How can a society based on "science" continue to exist

[Crazyhole]

When science is constantly changing? Rules that change at the drop of a hat, reversals of norms and expectations on a yearly, if not monthly, basis.


It just sounds like a formula for chaos that people will ultimately get fed up with and reject, no matter how much propaganda is used.

 

[Ucfmikes]

 

[Crazyhole]

Trust the science but not the data. 🤔

Just look at how much the tone and approach of State and federal governments have changed since the spring. Relying on an ever changing science to create public policy is a recipe for either disaster or total authoritarianism. Then look at how much things have changed in regard to gender and sexuality in just a few years. Policy can't even keep up with that.

Society HAS to be built around something that is fundamentally sound and nearly unchangeable.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Since only you 2 lovers seem to be conversing. Is this going to be the latest circlejerk? 😂😂😂

 

[Crazyhole]

Since only you 2 lovers seem to be conversing. Is this going to be the latest circlejerk? 😂😂😂

You could involve yourself in the conversation. Most people that respond to threads have input about the subject.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Nah...just the same gifs over and over.

Kind of like Tweets that nobody ever reads 😂😂😂

 

[_glaciers]

Since only you 2 lovers seem to be conversing. Is this going to be the latest circlejerk? 😂😂😂

- he said to his wife's boyfriend when he wasn't invited to pillow talk

 

[DaShuckster]

When science is constantly changing? Rules that change at the drop of a hat, reversals of norms and expectations on a yearly, if not monthly, basis.

Wow. It's as if the governments of the world suddenly got hit with a brand-new, never-seen-before, highly contagious and deadly pandemic.

Governments grappled with how best to protect its citizens at the same time scientists around the world were desperately trying to figure this new virus out AND develop a vaccine to slow down its deadly effects.

Society HAS to be built around something that is fundamentally sound and nearly unchangeable.

That take might have been swallowable back in 2018, but today it falls under the 'Are you %$#@ kidding me?' category of responses.

 

[Ucfmikes]

- he said to his wife's boyfriend when he wasn't invited to pillow talk

You’ve been incoherent lately. You OK? Stroke maybe?

 

[Crazyhole]

Wow. It's as if the governments of the world suddenly got hit with a brand-new, never-seen-before, highly contagious and deadly pandemic.

Governments grappled with how best to protect its citizens at the same time scientists around the world were desperately trying to figure this new virus out AND develop a vaccine to slow down its deadly effects.

That take might have been swallowable back in 2018, but today it falls under the 'Are you %$#@ kidding me?' category of responses.

Don't look at this as a singular issue. It's an overarching observation about how a society can be held together.

Let's say you were to join a group of some sort based on a core set of beliefs. Then, the beliefs changed. And changed again. And again and again. Don't you think that eventually the members of that group, including yourself, would start to question what the group really stood for or meant?

 

[_glaciers]

You’ve been incoherent lately. You OK? Stroke maybe?

what happens between you three is none of my business, just keep it private.

 

[Ucfmikes]

what happens between you three is none of my business, just keep it private.

Bad read here, as usual. I’m straight.

Figures that @Crazyhole would like the post that just called him a homo. 😂

However, with a name like “glaciers,” starting thread/always referencing pedophilia, constantly coming to the rescue of your homosexual, celibate boyfriend, GOD only knows what is YOUR BUSINESS. Just keep it private.

Oh…, let me know if you need some rent money for all that space that I’m taking up in your head, pedo.

 

[_glaciers]

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

control your emotions, its not ladylike to get all flustered at strangers.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

If you want to believe in magic sky men with sons who roamed the earth with dinosaurs 2000 years ago because science should be eternally unchanging then go do that. But that’s not really how it works. Our base of knowledge is constantly changing. And should (and does) call for revisions to scientific conclusions and recommendations.

 

[chemmie]

Just when I think you guys couldn't possibly be any dumber...

I guess when half of the population is too stupid to realize how science actually works, it is a terrible "formula."

 

[Ucfmikes]

control your emotions, its not ladylike to get all flustered at strangers.

