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If the Big 12 can add a title game without expanding, is realignment done?

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If the Big 12 can add a title game without expanding, is realignment done?
By Chris Fuhrmeister


Don't be so certain that the Big 12's potential move rules out other moves.

The Big 12 and ACC have partnered to draw up legislation that would change NCAA rules on how conference champions can be determined, according to Dennis Dodd of CBS Sports. The ACC is apparently eyeing a three-division format, but for the Big 12, the new rules would allow the conference to hold a championship game without expanding from 10 teams to 12.

After Baylor and TCU were left out of the first College Football Playoff in 2014, and with selection committee chairman Jeff Long confirming Ohio State got a resume boost from its 13th game, a blowout win over Wisconsin, speculation began that the Big 12 would try to add teams.

Big 12 expansion would likely mean a promotion to power conference status for a couple of schools. Boise State, BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis and USF have long been rumored as potential candidates. Now, is that opportunity gone?

The Big 12's ability to hold a championship game without expansion would mean conference realignment is likely in a holding pattern for the time being. But as the volatile recent years have proved, it's foolish to say "never."

Yes, the Big 12 would prefer to stay at 10 schools. Commissioner Bob Bowlsby has repeatedly made that clear. But that doesn't mean the conference would shelve the idea for good just because of a conference title game. Part of the motivation for expanding, under current NCAA rules, is a title game, but if it made long-term financial sense, the Big 12 should still consider making a move.

What's this mean for the little guys?
If the Big 12 doesn't expand, what does it mean for those potential candidates? Jumping from the Mountain West or American to the Big 12 would mean more conference revenue on an annual basis thanks to a lucrative TV contract, and it would offer a real shot at competing for national championships. Even if those schools go unbeaten, playing in the MWC or AAC will likely put them behind one-loss power teams. Move to the Big 12, and that's not a problem.

BYU, however, might not be so bad off. The Cougars are trying to emulate Notre Dame's model as a powerful independent, and the fallout from the Big 12's Playoff snub seems to be working in their favor. BYU has scheduling flexibility as an independent, and many Playoff contenders are looking toward Provo in an attempt to beef up their non-conference schedules.

BYU probably wouldn't turn up its nose to a Big 12 invitation, with the right scheduling considerations for the school's religious concerns, but the Cougars might not need a conference to compete for a national title. Run the table against a schedule featuring the above teams, and a spot in the top four is a real possibility.
 
SSDD. I have come to accept permanent relegation into second tier status as a UCF fan. If it should come to pass that someone should invite us to the big leagues, great! If not then I will still follow and support my beloved team, and I will cease to care about the P5 and what they are doing. Much like I have long ceased to care about any professional sport as all professional sports have lost whatever soul or tradition they may have once had.

No, I will weep no more. In such a night
To shut me out? Pour on; I will endure.
In such a night as this? O Regan, Goneril!
Your old kind father, whose frank heart gave all—
O, that way madness lies; let me shun that;
No more of that.
King Lear Act 3, scene 4, 17–22
 
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It's over until Texhoma moves to the Pac12.
If the Texoma 4 move to the PAC-12 then the remaining Big 12 schools will be distributed through the B1G, SEC and ACC. Not sure who from the P5 would have any slots left to pickup any G5 teams at that point.
 
If the Texoma 4 move to the PAC-12 then the remaining Big 12 schools will be distributed through the B1G, SEC and ACC. Not sure who from the P5 would have any slots left to pickup any G5 teams at that point.

Nobody is taking Iowa State, Kansas State, Baylor or TCU. Kansas might be able to get into the B1G if the Kansas legislators allow them to shake KSU. The ACC might come down off of their high horse and finally take WVU since they brought in Louisville. I could see UConn in the B1G with Kansas and WVU in the ACC with Cincinnati to go to 16 each. The SEC isn't taking Baylor or TCU (Iowa State is too far) when they potentially could have UNC or NCst and VT or UVA.

That potentially could lead to a better conference for us if the remaining B12 school take the lead instead of the AAC schools. Iowa State, Baylor, TCU, Houston, Memphis, Tulane, ECU, USF, UCF.
 
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Who's running the Big almost 12? Obviously it's not the commish- he just had to make a statement that the conference doesn't want a championship game. Teams like TCU are afraid of a 13th game, since 30% of the favored teams lose. TCU's coach is afraid of a championship game. Big almost 12 a commish with no power, and coaches who are chicken. Are they trying to become part of the G-6?
 
SSDD. I have come to accept permanent relegation into second tier status as a UCF fan. If it should come to pass that someone should invite us to the big leagues, great! If not then I will still follow and support my beloved team, and I will cease to care about the P5 and what they are doing. Much like I have long ceased to care about any professional sport as all professional sports have lost whatever soul or tradition they may have once had.


King Lear Act 3, scene 4, 17–22
UCF is ALWAYS welcome to the B12!
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Until everybody starts beating the drums again at the end of next season :)
I'm still pulling for UCF to eventually go to the ACC because it makes
the most sense.
 
Nobody is taking Iowa State, Kansas State, Baylor or TCU. Kansas might be able to get into the B1G if the Kansas legislators allow them to shake KSU. The ACC might come down off of their high horse and finally take WVU since they brought in Louisville. I could see UConn in the B1G with Kansas and WVU in the ACC with Cincinnati to go to 16 each. The SEC isn't taking Baylor or TCU (Iowa State is too far) when they potentially could have UNC or NCst and VT or UVA.

