I never want to hear the left complain about big pharma again

[Crazyhole]

The entire left has cucked themselves to Moderna and Pfizer. You have officially lost your ability and credibility when complaining about their profits and lobbying because now you are worshipping at their feet and demanding that everyone else should do the same.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

Who is the left and what were they saying that has you riled? Got any context?

 

[Cubs79]

The entire left has cucked themselves to Moderna and Pfizer. You have officially lost your ability and credibility when complaining about their profits and lobbying because now you are worshipping at their feet and demanding that everyone else should do the same.

Not really the same situation. Complaining about opiates and things of that nature, which cause a lot of harm, is not remotely the same thing as praising vaccines that have literally helped us go back to a normal lifestyle.

 

[Crazyhole]

 

[UCFBS]

The entire left has cucked themselves to Moderna and Pfizer. You have officially lost your ability and credibility when complaining about their profits and lobbying because now you are worshipping at their feet and demanding that everyone else should do the same.

A lot of true Liberals are literally saying this to the Progressive mainstream, and they are ignoring them. That they are utter hypocrites. And why? Trump, or anti-right, for the most part.

Although I did love it when Trump called for all pharma and insurance companies to have to publicly publish their rates and schedule. The left came out in defense of pharma and insurance companies. That will, forever, be the most laughable hypocrisy.

Who is the left and what were they saying that has you riled? Got any context?

Well you're oblivious.

I've been saying it from the get-go. That the left is so in-bed with the pharma that they are literally pushing yet more 'big business.' It's been a major problem with the left, they are only increasing inequality and giving them 'a pass.'

BTW, it's even worse in France and other countries. That's why we're seeing some regional agencies revolt, and then get utterly 'smacked down,' with national censorship after-the-fact.

 

[Crazyhole]

Has there ever been an experimental drug that you can get at Publix or Walgreens without consulting a doctor?

 

[UCFBS]

Has there ever been an experimental drug that you can get at Publix or Walgreens without consulting a doctor?

Yes, I do think there have been a few EUA drugs. But not at this mass distribution, no.

And, more importantly ... not given in violation of the FDA EUA requirements (illegal).

I.e., kids under 16 getting Pfizer vaccine before FDA EUA in May.

There will be hearings years from now about this. They'll be quiet ... unless it turns out there are a significant number of Americans harmed.

And the taxpayer will likely be on-the-hook once they pass a law for compensation ... if they do.

 

[UCFBS]

No. Never a push for a vaccine that isn't fda approved either.

That's what troubles me.

Everyone, especially younger, who is waiting for FDA Approval is an 'anti-vaxxer.' It's utterly different than existing, established vaccines with known risk factors and/or tests of complications. It doesn't help that much of the US Media is confusing EUA with Approval, and some are outright lying, saying it's 'approved' for anyone, much more under 16.

How pointing that out became 'anti-vax,' I don't know. Truth is truth, fact is fact.. Especially if you believe the EMA leaks about substandard vials being shipped in the first few months, because yields were piss-poor. Now, that said, efficacy against serious hospitalization (ICU) is now >=95% for the fully vaccinated, so it does mean yields are up.

But they don't seem to be >99% like the initial trials showed. That tells me that most people fully vaccinated didn't get the required purity in their vials. Whether that's due to yields or storage/transport issues, I don't know. In the latter case ...

While I trust doctors and even pharma production to 'do the right thing,' that doesn't stop ignorant technicians who transport, store and deliver a vaccine. So that could be why we're still seeing 3-5x the number of ICUs filled by the fully vaccinated than the trials found.

I'm still debating on the vaccine myself. I'm literally in and out of hotels, theme parks, sports events, etc. Figure I'll eventually get covid but I'm also pretty healthy at 45. Really not sure how I didn't get it in the last year.

Because while SARS-CoV-2, like any coronavirus, spreads worse than even Influenza-A strains, it doesn't actually 'infect' people at a high rate overall as even the CDC found.

For age 45, it's a tiny fraction of a single percentage point per exposure.

The 2 keys are ...

1. You need to be highly susceptible -- a healthy 45yo isn't, unless they are genetically predisposed (we're still reseraching the genetics)
2. You need to be in proximity of people spreading it -- especially for extended durations if they weren't infects or are only asymptomatic

You're probably still 'at-risk,' but if you're waiting for FDA approval, I'm not going to guilt you. I finally decided 45+ was 'worthy it,' but I'm not ready to tell everyone 25+ to get it.

I'm kinda against it being forced on anyone under 25 (0.2% of the dead and ICU visits), and definitely under 18 (0.04% of the dead and ICU visits) altogether. But no one should be telling parents what to do.

And parents should not keep their children from having a life any longer. SARS-CoV-2 is here to stay. Deal with it. It's the new 'Common Cold.' And yes, the prior Common Cold still kills ... even after 130 years.