Just let me know whenever you do your pedo thing. I’ll try not to post during those times, since I’m in your head 24/7 and wouldn’t want you to be distracted

 

[UCFBS]

If you want to believe in magic sky men with sons who roamed the earth with dinosaurs 2000 years ago because science should be eternally unchanging then go do that. But that’s not really how it works. Our base of knowledge is constantly changing. And should (and does) call for revisions to scientific conclusions and recommendations.

^^^ Who are you arguing against?! Surely not us.

I don't believe in organized religion and I sure as heck had a lot of calculus-based physics and even economics! But I guess I'm a back-water Alabamian now, right?!

That's the problem with Progressives now, "You're either with us, or against us." They will oust top FDA experts and doctors alike, if they don't agree ... politically.

 

[chemmie]

^^^ Who are you arguing against?! Surely not us.

I don't believe in organized religion and I sure as heck had a lot of calculus-based physics and even economics! But I guess I'm a back-water Alabamian now, right?!

That's the problem with Progressives now, "You're either with us, or against us." They will oust top FDA experts and doctors alike, if they don't agree ... politically.

You forgot to tell us you're Libertarian, IT guy.

 

[Crazyhole]

You forgot to tell us you're Libertarian, IT guy.

You guys have the lamest insults.

 

[Ucfmikes]

You guys have the lamest insults.

Get a job you freeloader

 

[UCFBS]

You guys have the lamest insults.

Because they have no answers to why the pandemic is still on-going, and why the vaccinated are spreading the most for the past 6 months ... as they have been since June.

This is why the mandates continue to be a joke, just like our CDC and, sadly enough, the FDA after the exodus. Pharma CEOs define things now, not the FDA.

 

[_glaciers]

Just let me know whenever you do your pedo thing. I’ll try not to post during those times, since I’m in your head 24/7 and wouldn’t want you to be distracted

okay pedo

 

[DaShuckster]

Because they have no answers to why the pandemic is still on-going...

Yeeeeeaah, we have no clue why the pandemic continues to sweep through the unvaccinated chuds here in the good ol' USofA and abroad.

 

[Ucfmikes]

okay pedo

Okay pedo

 

[UCFBS]

Yeeeeeaah, we have no clue why the pandemic continues to sweep through the unvaccinated chuds here in the good ol' USofA and abroad.

It's not the unvaccinated that are spreading. That's the biggest lie. Vaccinated dominate the population, and they are now spreading the most.

And we're all tired of the claim that >>99% of people in the ICU or dying being the unvaccinated too. Sure, it's at least 80%, if not 90%. But it's not >>99%.

It's time for the non-sense to end, and the truth to be stated. But our US CDC is an international joke, so much so the US FDA doesn't use our own CDC or domestic statistics, because they are useless.

At some point, the lies have to end.

Most of the World’s Vaccines Likely Won’t Prevent Infection From Omicron

They do seem to offer significant protection against severe illness, but the consequences of rapidly spreading infection worry many public health experts.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Crazyhole]

Yeeeeeaah, we have no clue why the pandemic continues to sweep through the unvaccinated chuds here in the good ol' USofA and abroad.

But you have no clue why it continues to sweep through the vaccinated.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Sure, it's at least 80%, if not 90%. But it's not >>99%.

Hahahahaha!!!!!! Only “90%.”

 

[UCFBS]

Hahahahaha!!!!!! Only “90%.”

This is why you guys are jokes. I'm using accurate statistics on ICU and death. You, 85, Cubs, KTJoe and other assert >>99%. You're also ignoring the Booster arguments ...

Let alone the mandates.

The mandates have nothing to do with ICU/death. The mandates have to do with spread. You guys aren't wearing masks and not socially because you believe you cannot spread.

You're spreading just as much as the unvaccinated.

 

[Ucfmikes]

This is why you guys are jokes. I'm using accurate statistics on ICU and death. You, 85, Cubs, KTJoe and other assert >>99%. You're also ignoring the Booster arguments ...

Let alone the mandates.

The mandates have nothing to do with ICU/death. The mandates have to do with spread. You guys aren't wearing masks and not socially because you believe you cannot spread.

You're spreading just as much as the unvaccinated.

Show me one single post that I said that 99% of the ICU beds or deaths are unvaccinated

 

[Ucfmikes]

You're spreading just as much as the unvaccinated.

