I think this says it all about GOL not able recruit the players we needed

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

I know that GOL used a different offensive scheme but, he also could not recruit by himself without Kelly.

This was the ESPN interview with Frost:

Frost: “At Oregon, we’re jealous of people with a recruiting base right around their school,” Frost said. “We have to go a long way to get the kids at Oregon that we knew we needed to make that place go. This place has it right here. It’s right around here. We don’t’ have to drive more than two or three hours to get the kids that we need to run this system. This place has been successful before, so I know it can be successful. Coach O’Leary took them to a BCS game, so you can see that it can be done. This place has inherent advantages over a lot of teams it plays year in and year out in this conference. If the coaching staff can do a really good job and get the players to buy in, there’s a really high probability you can be successful.”

....I mean,
-you're in Florida,
-there are fast recruits here,
-they don't have to travel to Oregon,
-all they're friends and family can come to the game!
-home is close!
-we can pick up many recruits that the BIG 3 don't want!

Sorry, just re-hashing old crap! I just think that GOL couldn't do his job. No sugar coating! :-/

 

[HoseEmDown]

I know that GOL used a different offensive scheme but, he also could not recruit by himself without Kelly.

This was the ESPN interview with Frost:

Frost: “At Oregon, we’re jealous of people with a recruiting base right around their school,” Frost said. “We have to go a long way to get the kids at Oregon that we knew we needed to make that place go. This place has it right here. It’s right around here. We don’t’ have to drive more than two or three hours to get the kids that we need to run this system. This place has been successful before, so I know it can be successful. Coach O’Leary took them to a BCS game, so you can see that it can be done. This place has inherent advantages over a lot of teams it plays year in and year out in this conference. If the coaching staff can do a really good job and get the players to buy in, there’s a really high probability you can be successful.”

....I mean,
-you're in Florida,
-there are fast recruits here,
-they don't have to travel to Oregon,
-all they're friends and family can come to the game!
-home is close!
-we can pick up many recruits that the BIG 3 don't want!

Sorry, just re-hashing old crap! I just think that GOL couldn't do his job. No sugar coating! :-/

Please tell me again which local recruits GOL passed on for an out of state kid? We had back to back 10 win years and then a 9 win season with championships, he recruited well after Kelly. Kelly hurt the program more then he helped it with the sanctions we were under. Having to recruit 18 kids instead of 25 hurts, being short 25 or so kids over 4 years we lost out on 5 possible starters, 1 in 5 becoming a starter. We wouldn't have had to play as many kids as we did if we had that extra depth. It would be nice if local recruiting improved but there isn't a ton of top tier talent in this area, in the Sentinel super 60 about 10-15 are good enough to play for us but then you have the big programs getting first crack so maybe 3-4 are left if they want to stay close to home.

 

[SCKnight]

I know that GOL used a different offensive scheme but, he also could not recruit by himself without Kelly.

This was the ESPN interview with Frost:

Frost: “At Oregon, we’re jealous of people with a recruiting base right around their school,” Frost said. “We have to go a long way to get the kids at Oregon that we knew we needed to make that place go. This place has it right here. It’s right around here. We don’t’ have to drive more than two or three hours to get the kids that we need to run this system. This place has been successful before, so I know it can be successful. Coach O’Leary took them to a BCS game, so you can see that it can be done. This place has inherent advantages over a lot of teams it plays year in and year out in this conference. If the coaching staff can do a really good job and get the players to buy in, there’s a really high probability you can be successful.”

....I mean,
-you're in Florida,
-there are fast recruits here,
-they don't have to travel to Oregon,
-all they're friends and family can come to the game!
-home is close!
-we can pick up many recruits that the BIG 3 don't want!

Sorry, just re-hashing old crap! I just think that GOL couldn't do his job. No sugar coating! :-/

 

[firm_bizzle]

I saw that too. GOL and staff are traveling half the country when the recruits are right here.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Please tell me again which local recruits GOL passed on for an out of state kid? We had back to back 10 win years and then a 9 win season with championships, he recruited well after Kelly. Kelly hurt the program more then he helped it with the sanctions we were under. Having to recruit 18 kids instead of 25 hurts, being short 25 or so kids over 4 years we lost out on 5 possible starters, 1 in 5 becoming a starter. We wouldn't have had to play as many kids as we did if we had that extra depth. It would be nice if local recruiting improved but there isn't a ton of top tier talent in this area, in the Sentinel super 60 about 10-15 are good enough to play for us but then you have the big programs getting first crack so maybe 3-4 are left if they want to stay close to home.

