I'm Convinced some of you WANT us to lose

[Renegade2007]

It's one thing to be realistic or even be pessimistic about the rest of our season, but based on what I read on here, I think some of you actually want us to go winless this year, so we can get rid of GOL. I can just see it. If we SOMEHOW finish with a respectable conference record (maybe 2nd in the east or something, bowl eligible), the haters would flip their ish!

If that is the case, that is just awful and sad.

 

[firm_bizzle]

More hugger trolling. Anybody try that Bucs sub at Publix?

 

[UCFBS]

I agree with most of what you said. However ...

If we SOMEHOW finish with a respectable conference record (maybe 2nd in the east or something, bowl eligible), the haters would flip their ish!

Statistically, I'm a realist. I don't see Holman engineering a major comeback with such youth at wide-out.

That said ... any program that cans a repeatedly winning coach after a bad season, let alone less than half a season, deserves what they get. The grass always seems greener.

But if we're still losing at this point into the next season, then yes, GoL should go. But not before then.

 

[AAC6800]

With Holman back, we can win the East. We've only lost one conference game at this point.

 

[Jaredf29]

It's one thing to be realistic or even be pessimistic about the rest of our season, but based on what I read on here, I think some of you actually want us to go winless this year, so we can get rid of GOL. I can just see it. If we SOMEHOW finish with a respectable conference record (maybe 2nd in the east or something, bowl eligible), the haters would flip their ish!

If that is the case, that is just awful and sad.

You may call it pessimism but it's more like realism. I'm guessing you must not have seen us actually play. I'm going on actual play, it's mid season and we actually look like we've regressed. There's no way in this reality that we go bowling let alone finish 2nd in the east. You may label someone a hater, but I say when you're two years removed from a bcs bowl you should at least be able to beat an fcs team. We're officially a punchline in the weekly presses. Don't let facts stop you from your diatribe though.

 

[UCFBS]

You may call it pessimism but it's more like realism. I'm guessing you must not have seen us actually play. I'm going on actual play, it's mid season and we actually look like we've regressed. There's no way in this reality that we go bowling let alone finish 2nd in the east. You may label someone a hater, but I say when you're two years removed from a bcs bowl you should at least be able to beat an fcs team. We're officially a punchline in the weekly presses. Don't let facts stop you from your diatribe though.

And what about me?

Someone that actually wants to give a program, a program that has given us 3 straight division or outright conference titles, in a row, at least into next season, before making this call?

Even I, very much a realist, agrees we're probably not going to get better this year ... but I want to see how bad, or not, we actually are to start next year. I don't think we'll get much better (at least not until 2017 at the earliest with the youth), and I would be for canning GoL at this point next year, if that was the case. But I actually want to give a program more than just a few games, because on-a-whim management doesn't result in sustainable programs.

 

[HammerB08]

Heading to Orlando now to root on our team tomorrow. No way in hell I want to lose to UCONN two years in a row. I'm completely pissed at how the team has performed so far, as we all should be, but that doesn't mean we're rooting against the team.

 

[Jaredf29]

And what about me?

Someone that actually wants to give a program, a program that has given us 3 straight division or outright conference titles, in a row, at least into next season, before making this call?

Even I, very much a realist, agrees we're probably not going to get better this year ... but I want to see how bad, or not, we actually are to start next year. I don't think we'll get much better (at least not until 2017 at the earliest with the youth), and I would be for canning GoL at this point next year, if that was the case. But I actually want to give a program more than just a few games, because on-a-whim management doesn't result in sustainable programs.

See the other thread for explanation.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

I'll be watching but yes when you lose to FIU and Furman on your home field, going 0-12 is the only result i can hope for.

But if we're still losing at this point into the next season, then yes, GoL should go. But not before then.

Yeah great lets follow the words of BS and lose 20 games in a row before canning GOL. By then im not going to even want a statue of him outside of BHN Stadium, ill want both he and Dr Hitt in jail. I hope you, GOL, Dr Hitt, KL and whoever is banking off of this mess have enough money to retire.

