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Isreal: Iran deal is a historic mistake

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* Billions going to Iran
* PM tweeting in every language including Farsi that this is a bad deal

Yes, there is some limited trust put into this deal. But it's silly for us to be going after each other's throats for the rest of our lives. This could be the first step to a democracy in Iran. Downside is limited.

I support the President on this one. World Peace.
 
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If you support world peace, then you do not support this deal..

This is the same Iran that is the Assad bombing machine in Syria, also the ones supporting the Houti in Yemen who are killing 1000s..
This is the same Iran that hangs 3 people a day in their own country for things such as being gay.. or disagreeing with the gov't,

This is an Iran that with their Billions they will now have something great, they will have the money now to finance more terror across the globe..
Remember money creates power, we had all the power going into this deal..

How is this deal. for the dummies...
Think your labor union goes into negotiations with management to get your wage up to $15.00 an hour, or $20 an hour...
Pretty much Kerry and Obama are celebrating they got your wages from $7.00 an hour to $0.50 an hour!
This is how stupid this deal really is...

Things that would have made this an acceptable deal..
Iran needed to come clean on their R&D for weapons,
Halt Uranium at Natanz, actually this deal allows it..
Arak and Fordow need to be dismantled, neither are, they actually will be left ready to turn back on within a week status..
Stop Missile development, and buying arms to supply terror groups throughout the region.
no more faster centrifuges, actually they get to R&D and get faster ones.
Anywhere, Anytime Inspections> nope.. It would be like saying to stop Drugs coming in we are going to tell the dealers which ships we are going to look into..
Halt all executions within the country of Iran...
Stop financing Terror groups across the region?
 
When Assad and Putin are expressing joy and thanks over this deal, you know it sucks.
 
* Billions going to Iran
* PM tweeting in every language including Farsi that this is a bad deal

Yes, there is some limited trust put into this deal. But it's silly for us to be going after each other's throats for the rest of our lives. This could be the first step to a democracy in Iran. Downside is limited.

I support the President on this one. World Peace.
Unless Iran agreed to anytime, anywhere inspections this agreement is worthless. They did not agree to this so once again this administration looks like amateurs.
 
JFK did warn us about a missile gap that Eisenhower let the Soviets build up during his presidential campaign......that it turns out didn't exist when got to office and could read all the classified reports that we were ahead of the soviets by 10x.

Reagan warned us about how soft on the Soviets Carter had been, such as when he cancelled the B-1 bomber project. Then he got into office and learned about the stealth fighter, rendering the B-1A obsolete. Something that didn't become public for almost another decade.

I give presidents the benefit of the doubt on issues like this. They are not always correct, but they do have more information than we are aware of.
 
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The good thing is the anywhere anytime access. Which we traded for a request, that starts a 14 day clock, that leads to a second 7 day clock, at which time Iran has 4 more days to answer the request. so in just 24 days if all goes to plan inspectors can get to the site. Too bad Isreal didn't bomb them already. Obama and Kerry wanted this deal bad, and they caved. Iran won, the world and USA lost.
 
In Bill Clinton's defense, he was against the peace deal that Carter negotiated with the North Koreans in 1994. But Carter had negotiated the 2-party deal, and Clinton couldn't say "no" to peace or he would have been eaten alive by the media.

But by 1999, he was right. And then how W. got blamed for North Korea, I have no idea, especially since he kept to the terms of the 1994 agreement . But by 2006, everyone universally agreed that the 2-part talks in 1994 were the biggest mistake every made, as North Korea was just as belligerent in the 6-party talks, exposing themselves.

As far as the pacifists saying we're hypocrites, understand geo-politics. I.e., China keeps nukes out of North Korea, and we keep them out of Taiwan. But most Americans, much less the TV personalities, don't understand the first thing about geo-politics. They are regional, not this 1-on-1 non-sense, hence why the 2-party talks were a major mistake that everyone all agrees they were now.

So ...

When Saudia Arabia and other nations are totally against the Iranian deal, and see it as "outside parties negotiating on their behalf," you know it's bad. At the same time, Iran has 5x the air defense sensory capability of all our European and mainland Asian allies combined. So it's not like Israel and the US can do much from the air without incurring serious losses.

It's ironic how THAAD was heavily developed under the Clinton administration to protect South Korea, in Iran and other countries, but not deployed there to protect our troops, or in Europe for that matter. All the meanwhile the equivalent 300X and 400 sensory systems are deployed by Russia everywhere, anyone who wants it, and is far more capable what those same allies have (PAC-3 -- extremely limited in comparison).

We are so behind. China and Russia have new offensive systems, ours are 50 years old. Our 20-30 year advantage in defensive systems are no longer, let alone the TV media goes screaming any time PAC-3, much more THAAD or NTW (which is limited to seas, and only 20% coverage) is deployed, something about "causing inbalance." But when 300X or 400 is deployed to Iran, "oh, it's just defensive."

We're in such a wishy-washy, TV media-driven, geo-political ignorant leadership role now, our allies are leaving us ... and for good reason. Sigh ... and they publicly hated Reagan for Pershing II, yet it brought the Russians to the negotiation table, and our allies thanked us. We deserve what we get I guess.
 
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This is what you get when you send a amateur to do a professionals job. What a joke this entire administration is.
 
This is obviously a GREAT deal, because Obama gets to put his name on something.... Details don't matter.
 
Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia (16) are now contracted with Russia to build nuclear "power plants".
 
This is what you get when you send a amateur to do a professionals job. What a joke this entire administration is.
I purposely try to avoid being critical of any administration. But the proof that the President's foreign policy is a joke is in how many of our allies are now leaving us, and seeking others.

In the President's defense, some of this is the US media's doing too, including before his administration. We're at the point the American public is grossly ignorant of how poor our position is now.

When Russia went into Georgia in '07, they raked W. constantly and prevented him from doing anything. E.g., when W. sent in unarmed Coast Guard ships into the Black Sea, just to deliver supplies, including adhering to the NATO-Russian agreement by removing other warships (only X are allowed on the Black Sea), the US media absolutely charged W. with "trying to start a war."

So it didn't surprise me one bit when Russia went into the Ukraine. Georgia was the "probe" to see how we'd react. We reacted extremely poorly, even after the UN et al. found Russia allowed their "allies" to commit genocide.
 
Atleast when Iran has a nuke in 11 years Jenna Bush will be able to blame Obama when she's in the oval office. Barry has his feather for his cap though.
 
Sky is still falling, huh?
Ask those in Israel and they probably would say yes. So Iran keeps on building their ICBM's, there are no real inspections of the nuke sites and this is all a good thing. Oh and they also get $150 billion in relief, sounds like a square deal all the way around. This is why you don't elect someone with no business or government experience.
 
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