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Is the Conservative Movement Splitting Apart?

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NinjaKnight said:
Every single intelligent person in the world has left the GOP. I'm not saying they've gone Democrat, but you cannot by definition call yourself a Republican in 2020 and not be a moron.
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I thought this take from Ninja warranted its own discussion thread. I seriously believe that Trump has decided that if he's going down, he's going to take the Republican Party and the Fox News Network down with him.

The Georgia Senate race should be an easy win for the Republicans (and it still should be.) But thanks to Trump and his shenanigans the Dems have an actual shot at taking down one or both.

On the Fox News front, Trump is clearly angling to get into the broadcast business by cutting a deal with OAN or Newsmax to launch the Trump News Network so he can continue spouting his crackpot conspiracy theories.

In my humble opinion, the end result on both the political and media side of things is a weakened movement that is busy fighting with itself over what being a conservative in 2021 and beyond means.
 
The same thing is happening on both sides. Populist movements are taking on the establishment factions of the party. Its potentially dangerous, but something we need.
 
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Crazyhole said:
The same thing is happening on both sides. Populist movements are taking on the establishment factions of the party. Its potentially dangerous, but something we need.
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I don't disagree -- and I'm not discounting the voice of the Liberal wing of the Democratic Party.

However, I don't see Bernie Sanders getting his own news network to help push his populist message.
 
DaShuckster said:
I don't disagree -- and I'm not discounting the voice of the Liberal wing of the Democratic Party.

However, I don't see Bernie Sanders getting his own news network to help push his populist message.
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I dont think Trump getting a news network would make any difference at this point.
 
Crazyhole said:
I dont think Trump getting a news network would make any difference at this point.
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My opinion of Donald Trump is well-known. But I've always understood the man's uncanny knack for gaining attention with whatever he does.

I think you're underestimating what Trump could do for a fledging network like OAN or Newsmax.
 
DaShuckster said:
My opinion of Donald Trump is well-known. But I've always understood the man's uncanny knack for gaining attention with whatever he does.

I think you're underestimating what Trump could do for a fledging network like OAN or Newsmax.
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I dont know anything about OAN other than I've seen a couple of clips somebody has shared on Facebook. It doesn't look like much of a news network that has a chance. I've seen more of Newsmax and they seem to have a pretty decent production quality, but what could Trump bring to the table there? He's not going to do his own show.
 
Crazyhole said:
what could Trump bring to the table there? He's not going to do his own show.
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You don't think Trump Newsmax wouldn't attract all the Trump voters who still believe the election was rigged? You don't think it would attract non-Trump voters who are curious?

You don't think the network wouldn't televise highly promoted, semi-regular, Trump "Town Halls"?
 
DaShuckster said:
You don't think Trump Newsmax wouldn't attract all the Trump voters who still believe the election was rigged? You don't think it would attract non-Trump voters who are curious?

You don't think the network wouldn't televise highly promoted, semi-regular, Trump "Town Halls"?
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Maybe. It seems like Trump sycophants are already watching Newsmax. I suppose he possibly could get them a mainstream broadcast platform but I kind of doubt it.
 
Crazyhole said:
Maybe. It seems like Trump sycophants are already watching Newsmax.
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But Newsmax is not mainstream. The Trump brand would force most cable service providers and streaming services to include Newsmax in their bundles.
 
DaShuckster said:
But Newsmax is not mainstream. The Trump brand would force most cable service providers and streaming services to include Newsmax in their bundles.
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I would think they would have to poach a major name from Fox to pull that off. The only one they really have left is Tucker and I can't imagine him taking the paycut. Hannity? Maybe, but he's lost so much influence over the last few years I dont know if it would move the needle.
 
No. I don't think we realize how utterly insane the modern GOP is. I know smart fiscal conservatives that recently left the GOP due to Trump, but I can see the numbers. Clearly, Trump is a monster and so are the sickos that voted for him. Trump is the GOP now.
 
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The better question is are Republicans splitting apart. answer there is yes. Swampers and non swampers.
 