 

[UCF11and1]

Now that the vaccine(s) are available to everybody, I don't really care about people getting it or not. I got vaccinated and all my extended family did too. If you don't want to get it, it is your problem. If you get sick and die, it is your problem too. Now the "it is the flu" statement is applicable.

Open the country fully and let natural selection work

 

[hemightbejeremy]

Now that the vaccine(s) are available to everybody, I don't really care about people getting it or not. I got vaccinated and all my extended family did too. If you don't want to get it, it is your problem. If you get sick and die, it is your problem too. Now the "it is the flu" statement is applicable.

Open the country fully and let natural selection work

I’ll still try to get people who can have the vaccine to get it. That way we can protect that poster with the heart condition or the one with the pregnant relative who’s doctors advised against it.

 

[UCF11and1]

I’ll still try to get people who can have the vaccine to get it. That way we can protect that poster with the heart condition or the one with the pregnant relative who’s doctors advised against it.

The anti-vaxxers don't get that so they are doomed (BTW, pregnant women can get the vaccine). Nothing we can do to protect people with medical issues that preclude vaccination because there is reasoning with the "hell no" group.

 

[UCFBS]

I’ll still try to get people who can have the vaccine to get it. That way we can protect that poster with the heart condition

And that's the problem I have right there!
100% assumption, 0% proof.
That lie needs to die.

If Pfizer, Modena, J&J and others actually showed reduced spread as a result of vaccination, including reduced infections, over asymptomatic, we'd be hearing all about it. We we have not. All they've been marketing is reduced disease and 'shedding,' of which does not reduce the spread.

Do Vaccines Stop Spread of COVID-19? What You Need to Know

Vaccines can provide immunity to COVID-19 disease, but can they also stop the virus from spreading?

time.com

QUOTE: '... If you’re protected, you can’t be infected, and if you’re not infected, then you can’t spread it to anyone else. And that’s true most of the time. But not all vaccines work that way, and it’s not actually what the two COVID-19 vaccines authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration—made by Moderna and Pfizer-BioNtech—are designed to do. Their effectiveness is measured by how well they protect people against moderate to severe COVID-19 disease—not how well they prevent infection or spread of the COVID-19 virus itself ...'​

People need to read the actual medical briefs and journals, not listen to 'popular Media/assumption.'

Others ...

Few Vaccines Actually Prevent Infection – Here's Why That's Not Actually a Problem

Meet 'sterilising immunity'.

www.sciencealert.com

Covid vaccines block disease, but do they stop infection?

As reports this week from Scotland and Israel—where much or most of the population have gotten COVID jabs—confirm that vaccines largely prevent people from getting sick, another question is emerging: do they also block infection?

medicalxpress.com

Why Even With Vaccines, Covid Will Always Be With Us
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...t-not-be-able-to-eliminate-covid-19-quicktake

Again ... and these are hardly right-wing/anti-vax outlets!

And again, no proof they even do this, and they are purposely not designed to! People are lying and then they will blame 'Big Pharma' when 'herd immunity' never happens, all while 'Big Pharma' has never claimed they stop the spread. In fact, they purposely 'dance around' it in their marketing.

Nothing we can do to protect people with medical issues that preclude vaccination because there is reasoning with the "hell no" group. The anti-vaxxers don't get that so they are doomed.

Sterilizing immunity is pretty much looking dead. That doesn't make me an 'anti-vaxxer.'

Brazil has crossed over 80% vaccinated. So the prior estimates of only 50-75% required for 'effective immunity' is pretty much also looking dead too.

Yet another @UCFBS prediction that came true. Why? I read the industry pubs.

But that won't stop the "Hell Yes" people saying we need 95%+, and blaming parents of 2 year-olds for the continued circulation of SARS-CoV-2.

OC43-CoV has not died off in 130 years, and was the #1 cause of the #1 respiratory killer of the Elderly and high risk before SARS-CoV-2. So SARS-CoV-2 is looking more and more like 'effective immunity' won't happen either.

or the one with the pregnant relative who’s doctors advised against it.

Wait?! I thought it was 'safe' for pregnant women like under 16 (let alone 12) year-old kids?

(BTW, pregnant women can get the vaccine).

I rest my case.

 

[UCFBS]

I'm moving all further responses to this thread, since I'm still the 'Messenger That Is Getting Shot.' Rejoice! I'm done in this thread.

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[ChrisKnight06]

I'm moving all further responses to this thread, since I'm still the 'Messenger That Is Getting Shot.' Rejoice! I'm done in this thread.

DELETE

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Better yet.....move all responses to all threads to one single thread.

 

[UCFBS]

Better yet.....move all responses to all threads to one single thread.

I'm moving responses of 4 threads to 1 new one, yes.

But if you guys would stop trolling, that would save 80% of the scrollbar, far more than I add. But do continue to troll and dodge the facts.

I'll now leave you to discuss both my livelihood and marriage.