 

[UCFBS]

Yeah great lets follow the words of BS and lose 20 games in a row before canning GOL.

I said 16-17, but yes, he's earned the right to actually be given at least into next season, instead of only 3-4 games.

How many programs fire a coach that quick? After 3 titles?

By then im not going to even want a statue of him outside of BHN Stadium, ill want both he and Dr Hitt in jail. I hope you, GOL, Dr Hitt, KL and whoever is banking off of this mess have enough money to retire.

Sigh ...

 

[UCFBS]

See the other thread for explanation.

And you're lying to yourself when you say you "appreciate" him. You "appreciate" him by letting him have a losing season and seeing if his program improves. If it does not into next year, yes, we fire him. Otherwise it's just total BS level "lip service," and not "appreciation."

If there's one thing that GoL has over a lot of you ... it's that he's not "lip service."

 

[ucfversusbcs]

I said 16-17, but yes, he's earned the right to actually be given at least into next season, instead of only 3-4 games.

How many programs fire a coach that quick? After 3 titles?

Sigh ...

Tony Levine was fired after finishing with a winning record and you approve. Yet you'll blow a gasket if they can GOL unless he loses 20 straight - then you may consider firing him. Yeah sorry im starting to really think some posters on this board are involved with this ponzi scheme called the GOL regime.

 

[UCFBS]

Tony Levine was fired after finishing with a winning record and you approve.

How many times do I have to say before you stop ignoring it?

I said if GoL finished with 3+ seasons where we were, at best, 5-3, even with a 0.500+ record, we'd fire him too.

2012 Houston 5–7 (4–4 T-3rd)
2013 Houston 8–5 (5–3 4th)
2014 Houston 7–5 (5–3 T–4th)​

That's 2 out of 3 seasons for Levine with 0.500+ (one under 0.500), and never better than 5-3 in-conference.

I have repeatedly stated this, especially after pointing it out about Bobby Bowden (who got no less than 5 straight seasons), and you repeatedly continue to ignore it.

Yet you'll blow a gasket if they can GOL unless he loses 20 straight - then you may consider firing him.

Where did I say 20? Are you always going to attribute you want to think about me to me?

And yes ... it does very much upset me how much you guys want to piss on anyone when they don't do good. You want immediate results.

Yeah sorry im starting to really think some posters on this board are involved with this ponzi scheme called the GOL regime.

Yes, attack anyone who disagrees with you. We must be cashing in on your misery.

 

[Victorywayucf]

Fire is cleansing.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

I said if GoL finished with 3+ seasons where we were, at best, 5-3, even with a 0.500+ record, we'd fire him too.

2012 Houston 5–7 (4–4 T-3rd)
2013 Houston 8–5 (5–3 4th)
2014 Houston 7–5 (5–3 T–4th)
That's 2 out of 3 seasons for Levine with 0.500+ (one under 0.500), and never better than 5-3 in-conference.

GOLs 1st 4 seasons.
0-11 2004, 8-5 2005, 4-8 2006, 10-4 2007 - GOL had two out of three losing seasons. He won the conference title in 2007. Who is to say Levine wouldnt have won the title his fourth year. They are 5-0 with Levine's players and the QB he chose to start the rest of last season. Yet you guys approve of his firing. In your eyes, GOL is the only coach that deserves to right a ship even as the losses pile up...14, 15, 20 losses in a row....screw you we got the 2013 Fiesta Bowl.

 

[UCFBS]

GOLs 1st 4 seasons.
0-11 2004, 8-5 2005, 4-8 2006, 10-4 2007 - GOL had two out of three losing seasons.

Once again, you leave out what you don't want to admit.

Now let's put that into conference perspective ...

Tom Levine

2012 Houston 5–7 (4–4 T-3rd)
2013 Houston 8–5 (5–3 4th)
2014 Houston 7–5 (5–3 T–4th)​

George O'Leary

2004 UCF 0–11 (0–8 last)
2005 UCF 8–5 (7–1 1st)
2006 UCF 4–8 (3–5 4th)​

Now what is the difference here? I bolded it for you.