That potentially could lead to a better conference for us if the remaining B12 school take the lead instead of the AAC schools. Iowa State, Baylor, TCU, Houston, Memphis, Tulane, ECU, USF, UCF.
Maybe not K-State or Iowa State but Baylor and TCU though small do have value especially given the amount of funding going into their programs and new/renovated stadiums and recent on-field success. With the PAC full, I could see Kansas and Mizzou to the B1G. If everyone were going to 16 then UCONN and WVU to the ACC with TCU and Baylor to the SEC (both have history with Arkansas and Texas A&M from their SWC days). The SEC would need one more after losing Mizzou (likely bring in an ACC school like NC State to get into NC market). ACC would backfill with Cincinnati most likely if they were unable to get Notre Dame to join for all sports.

The AAC down to 11 after losing Cincinnati would either merge with the MWC or go to 14 by adding Kansas St, Iowa State, and possibly Northern Illinois (or other G-5 conference member in their new footprint).
 
Maybe not K-State or Iowa State but Baylor and TCU though small do have value especially given the amount of funding going into their programs and new/renovated stadiums and recent on-field success. With the PAC full, I could see Kansas and Mizzou to the B1G. If everyone were going to 16 then UCONN and WVU to the ACC with TCU and Baylor to the SEC (both have history with Arkansas and Texas A&M from their SWC days). The SEC would need one more after losing Mizzou (likely bring in an ACC school like NC State to get into NC market). ACC would backfill with Cincinnati most likely if they were unable to get Notre Dame to join for all sports.

The AAC down to 11 after losing Cincinnati would either merge with the MWC or go to 14 by adding Kansas St, Iowa State, and possibly Northern Illinois (or other G-5 conference member in their new footprint).

A couple of problems with that. The B1G doesn't want to go west, it wants to go east. They feel that they have already secured Missouri's largest market in St. Louis. Adding Mizzou and Kansas for Kansas City isn't worth it. The SEC wants large state schools. They already have a foothold in Texas, only UTexas will give them more of a share. History means nothing these days. The B1G & SEC have their sights on schools with the highest value, once Texhoma is out of the picture, they are gunning for the ACC. I think K-st, I-st, Baylor, TCU and hopefully WVU are left without a home. If the ACC doesn't pick up WVU that's good for us because they'll want an eastern division (with Florida schools). Baylor and TCU would block SMU and potentially could block Houston (Texas politics are funny).

This is what I hope happens after Texhoma leaves.

New Big 12 east:
WVU
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Memphis
USF
UCF

New Big 12 west:
Kansas
Kansas St
Baylor
TCU
Colorado St
BYU.

or switch Colorado State out for ECU and move Iowa State to the west.
 
A couple of problems with that. The B1G doesn't want to go west, it wants to go east. They feel that they have already secured Missouri's largest market in St. Louis. Adding Mizzou and Kansas for Kansas City isn't worth it. The SEC wants large state schools. They already have a foothold in Texas, only UTexas will give them more of a share. History means nothing these days. The B1G & SEC have their sights on schools with the highest value, once Texhoma is out of the picture, they are gunning for the ACC. I think K-st, I-st, Baylor, TCU and hopefully WVU are left without a home. If the ACC doesn't pick up WVU that's good for us because they'll want an eastern division (with Florida schools). Baylor and TCU would block SMU and potentially could block Houston (Texas politics are funny).

This is what I hope happens after Texhoma leaves.

New Big 12 east:
WVU
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Memphis
USF
UCF

New Big 12 west:
Kansas
Kansas St
Baylor
TCU
Colorado St
BYU.

or switch Colorado State out for ECU and move Iowa State to the west.
I agree with you that this is another likely scenario. Not sure how the B1G thinks they own St. Louis, unless they think Iowa/Illinois/Northwestern has some kind of presence there. You are right though, the ACC would likely get raided by the SEC, but with the GOR it makes things more difficult. Granted Maryland was able to leave so anything is possible. Yes, I know all about Texas politics and blocking each other. I'm hoping that the Big 12 can stay together around Texas as it is Texas's conference and they love being top dog. I think I'd see Texas go independent before joining a conference where they aren't the undisputed top dog running the show. I'm more hopeful that Texas and the Big 12 wake up and see the benefits of conference expansion, starting their own TV network (some kind of expanded Longhorn Network or other upstart).

In short the Big 12 adds Cincinnati and Memphis to get to 12 for championship game (bridge to WVU). Later expansion includes UCF and USF for their huge student population/graduation rate plus the entire Central Florida market from Daytona to Melbourne all the way across to Ocala to Bradenton. WVU historically has recruited well in Florida and would jump at the chance of getting back into that market.

Lastly East Carolina and one other would be likely adds to get to 16 if needed (though they may stay at 14 as a couple more from the Big 12 could end up in defecting to the ACC/B1G/SEC)
 
If the Texoma 4 move to the PAC-12 then the remaining Big 12 schools will be distributed through the B1G, SEC and ACC. Not sure who from the P5 would have any slots left to pickup any G5 teams at that point.

Disagree...as I can't see the Big Ten, SEC or even ACC "fight over", let alone select teams like Iowa State, Texas Tech, Kansas State, etc....

Those programs will be just like Cincinnati, UCONN and USF...who were once members of the club but got left behind in the latest shuffle and join the "best of the rest" with the likes of UCF, Memphis, etc...and most likely, some teams would then be left behind like Tulsa, maybe Tulane, et al.
 
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