https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/b...oyd-arrest/ar-BB16Mxfc?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
Guess who isn't getting convicted of murder: all of the cops involved.
Guess who isn't getting convicted of murder: all of the cops involved.
I can't breathe
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That information was already public record because the cops filed it in the report. So this doesn’t change the public narrative at all.
I still believe they are over charged, but also think they should be charged, for manslaughter or 3d degree murder. there was no excuse for holding him down for as long as they did, by the neck. esp with 3 officers on the scene.
"A struggle reportedly ensued between Floyd and the officers as they tried to escort Floyd to a police squad car. Floyd is heard saying "I can't breathe" for the first time as Lane and Kueng attempt to get him in the car."
I thought tidbit was pretty interesting.
I thought tidbit was pretty interesting.
Think about what that means for the narrative of why they were subduing him. That in itself pretty much eliminates the possibility of a 2nd degree murder charge.
WTF? The guy's having a panic attack and the cops' solution is to....fight him to the ground outside the police car??!?
Here's a crazy thought: Why not try to calm him down and have him breathe into a paper bag?
He would have to be calm enough to do that. A person having a panic attack probably can't pull that one off.
Sooooooooo....rather than attempt to calm this man down, three cops wrestle him to the ground and then restrain him with a choke hold?
This suspect was being arrested for forging a check. He peacefully obeys the cops until he's being pushed into the back of a police car and he starts exhibiting irrational fear and tells them he's claustrophobic.
These chud cops interpret this man's panic attack as "resisting arrest" and decide they're now justified to beat him to the ground, restrain him, and choke him to death?
Yeah, it's a real mystery why Minneapolis wants to restructure its law enforcement to bring trained professionals into the mix.
Sooooooooo....rather than attempt to calm this man down, three cops wrestle him to the ground and then restrain him with a choke hold?
This suspect was being arrested for forging a check. He peacefully obeys the cops until he's being pushed into the back of a police car and he starts exhibiting irrational fear and tells them he's claustrophobic.
These chud cops interpret this man's panic attack as "resisting arrest" and decide they're now justified to beat him to the ground, restrain him, and choke him to death?
Yeah, it's a real mystery why Minneapolis wants to restructure its law enforcement to bring trained professionals into the mix.
I thought he used a fake 20?
Nonetheless, the outcome certainly didn't meet the crime.
Sooooooooo....rather than attempt to calm this man down, three cops wrestle him to the ground and then restrain him with a choke hold?
This suspect was being arrested for forging a check. He peacefully obeys the cops until he's being pushed into the back of a police car and he starts exhibiting irrational fear and tells them he's claustrophobic.
These chud cops interpret this man's panic attack as "resisting arrest" and decide they're now justified to beat him to the ground, restrain him, and choke him to death?
Yeah, it's a real mystery why Minneapolis wants to restructure its law enforcement to bring trained professionals into the mix.
Well, yeah he was resisting arrest. I didn't think that was in question anymore. How Chauvin subdued him and for how long is the issue, not why. The crime that led to his arrest is irrelevant.
Floyd was clearly having a PANIC ATTACK for crying out loud!!!!
If these moron cops can't tell the difference between a panic attack and resisting arrest, they deserve a first degree murder charge.
I can see a prosecutor asking them why they didn't call for FD the first time that he said that in order to play up a series of policy violations resulting in a murder. Of course, that phrase is commonly heard by police officers as soon as they tell the suspect that they're going to be arrested. So the defense will claim that the suspect was lying the first time which made it hard to tell later what was a lie and what was the truth. Like I said on day 1, this isn't going to be a clean, cut-and-dried trial.
Good reason to not do meth. Regardless of why he was resisting arrest, he was in fact resisting arrest. If you're saying that Floyd didn't intend to resist arrest then the 2nd degree murder charge probably has to be immediately dismissed because Chauvin also didn’t intend to kill Floyd.
A suspect being arrested for a nonviolent offense is escorted to the police car without incident. Upon being put into the back of the car, he starts to panic and says he's claustrophobic.
The natural response is:
A) Exacerbate Floyd's condition by ignoring his pleas and visible panic attack and wrestle him into the car.
B) Allow him so stand up again outside by the car door and calmly work him through his anxiety attack.
Clearly there are a number of professional law enforcement officers who would have known how to handle this situation appropriately. But it also highlights the "FU, do as I say NOW!" attitude that too many a-hole cops like Chavin bring to their work everyday.
JMO, but that could be a double edged sword. For the 3rd degree charge, they'll have to argue depraved indifference. The defense can come back and say that they were concerned about the safety of Floyd being in the back of the squad car so they removed him due to their concerns over potential of harming himself and needed to subdue him for his own well being. That brings us back down to involuntary manslaughter. This is going to be a very interesting case to watch.
That's a great argument quite honestly. The question it brings up is whether the police felt that subduing him was the best course of action or if letting him stand there indefinitely was. At some point he has to be transported, so at what point is he just using tactics to delay his arrest? Fear isn't a quantifiable metric so I'm not sure how much traction that will get in court.
You're ignoring the regular occurrence that police encounter people saying whatever they can to try to get out of going to jail. Criminals lie. All the time. Why the public seems to always think police are lying and criminals are telling the truth is astounding.
With that said, the policies are changing and they're calling FD now on the first medical claim no matter what. I'm sure you think that's a great thing, but it's not necessarily that easy. While that officer is unnecessarily waiting for FD to show up in 99.999999% of these cases, that officer (and probably a backup as well) is now tied up in a call and cannot respond to anything else. So if shit breaks bad elsewhere, the response will be delayed and smaller than it could/should be. They're going to jail anyways, they're just prolonging the trip, endangering other people, and wasting taxpayer dollars with their lies.
Floyd was lying. The only thing wrong with him was that he was high on multiple drugs. He was just trying to get a ride to the hospital thinking that was going to keep him out of jail. He was a violent convicted felon on serious drugs that put himself and the police into a situation that didn't need to happen. This is fact.
From there, the question is whether the officers' actions were criminal and to what degree. But let's not sanitize who Floyd was in order to make it look like he had no role in that interaction at all.
And that right there is why none of the murder charges will stick. He lied about being claustrophobic and said he couldn't breathe before he was put in the squad car, so there was a reasonable doubt that when he said that while on the ground the officers should have believed him.
I think that Chauvin's handling of the situation warranted charges. I think that we'll see Chauvin go to jail on manslaughter. I don't think that they're going to be able to convict on all of them. The SCOTUS ruled in 2005 that police officers have no constitutional duty to protect a person from harm. So, even had Lane not asked Chauvin if they should do this or that, I don't know that he had a legal duty to remove Chauvin.
Is that right or wrong? I would hope that any reasonable officer would intervene if he thought that Chauvin was killing Floyd. But is there a legal duty to intervene, I don't know.
