Illegal immigrants

[Crazyhole]

They probably deserve this country more than we do.

Would you be willing to put your life at risk to travel thousands of miles through a desert controlled by gangs and drug cartels to get back to the US? Probably not. You'd just expect someone to bail you out because as an an American you feel entitled to it. It seems to me like the people that are legitimately willing to put their lives in danger to be a US citizen are probably the people that should be in charge, because they love this country far more than the rest of our lazy asses

 

[hemightbejeremy]

We should do away with birthright citizenship. It’s a big driver in people coming here illegally because their children born on US soil get automatic citizenship. Almost no other countries allow this practice. It’s also very arbitrary of who gets or doesn’t get citizenship merely due to geographic location of their mother at time of birth. Give citizenship only to those whose parents are citizens or who go through the correct legal avenues.

 

[cnewton157]

We should do away with birthright citizenship. It’s a big driver in people coming here illegally because their children born on US soil get automatic citizenship. Almost no other countries allow this practice. It’s also very arbitrary of who gets or doesn’t get citizenship merely due to geographic location of their mother at time of birth. Give citizenship only to those whose parents are citizens or who go through the correct legal avenues.

Nah. The largest driver by far for “illegal” immigration in the US is well to do individuals with visa overstays that for some reason people don’t want to mention. Has been for decades. It isn’t really people coming here delivering babies on US soil even if it happens on occasion.

Inherently the US is built on mass immigration and to get away from those roots seems weird given so many love the founders and founding documents so much. Had the US not wanted to establish birthright citizenship, it should have handled the slavery question differently at the outset and in the courts. It chose not to and therefore the slave amendments became necessary additions to the Constitution. And currently we’re just not in a political climate to responsibly modify those slave amendments to the Constitution.

 

[sk8knight]

Nah. The largest driver by far for “illegal” immigration in the US is well to do individuals with visa overstays that for some reason people don’t want to mention. Has been for decades. It isn’t really people coming here delivering babies on US soil even if it happens on occasion.

Inherently the US is built on mass immigration and to get away from those roots seems weird given so many love the founders and founding documents so much. Had the US not wanted to establish birthright citizenship, it should have handled the slavery question differently at the outset and in the courts. It chose not to and therefore the slave amendments became necessary additions to the Constitution. And currently we’re just not in a political climate to responsibly modify those slave amendments to the Constitution.

We just had 170,000 people enter illegally just through the southern border in April and about that much in March as well. If that keeps up for a year, that’ll dwarf the number of overstays. And there are a significant number of anchor children; I saw a Pew Research estimate that 7.5% of all births are anchor totaling an estimated 300,000 per year.

Also, the overstays aren’t all rich well-to-do people. But let’s say they are. The rich well-to-do people aren’t going to be on social services for a generation or more and they aren’t likely to be part of a cartel or a gang or competing with lower-skilled Americans (often minority themselves) for the limited well-paying manufacturing or construction jobs out there. So should we really be looking at them first?

Or should we be parsing through the people illegally crossing the border to ensure that we’re letting in legitimate asylum seekers and keeping out the criminals?

Why can’t we address the 14th amendment now? There haven’t been legal slaves in this country for more than 150 years. Every person that amendment was meant to account for has long since passed on from this world. America isn’t in a place where we need bodies to explore and settle a frontier; we’re struggling right now with the people we have. Maybe it is exactly the time to look at the system and effect some change.

 

[Crazyhole]

We just had 170,000 people enter illegally just through the southern border in April and about that much in March as well. If that keeps up for a year, that’ll dwarf the number of overstays. And there are a significant number of anchor children; I saw a Pew Research estimate that 7.5% of all births are anchor totaling an estimated 300,000 per year.

Also, the overstays aren’t all rich well-to-do people. But let’s say they are. The rich well-to-do people aren’t going to be on social services for a generation or more and they aren’t likely to be part of a cartel or a gang or competing with lower-skilled Americans (often minority themselves) for the limited well-paying manufacturing or construction jobs out there. So should we really be looking at them first?

Or should we be parsing through the people illegally crossing the border to ensure that we’re letting in legitimate asylum seekers and keeping out the criminals?

Why can’t we address the 14th amendment now? There haven’t been legal slaves in this country for more than 150 years. Every person that amendment was meant to account for has long since passed on from this world. America isn’t in a place where we need bodies to explore and settle a frontier; we’re struggling right now with the people we have. Maybe it is exactly the time to look at the system and effect some change.

Those overstays are largely people that don't show up for asylum court. When ICE releases detainees they get a temporary visa and a court date.