I'm shaking my fist at Desantis right now
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People on our premium board tried to tell me I was wrong when I said that vaccinated people could catch COVID.
Why are they still testing asymptomatic people? This is nothing more than liberal insanity.
Here’s a good read to educate you on what vaccine efficacy is. Before you go spreading more nonsense here.
Commentary: Inaccurate public understanding of COVID-19 vaccine efficacy has implications for vaccination rates
High vaccination uptake is key to easing COVID-19 restrictions, but a majority of polled respondents misunderstand how much protection vaccines provide, say Clarence Tam, Hannah Clapham and Yung Chee Fu.
They tested everyone to have a baseline of how effective requiring vaccinations was on Covid spread aboard a cruise. Only 16 and over passengers were required vaccinated. 2 total people tested positive. In the same cabin. They likely had the same vaccine card forger.
You didn’t phrase it that vaccinated people can catch Covid. You phrased it that the vaccine doesn’t prevent Covid. Which can be taken to mean.
a) the vaccine is not effective
b) the vaccine doesn’t provide 100% guaranteed protection
Obviously the vaccine is effective in preventing Covid for the large majority of people who get it. There is a small percentage of people who are vaccinated that will still get it.
Based on the context of your comment you were implying the vaccine was not effective. Faced with a counter argument you fell back on “hey look at these 2 people who presented a vaccine card on a cruise and still got Covid”.
I posted scientific studies showing the transmission rates of vaccinated, unvaccinated symptomatic, and asymptomatic positive carriers. What does that have to do with efficacy and why do you dismiss it as nonsense?Here’s a good read to educate you on what vaccine efficacy is. Before you go spreading more nonsense here.
Commentary: Inaccurate public understanding of COVID-19 vaccine efficacy has implications for vaccination rates
High vaccination uptake is key to easing COVID-19 restrictions, but a majority of polled respondents misunderstand how much protection vaccines provide, say Clarence Tam, Hannah Clapham and Yung Chee Fu.www.channelnewsasia.com
I’m not saying the vaccine doesn’t reduce the effects of COVID nor am I refuting that the efficacy in preventing infection is between 70 and 95%. What I’m saying is that it’s not perfect and it doesn’t eliminate all infections and, once infected, it doesn’t eliminate subsequent transmission. In fact, a vaccinated positive person and an unvaccinated asymptomatic positive person have about the same probability of transmitting to another unvaccinated person.
You said that someone in the premium forum told you that you were wrong for saying vaccinated people can catch Covid. That never happened. Everyone is fully aware that you can catch Covid after being vaccinated. The vaccines don’t have 100% efficacy.
Vaccines are not 100% effective in preventing a person from getting it, Though they all seem to be 100% at preventing serious sickness if you do get it. The 2 shot vaccines are in the upper 90's on not getting it, people who took the J n J are only in the 70's. Just like the flu we are going to have to live with it. We lose 30 to 100k people a year to the flu, we don't shut everything down and quit living our lives.
I don’t think you understand vaccine theory. You get vaccinated because the percentages in the transmission chain eventually go to zero the more people who are vaccinated. Even if an individual efficacy isn’t 100%. If the vaccine gives you even 75% efficacy, that is 99.6% efficacy over a 4 person chain of transmission (4vaccinated persons). In other words the 4th person in the chain of unvaccinated people would be 256 time more likely to catch the disease than the 4th in a chain of vaccinated people.
Exactly, goodknightfl. It boggles the mind that the public has literally been bombarded with this information on the COVID-19 vaccines yet many folks still don't have a clue.
Frankly I’m shocked you are against the vaccine. Team get back to normal refuses to take the steps to do so. I guess if your IQ is a shoe size and you think Biden failed on a promise to get the remaining MAGAts vaccinated then you may use similar logic (or lack thereof) in assessing the cost benefit of a vaccine vs Covid virus.
I absolutely get it and how it applies to the chances of encountering the virus. I agree with you and I’m not railing against the vaccine.
But if you are a single person and you encounter the virus then you are not 99.6% less likely to become infected with the virus. And once you have the virus, no matter where you are in the chain, you are not 99.6% less likely to transmit the virus to an unvaccinated person. So, if you’re an infected vaccinated person (no matter how small that chance may be) then you still need to be careful around the unvaccinated people, especially if they’re in a risk category.
A year ago last May, "Team get back to normal" was telling us that we must simply MUST reopen businesses despite the risks for the sake of our economy.
Last forward to today and these same people who were saying 'what's the big deal? For most folks there's a 99% survival rate' NOW want us to avoid getting back to normal by everybody taking one of the vaccines because....get this.....there's a 0.00000001 percent chance of blood clots.
Can somebody please explain the logic of this latest Trumpet talking point?
And I've been right there with you. However ...
So, this is what I've been talking about as well ...
If you've been just exposed to SARS-CoV, SARS-CoV-2, Influenza-A, Influenza-B and a couple of other things, these can show up on the PCR test ... let alone the 'rapid' one. As always, it's the interpretation of the results that matters.
Some countries have gotten into legal and fiscal trouble in the courts for poor or just downright incorrect interpretation of the results. Let me say that again, PCR can and does test, and it's a valid test, for the flu! And it will show flu (A or B).
That doesn't mean SARS-CoV-2 (or SARS-CoV or even MERS-CoV for that matter).
Remember, the US Media does not care about the details, and if leaving them out creates more hype, they will. But yes, sometimes interpretation is literally left up to ... well ... interpretation. That's why I've been warning the PCR test is valid, but interpreted quite invalid, and often.
I've been saying this over and over about the PCR test ... it works, if you actually understand the results. Many people do not when a 'positive' comes back, but it's only 'exposure' not actual 'infection.' Or it's a flu (A or B strain), not a cov (coronavirus).
Although people can and do spread it without infection, especially kids. Pfizer's own study of aged 12-15 showed 100% prevention of symptoms of kids plecebo. Let me say that again ... over a thousand kids who did not even have the vaccine could not spread it any worse than those vaccinated. The 1.6% on placebo that were infected were all asymptomatic.
There's no proof that vaccination reduces the spread over non-infection or even asymptomatic. Hence why we're not seeing researcher, especially not pharmaceutical companies, publish the fact that non-infection isn't any worse for spread than vaccinated, let alone there is nothing on asymptomatic at all.
Non-infection and asymptomatic were shown to be at least 1/3rd (2/3rds reduction in) the spread of symptomatic people. That's all we have to date. That's it. Literally. No one likes to talk about it because it undermines the vaccine push.
I'm all ears if anyone has anything else, but I've read article after article where -- in the few cases journalists ask -- it's always PCR test related on results, and nothing about spread. The few studies that have been done shows vaccinated people spread it just like non-infected or asymptomatic. No change.
That's why vaccinating kids won't do anything. It really bothers me how much no one is offering any definitive information on this. I won't speculate further why than it's not being researched because the results so far undermine the vaccination push for people under 25, let alone under 16.
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U R dumb on your smartest day. No common sense. Google donuts and mouth and put the two together
I'm dumb because ... I follow the court cases around the 'interpretation' of the PCR test by 'state technicians?' And I read the medical journals and various regulator advisements?
If anyone has proven they have the inability to follow things at even a 3rd grader level, it is you. Welcome to grade school. I'll be your continued teacher, and you will continue to look like a Dunce.