Actually there were a few articles that I posted on local recruits that GOL passed up.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...ge-oleary-ucf-recruiting-20151026-column.html

From that aspect, some coaches were taken aback by his ways, and there are probably bridges that could use some mending with high-school programs across the area. Bargnare agreed he thinks UCF probably has a bad reputation among local high schools.

“I would say so, yeah. We have a lot of talent here locally, and there are barely any people around here with an offer from [UCF], and we're Central Florida, we're super talented all around,” Bargnare said. “So if [UCF] could do better as far as recruiting goes, then it will be much better for them.”

Now stop asking that question.

 

[SCKnight]

All of this is pure conjecture and serves no purpose at this point. So enough already..

 

[EngAlum98]

So many people in the media, on this board, and in the high school realm are ignorant to the recruiting process. Knight_classes post is just more proof of that. 74 of our 90+ players on this team are from the Florida/Georgia area. As is stated in the OP, "We don’t’ have to drive more than two or three hours to get the kids that we need". No duh! We do that. But much like every team, we don't have the resources (money nor personnel) to research and pursue every recruit out there (10's of thousands of them). A lot of kids that are spoken to don't sound interested in UCF and are leaning towards and have offers from P5 programs. So, effort isn't wasted on them. Others just don't fit what is currently needed or have issues (grades/size/speed/mentality/etc) for the system. Of course the media can find coaches/kids complaining about not getting offers. UGA had one with Bruce Miller. Complainers get the attention of the media. Ask Bianchi what sells.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Actually there were a few articles that I posted on local recruits that GOL passed up.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...ge-oleary-ucf-recruiting-20151026-column.html

From that aspect, some coaches were taken aback by his ways, and there are probably bridges that could use some mending with high-school programs across the area. Bargnare agreed he thinks UCF probably has a bad reputation among local high schools.

“I would say so, yeah. We have a lot of talent here locally, and there are barely any people around here with an offer from [UCF], and we're Central Florida, we're super talented all around,” Bargnare said. “So if [UCF] could do better as far as recruiting goes, then it will be much better for them.”

Now stop asking that question.

That article didn't do anything but make GOL sound good. He wasn't taking kids just cause they were local, he wanted specific players and I guess there weren't many locally he liked. The kids who we offered and didn't like the deadline that's not on GOL that's on them, we can't hold a scholarship for you until you're ready we need to know if you want in or not so we can find someone who does. It's not his fault these kids can't make up their minds on where they want to play, GOL doesn't like kids taking visits after accepting so he may have pulled their offer if they did which I'm sure people would've lost their mind about. GOL had his ways, it worked for and against him, to say he avoided locally is just wrong though.

 

[SCKnight]

Can we at least wait until the first recruiting class before we compare recruiting.

 

[mattropolis]

I know that GOL used a different offensive scheme but, he also could not recruit by himself without Kelly.

This was the ESPN interview with Frost:

Frost: “At Oregon, we’re jealous of people with a recruiting base right around their school,” Frost said. “We have to go a long way to get the kids at Oregon that we knew we needed to make that place go. This place has it right here. It’s right around here. We don’t’ have to drive more than two or three hours to get the kids that we need to run this system. This place has been successful before, so I know it can be successful. Coach O’Leary took them to a BCS game, so you can see that it can be done. This place has inherent advantages over a lot of teams it plays year in and year out in this conference. If the coaching staff can do a really good job and get the players to buy in, there’s a really high probability you can be successful.”

....I mean,
-you're in Florida,
-there are fast recruits here,
-they don't have to travel to Oregon,
-all they're friends and family can come to the game!
-home is close!
-we can pick up many recruits that the BIG 3 don't want!