That saved GoL from getting canned after 2006. Had we been 5-3 in conference, and finished 3rd or 4th, in 2005, he might have been gone. But instead, we kept him. And then ...

2007 UCF 10–4 (7–1 1st)​

Having 2 division titles (and 1 outright conference title) after 4 years, it was now difficult to fire GoL. But had he not done the huge turn-around in 2005 ... yeah, he might have been gone, no argument.

Which brings me back to my original, continuing point ...

Because if we were going to fire him ... we should have done it after 2004 or 2006. But we did not. Some of you wanted to fire him. But we did not fire him back then. So ... we've had 3 great seasons preceding this one. So ... you cannot just say, "oh, those don't count."

You want to pick'n choose from history.

I'm sure some of you wanted to fire him after 2006. But we didn't. And after 2008? Hard to fire someone after actually winning a conference title, and 2 divisional titles. Not many programs do that.

So ... alas, say all you want. But that's how these things work.

He won the conference title in 2007. Who is to say Levine wouldnt have won the title his fourth year.

Who's to say GoL wouldn't have been fired without the 7-1 record and divisional title in 2005? Answer me that?!

They are 5-0 with Levine's players and the QB he chose to start the rest of last season. Yet you guys approve of his firing.

Who said I approved? I just said ... he had 3 mediocre seasons and never "challenged" for the divisional title in the end.

Had GoL had 2 less wins in 2005, probably would have happened to him after 2006 as well. Just how it goes.

In your eyes, GOL is the only coach that deserves to right a ship even as the losses pile up...14, 15, 20 losses in a row....screw you we got the 2013 Fiesta Bowl.

No. Not because of the Fiesta bowl. But yes, because of the last 3 years being a divisional title or conference title.

You cannot just go around firing coaches that manage to win their divisions, let alone conferences, outright. You have to give them at least part of 3 years (even 4 and possibly 5 years, like Bowden, after decades of success) of medocrity, or at least a full season (at least part of 2) of losing badly. Because there can be downtimes.

Boise State is just one of the few programs that has managed to have 17 straight winning seasons. I wish we were like them too. I'm just not joining you guys in saying that firing GoL will result in that. Be careful what you think is automatic.

Is it possible? Yes!
Is it automatic?

Let me put it this way ... Statistically ...
We're far more likely to suck more than we have over the past 3.5 (or even 5.5) seasons ...
Than we will become a Boise State.

At least if we're firing coaches so fast, especially after winning.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

Once again, you leave out what you don't want to admit.

Now let's put that into conference perspective ...

Tom Levine
2012 Houston 5–7 (4–4 T-3rd)
2013 Houston 8–5 (5–3 4th)
2014 Houston 7–5 (5–3 T–4th)
George O'Leary
2004 UCF 0–11 (0–8 last)
2005 UCF 8–5 (7–1 1st)
2006 UCF 4–8 (3–5 4th)
Now what is the difference here? I bolded it for you.

In 2005, UCF won the division but not the conference. I thought winning conference titles is all that matters. Division title might as well mean you finished 2nd place..so GOL went from last to 2nd to last again. Levine if anything gradually improved Houston's conference play year to year. In 2013, they went into BHN Stadium undefeated and was a missed score away from winning. In 2014, they finished tied for 2nd place - see i can do that too. If GOL was fired for trending upwards but not actually winning the conference title you'd complain that you fired a coach for improving in conference year after year - because winning in conference is what MATTERS right?

 

[UCFBS]

In 2005, UCF won the division but not the conference.

Those "places" listed were divisional places. UCF challenged for the conference title, after winning its division. Houston did not even once.

Furthermore ...

I thought winning conference titles is all that matters. Division title might as well mean you finished 2nd place..so GOL went from last to 2nd to last again. Levine if anything gradually improved Houston's conference play year to year.

Levine did no such thing!

