "this show being popular is hurting America"
> "i watch your show everyday"
did this retard really say that all in one segment?
This country was founded on the concept that private property ownership was necessary for freedom. The common phrase at the time was John Locke’s view that the purpose of government was to secure life, liberty, and property and that the three were necessary for a people to be considered free. Later in life, Locke penned the phrase, the pursuit of happiness, to describe being in a state where you not only live well but you do good things. This proposes that the individual having those things truly isn’t free unless they are not chained by them.
Being a fan of Locke, Jefferson chose the latter when writing the Constitution. In doing so, he acknowledges that individual property rights and ownership are key by evoking the phrase in the first place and then adds a duty to America to not only consider yourself but to also do good works that lead to overall happiness.
Some are trying to say that this means that you cannot have happiness until you give up property but that is twisting the meaning. I believe Jefferson was saying that the American ideal is to secure your own stability first and then give from that stability. And you cannot have stability if the place that you stand is owned by, and subject to the whims of, someone else. Especially if that someone else is a centralized Government.
Alllllllrightie!!!! So an Ivy or any other college or university with a highly selective admissions process just has to accept The Best students to do it right!!! We've got ourselves The Answer!!!
Let's play this thing out: Let's say you are sitting on an Admissions Committee which has 23,000 applicants for a freshman class limited to 2000 students. This is an elite school so let's assume that 90% of your applicants would, by most people's standards, be considered 'qualified' to attend college there. Then, let's say that 40% are in the top 5% of their high school class. And there is another 40% who are attending elite prep schools where you're told by the counselors that EVERY STUDENT there would be in the top 5% of a public school.
Another thing to consider before you start picking 'The Best,' the average SAT/ACT score of your applicants is well above the average of 95% of most universities. Given how competitive your applicants are, you probably should keep in mind the strength of each student's high school program of study. You know, reward those kids who really worked their butts off academically. For example, how many AP courses did each of your applicants challenge themselves with? However, you might want to be a bit careful not to discriminate against rural students or ones from poor urban schools who don't offer much in the way of advanced courses.
If you STILL haven't whittled your pool down to 2000, I suppose you might want to consider whether they're a total nerd or a well-rounded kid with many special talents -- or maybe even special stories if you're the sappy type.
But after that, picking The Best should be a breeze!!!* (*Disclaimer: Be prepared to cut your numbers even further 'cause your President will probably have a bunch of 'special exceptions' for you to stick in there too.)
I think Locke and Jefferson were two of the greatest minds to perhaps to have walked the earth in terms of governance. The key though is Jefferson was advocating for the pursuit of happiness, not the guarantee of it. We see this echoed in our Constitution where Madison writes in order to form a more perfect union , not perfect one ,a more perfect one which requires pursuit , work and such.
Over my 53 years of living I have realized the left and the media are selling an idea of equality means equality of outcome and if you don't have exactly what the next guy has then you have screwed. Life is perfect, nothing is guaranteed and we are not a perfect union. What Locke ,Jefferson and Madison were saying to me is the role of government is to provide a stable arena with the rule of law under which we are treated equally . This will provide the under pinnings in which as individuals we can pursue our lives in relative peace and freedom from government interference. We can chart our own course, make our stand and if we fail , we fail and if we succeed we succeed. Life is not about equality of outcome, it's about the pursuit of what drives us and have the freedom to go do it , what ever that it is.
I write about my disabled son because I see that young man struggle every day without complaint. He is happy . He is a joyful soul. My life is hard as is yours who ever is reading this. I had a career as a professional and I was able to shift gears and do something different so I could be a better dad. I get to take my son to work when I don't have care giver
I get to help him in the mornings and show up to work when ever I want. I get to do those things because I got to pursue things . I am one of 6 kids, who all went to college. I worked my way through . my parents didn't pay for any of it and I got the blessing of facing that struggle when I was young because it was preparing me for a greater struggle I could never imagine.
Getting places in life because of diversity alone in my opinion robs people . Do you not want to know the guy or gal operating on you became a doctor because they were talented and good or does it make you feel better they got admitted to medical school solely because they checked a box that makes people feel better? and if you are that person , do you want everyone else who met that standard and earned their way into the program look at you as less than ? look at you that the only reason you're here is because of a diversity agenda?
Hey Shuck,
my youngest grew up in rural western North Carolina. his high school gpa was a 3.70 and his SAT was 1,100. He like you indicated , had limited access to AP classes though he dual enrolled in his senior season in college classes. He applied to UCF, got wait listed and ultimately denied admission. He is at Seminole State in the UCF Direct Connect track.
If UCF admission felt he wasn't good enough to enter asa freshman then that's their call. I didn't agree with it but what could I do ? My point is if Cole was Colleen , a Cherokee student and had the exact same grades and test scores , should she then be admitted simply because she would be native American ? Or ,should Colleen also go to Seminole State and Direct Connect? If you want a color blind fair society judge a person on their character and merit not the diversity box they check . My son isn't letting UCF not admitting him to stop him.
To Tuckers monologue though , Diversity is for thee and not for me as long as you are poor is fairly accurate portrayal of Ivy league schools and elitist Democrats. They all decry school choice for kids trapped in sucky public schools meanwhile they send their kids to the best private schools available. The diversity hypocrisy is thick with the rich elitist left in our country.
Where do you get off assuming a Black doctor became one because "they checked a box"???!? Jesus, this is the very epitome of racism.
As you said, nothing is guaranteed and we are not a perfect union. What Locke ,Jefferson and Madison were saying is that we are all treated equally under the law. Yes, they said this back in the days of slavery but it doesn't make their words any less meaningful today.
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Far be it from me to put words in the UCF Admissions people's mouths, but when one applies to a school as popular as UCF, the issue sure as hell wasn't "this kid's not good enough." In addition to the factors I mentioned earlier, I'm betting that, as a state school, UCF is limited in the number of out-of-state students it can accept.
Oooooooh, so this was a DIVERSITY issue!!! This mythical Cherokee student ,who by-the-way, has the lowest admission rate by race of any group in this country, prevented your kid from going to UCF?
I have zero awareness of how UCF does things, nevertheless, I'd be willing to bet you my entire retirement nest egg that the 'less deserving' kids who were admitted to UCF that year were from rich donor parents and literally DWARFED any 'affirmative action' admits that you're evidently so obsessed over.
If Tucker Carlson had a point to make with his college admissions spiel, this was it.
Why can't you answer that question? Its not a gotcha. I'm just curious, since you've been involved in these processes in the past.
You might think you know something about me but its not appropriate to bring up those assumptions here. This is an anonymous message board.
As this thread and similar ones you and I have talked about in the past on our old board clearly illustrates -- I like talking about the subject and, do, in fact, have close friends who work in the field -- but that doesn't make me any expert.
As my previous posts should have already made clear, I believe there is no such thing as a racial 'quota.'
I guess I didn't see it as being clear as much as it seemed like you were avoiding the question. TBH, I've never heard someone claim that quotas aren't a real thing. Isn't that what affirmative action is?