Sorry, just re-hashing old crap! I just think that GOL couldn't do his job. No sugar coating! :-/

What about 3.3 conference titles and a BCS bowl appearance/victory makes you think he didn't recruit well? Was that not doing his job? Btw, Frost didn't mention "defense" at all during his initial introduction, other than saying his offensive system should have an answer for other people's defense. Defenses win titles. There are few exceptions in football to say otherwise. Please people, let's not play "coach A" is better than "coach B" in whatever aspect until at least 2-3 years go by. Obviously we're going to change systems, which means personnel will be different kinds of players. The only thing that matters 3-4 years from now is how many conference titles have we played for and won. It's the only measuring stick that matters.

 

[WoodyPanama]

All of this is pure conjecture and serves no purpose at this point. So enough already..

99% of the shit said on here (and message boards in general) is pure conjecture. You heard him, boys. Shut it down...

 

[SCKnight]

99% of the shit said on here (and message boards in general) is pure conjecture. You heard him, boys. Shut it down...

So lets continue to beat the same horse over and over again only with a new angle. Makes sense to me...

 

[WoodyPanama]

So lets continue to beat the same horse over and over again only with a new angle. Makes sense to me...

As far as football goes, there are only 2 things to do right now on a fan board until next season:

- Speculate about the future
- Drone on about the past

Both chockfull of your loathsome conjecture. So either you deal with it, like the rest of the adults. Or beat the dead horse about beating a dead horse.

 

[SCKnight]

As far as football goes, there are only 2 things to do right now on a fan board until next season:

- Speculate about the future
- Drone on about the past

Both chockfull of your loathsome conjecture. So either you deal with it, like the rest of the adults. Or beat the dead horse about beating a dead horse.

Yeah, there is absolutely nothing new going on to talk about at UCF right now. What a boring offseason it will be. Why not start another thread about how GOL did not recruit the state of Florida. Hmmm.. That or we could go back and revive the other 300 exact same threads with the exact same arguments on them. Seems adult enough. Glad that there are such mature adults like you on the boards.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

I think the only topics that havent been brought up is the details behind the scenes of how bad it got during GOLs last year.

 

[SCKnight]

I think the only topics that havent been brought up is the details behind the scenes of how bad it got during GOLs last year.

Enquiring minds want to know...

 

[80'sKnight]

Just take it from O'Leary's mouth. He said once that he/they try to get the top 3 at each position in state, if they can't get them then they go to other states and do the same thing. So in a way, he limited the search in Florida, although it's just incredible how many on here refuse to admit that the team is full of Florida players.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Just take it from O'Leary's mouth. He said once that he/they try to get the top 3 at each position in state, if they can't get them then they go to other states and do the same thing. So in a way, he limited the search in Florida, although it's just incredible how many on here refuse to admit that the team is full of Florida players.

Walk ons.

 

[firm_bizzle]

That article didn't do anything but make GOL sound good. He wasn't taking kids just cause they were local, he wanted specific players and I guess there weren't many locally he liked. The kids who we offered and didn't like the deadline that's not on GOL that's on them, we can't hold a scholarship for you until you're ready we need to know if you want in or not so we can find someone who does. It's not his fault these kids can't make up their minds on where they want to play, GOL doesn't like kids taking visits after accepting so he may have pulled their offer if they did which I'm sure people would've lost their mind about. GOL had his ways, it worked for and against him, to say he avoided locally is just wrong though.

Check out our front page. Plenty of local kids that GOL passed up for out of state talent. Frost is getting their attention.

 

[Poolside Knight]

Check out our front page. Plenty of local kids that GOL passed up for out of state talent. Frost is getting their attention.

after 2-3 recruiting cycles I sense a lot of people are going to have egg on their faces about the recruiting spin for the last regime

 

[HoseEmDown]

after 2-3 recruiting cycles I sense a lot of people are going to have egg on their faces about the recruiting spin for the last regime

The system is changing which will make some of the past recruits unnecessary and we'll probably recruit more kids the next 2 classes then we did in the past 3. I expect the new recruits to be better suited for Frost so they'll perform better and with the increased numbers we should find more starters. We still have good players from the previous regime who'll play a big part the next couple of years.

 

[firm_bizzle]

They'll definitely be faster. Maybe we should install AstroTurf.