For the 10,000th time spread is irrelevant. We have told you this for months. Additionally, the spread is LESS IN THE VACCINATED. YOU HAVE SAID THIS YOURSELF IN MULTIPLE THREADS, so STOP LYING! IT’s a bad look for you to contradict YOURSELF

 

[Crazyhole]

For the 10,000th time spread is irrelevant. We have told you this for months. Additionally, the spread is LESS IN THE VACCINATED. YOU HAVE SAID THIS YOURSELF IN MULTIPLE THREADS, so STOP LYING! IT’s a bad look for you to contradict YOURSELF

Then what's with the mask mandates and lockdowns?

 

[UCFBS]

Show me one single post that I said that 99% of the ICU beds or deaths are unvaccinated

85 just re-asserted that last week, as did another. This is why the statistics have become a joke.

 

[Ucfmikes]

85 just re-asserted that last week, as did another. This is why the statistics have become a joke.

I doubt it’s THAT HIGH. AGAIN. Irrelevant

 

[Ucfmikes]

Then what's with the mask mandates and lockdowns?

I am not on lockdown and don’t wear a mask outside of work We already went over this

 

[UCFBS]

For the 10,000th time spread is irrelevant.

The entire reason for mandates is to reduce the spread! That's literally the argument! Why are you for mandates then?

We have told you this for months.

And yet you're still pushing mandates.

Additionally, the spread is LESS IN THE VACCINATED. YOU HAVE SAID THIS YOURSELF IN MULTIPLE THREADS, so STOP LYING! IT’s a bad look for you to contradict YOURSELF

Stop being a 3rd grader!

The spread with Delta (let alone Omicron) is the same, vaccinated or unvaccinated!

The only thing I conceded is that overall duration of disease may ultimately be reduced (infection may be the same though) because all vaccines are IgG-predominate in the blood, which prevents serious illness, which may reduce the duration -- although it does reduce the amount of IgA and IgM antibodies generated too.

That would explain why the secondary transmission, over time -- not intensity -- can be up to 25% lower. Secondary transmission is actual spread, not 'antibody levels,' which Pharma loves to use, just like 'viral shedding' prior (which was proven to mean jack by the FDA).

If we just based it on 'antibody levels,' then people who recover and have natural immunity would be useless. But we're finding -- proven, statistically -- is those who recover have the least secondary tranmission of all, despite 'antibody levels.'

Welcome to full-on, 100% Pharma marketing Mikey! Do you understand why the FDA experts, who are no longer with the FDA, utterly crossed not only Pfizer's CEO, but also the President of the United States?!

Seriously ... this is sheep'ism 101.

 

[Ucfmikes]

And yet you're still pushing mandates

I’m not pushing anything. You don’t listen

 

[Ucfmikes]

Stop being a 3rd grader!

The spread with Delta (let alone Omicron) is the same, vaccinated or unvaccinated!

The only thing I conceded is that overall duration of disease may ultimately be reduced (infection may be the same though) because all vaccines are IgG-predominate in the blood, which prevents serious illness, which may reduce the duration -- although it does reduce the amount of IgA and IgM antibodies generated too.

That would explain why the secondary transmission, over time -- not intensity -- can be up to 25% lower. Secondary transmission is actual spread, not 'antibody levels,' which Pharma loves to use, just like 'viral shedding' prior (which was proven to mean jack by the FDA).

If we just based it on 'antibody levels,' then people who recover and have natural immunity would be useless. But we're finding -- proven, statistically -- is those who recover have the least secondary tranmission of all, despite 'antibody levels.'

Welcome to full-on, 100% Pharma marketing Mikey! Do you understand why the FDA experts, who are no longer with the FDA, utterly crossed not only Pfizer's CEO, but also the President of the United States?!

Seriously ... this is sheep'ism 101.

Stop being an anti-vaxxer, anti-Big Pharma, parade float conspiracy theorist. That’s why nobody is listening to an IT specialist. It’s not a good look for you

 

[Ucfmikes]

The spread with Deltal is the same, vaccinated or unvaccinated!

Cite this with a study from a medical journal