Political parties are a melting pot of different groups needed in order to win election. Both side have nut jobs, however the coalition that conservatives have formed is an interesting one. Conservatism isn't a very popular idea in America (or worldwide) so in order to have a chance at wining they had to join their wing with the Neo Cons, corporatists, Christian-right, racists and conspiracy theorists. It's still not a majority of the country.
 
firm_bizzle said:
Are you a Trump loyalist or RINO?
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Neither, I am a conservative, I am and never will be loyal to any politician. Trump really is not conservative. though he has often been to the right of the Swamp dwelling Republicans.
I totally disagree with Trump wanting more money for those not hurt financially by covid. I am ok with not signing the current bill as well. whether it passes or not there will be another one passed for Biden to sign. There is no money for either.
 
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goodknightfl said:
Neither, I am a conservative, I am and never will be loyal to any politician. Trump really is not conservative. though he has often been to the right of the Swamp dwelling Republicans.
I totally disagree with Trump wanting more money for those not hurt financially by covid. I am ok with not signing the current bill as well. whether it passes or not there will be another one passed for Biden to sign. There is no money for either.
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As long as the rest of the world keeps doing the same thing, there's plenty of money for it.
 
goodknightfl said:
Neither, I am a conservative, I am and never will be loyal to any politician. Trump really is not conservative. though he has often been to the right of the Swamp dwelling Republicans.
I totally disagree with Trump wanting more money for those not hurt financially by covid. I am ok with not signing the current bill as well. whether it passes or not there will be another one passed for Biden to sign. There is no money for either.
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I'll put you in the RINO camp for that wishy washy answer.
 
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goodknightfl said:
you have both of those on both sides of the fence. Russian collusion..
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Yeah, boy, Russian collusion was a figment of our radical left-wing imagination.*

Talk about guys who's sh*t don't stink, convicted felon, Roger Stone, sure got the royal treatment. First, Trump said Stone's sentence was "too harsh"....then after getting Barr to lower the sentence recommendation from 20 years to five, he commutes that sentence the weekend before he goes to jail AND NOW the go-between between Russia's Wikileaks and the Trump Campaign gets a full pardon!

Wow, imagine that!!! If you didn't know better, you might think Roger Stone has something on Trump. ;)
 
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I think that Republicans decided to stay quiet about Trump because they assumed they could ride his popularity with Joe Sixpack and Pro Life Lulu in 2024 and beyond. But they didn't anticipate how far Trump would go off the rails after losing.

But it shouldn't have come as any surprise. Look at how easily and quickly Trump trashed his long-time relationships once their usefulness to him was over. So anybody who isn't 'loyal' to him now has become an enemy. This includes Mitch McConnell for 'daring' to congratulate Biden after the Electoral College vote and the Republican Governors of Georgia and Arizona who 'were such wimps' that they didn't overturn their state's vote and declare Trump the winner.

Where do you think this is headed for the GOP? If the Republican Party believes it's going to come out of this Presidential meltdown stronger, I've got a piece of land in Southwest Florida I'll sell you.
 
KNIGHTTIME^ said:
You can't believe any of that nonsense. Trump did very well with Cubans in Florida. He also did much better with black males than what has been done in the past. Prior to covid the black unemployment was at an all time low. His focus is economy driven and not being a community organizer which is code word for do nothing.

Conspiracy nut jobs are in every party. I remember hearing liberal nut jobs saying Bush bombed the Trade Center.
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Trump isn't a conservative, he's a populist on a conservative train that he's about to derail. Conservatism (smaller government and less taxes) isn't believed by most, it's why the government gets bigger. It's a front for Corporatists to reduce their expenses. Bigger government when used to purchases goods and services from corporations with the tax payers dollar or to save corporations expenditures in the form of taxes (also at the expense of tax payers). All types of Boogeymen are used to get people on board with the corporatists agenda like Socialism, Castro, Chavez, Machismo. The problem is that the economy doesn't work for most of the people who work, and they get a crappy return on the taxes that are deducted from their check. Prime example is what McConnell did last week. He did everything he could do in the spring to save big business. 2 years ago he wanted huge tax cuts for businesses. However, when the average American and average small business needed help over the last 9 months he fought against stimulus checks and additional UE benefits. It's cheap for these corporations to buy senate seats in states with small populations. It gives them power to help themselves. Trump is about to rip the cover off their little game tonight in GA.
 
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