He took over after Kevin Summlin ...

2011 Houston 12–1 (8–0 1st)​

Tom Levine

2012 Houston 5–7 (4–4 T-3rd)
2013 Houston 8–5 (5–3 4th)
2014 Houston 7–5 (5–3 T–4th)​

^^^ Now please explain to me this "gradually improved"?!

Versus George O'Leary took over after Mike Kruzeck, not even looking at Gooch and the entire loss of all sorts of players from the roster (plus him having a heart attack to start off his recruiting).

2003 UCF 3-7 (2-4 5th)​

George O'Leary

2004 UCF 0–11 (0–8 last)
2005 UCF 8–5 (7–1 1st)
2006 UCF 4–8 (3–5 4th)​

Now this is why I'm honestly tired of you guys making arguments that are utterly without base.

It's not that "I want to be right"! GoL may very well start 2016 2-3, 1-4 or even 0-5!
You keep making argument that are utterly BS and proven to be otherwise!

That's what scares me! You automatically equate things and, worse yet, you're arguments are very poor!

We're done ... I've more than proven my points. Thank you for helping.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

Those "places" listed were divisional places. UCF challenged for the conference title, after winning its division. Houston did not even once.

Furthermore ...

Levine did no such thing!

He took over after Kevin Summlin ...

2011 Houston 12–1 (8–0 1st)​

​

^^^ Now please explain to me this "gradually improved"?!

[/QUOTE]

Levine took over a team who lost a QB named Case Keenum. Remember him? They didnt fire Kevin Sumlin, he moved on to Texas A&M. . BTW isnt it ironic when Keenum went down the year before they finished 5-7?

So post Keenum, Levine took a team and improved year to year. Yet you approve of him getting fired. If that happened to your bread and butter GOL, you'd throw a fit of why a coach would get fired when they've improved year after year. Thats my point. Kruczek couldve upped and left for Kentucky for all i care. You'd treat GOL the same way because you have constantly said GOL should get a chance to right the ship. Guess what? Levine was righting the ship but they fired him anyways! Everything youve mentioned about coaches being discouraged from applying for a job actually happened at Houston. Yet youre fine with it!

You've proven your GOL bias and tossed fairness out the door. Congrats.

 

[firm_bizzle]

I said 16-17, but yes, he's earned the right to actually be given at least into next season, instead of only 3-4 games.

How many programs fire a coach that quick? After 3 titles?

Sigh ...

Wow! 16-17? Wow!

 

[Jaredf29]

And you're lying to yourself when you say you "appreciate" him. You "appreciate" him by letting him have a losing season and seeing if his program improves. If it does not into next year, yes, we fire him. Otherwise it's just total BS level "lip service," and not "appreciation."

If there's one thing that GoL has over a lot of you ... it's that he's not "lip service."

Again, reading comprehension. I never said Fire O'leary that's your own narrative, the only one I've advocated firing or demoting is Brent Key.

 

[goodknightfl]

2 loss, 6 loss, 12 loss, a season. GOL is this seasons reason. :0)

 

[firm_bizzle]

2 loss, 6 loss, 12 loss, a season. GOL is this seasons reason. :0)

3 loss, 6 loss, 12 loss and dollar.
Hater wanna #firegol, huggers just holler.

 

[firm_bizzle]

With Holman back, we can win the East. We've only lost one conference game at this point.

That's the spirit! Yeaaaah!

 

[Jedi.Knight]

Sorry, but we're currently down to UConn 33-3 mid third quarter. This team flat out sucks,and until we man up we deserve to get destroyed every week.

 

[UCFSig]

It's one thing to be realistic or even be pessimistic about the rest of our season, but based on what I read on here, I think some of you actually want us to go winless this year, so we can get rid of GOL. I can just see it. If we SOMEHOW finish with a respectable conference record (maybe 2nd in the east or something, bowl eligible), the haters would flip their ish!

If that is the case, that is just awful and sad.

George is sandbagging so we'll get the first pick in the draft.