It is funny how the same things were said about GOL 14 years ago.
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1 person dead and probation but nobody cares as long as we win right?
“ That was the only thing that bothered me in this whole situation: He was never held accountable for anything. ”
— Dustin Vaitekunas
“ That was the only thing that bothered me in this whole situation: He was never held accountable for anything. ”
— Dustin Vaitekunas
Again, old news.
First off ... tying GoL to anything probation is a major stretch. If you don't understand, then go read the full history.
Secondly, as far as Plancher ... we'll never know the truth. Why? It would have never gone to court had the lawyers not been able to convince a judge (who was later overruled by the Florida Supreme Court) that UCF was on the hook for more than the $200,000 cap. That's why other universities in Florida don't go to court, and why you don't get testimony or rulings on negligence as a result.
In other words ...
The only reason we don't know anything about other kids who very much did die in other programs in Florida is because lawyers didn't get a judge to rule they could sue for more than the $200,000 cap. Florida and FSU even filed briefs in our defense because they were very much afraid of the hole that had been opened.
There will always be a "fine line" with coaches. I never had a coach who didn't "push it" with my abilities and health. Until we have kids hooked up to wireless solution so they can be monitored "in-real-time," we'll never be able to prevent these things. And even if we did, there would be investigations into coaches pushing kids at 95% of their heart rate, which is "supposed to be safe," but not always ... and how they are being "abused" by coaches.
In the end ...
It's a tragedy that more than UCF has suffered,
but ...
only UCF has suffered in a courtroom.Seriously ... old news, all around. Why is this only "coincidentally" coming up (yet again) ... just after we lost to FIU? Hmmm?!?!?! This is the type of non-sense that would piss me off if I was GoL. Either make the case when and after it happens, or drop it and accept the results that he's still with the program. Don't use every bad loss as an opportunity to bring it up again.
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I wasn't even thinking about EP when I read this. I was focusing on the remarks about him just not being that good of a coach and being totally exposed when he didn't have a decent OC.
"Notre Dame should be better than George O'Leary. They should be better than his 33 percent graduation rate for players entering his program in 1994, a rate far below the 69 percent for Tech's general student population.
Notre Dame should be better than his 7-5 record and Seattle Bowl season, especially when Tech was expected to be a national championship contender."
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"This was the year people believe O'Leary was exposed without his offensive coordinator, Ralph Freidgen, who happens to the be the national coach of the year for Maryland. A past offensive lineman with inside knowledge of the program sure believes it."
I know he's improved the graduation rate, but 9-3 or 10-2 against CUSA or AAC talent is even worse than 7-5 against ACC talent. His whole career he has been average at best, and only appears on the surface to be better when he finds the right guy at OC to cover for his ineptitude.
Notre Dame should be better than his 7-5 record and Seattle Bowl season, especially when Tech was expected to be a national championship contender."
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"This was the year people believe O'Leary was exposed without his offensive coordinator, Ralph Freidgen, who happens to the be the national coach of the year for Maryland. A past offensive lineman with inside knowledge of the program sure believes it."
I know he's improved the graduation rate, but 9-3 or 10-2 against CUSA or AAC talent is even worse than 7-5 against ACC talent. His whole career he has been average at best, and only appears on the surface to be better when he finds the right guy at OC to cover for his ineptitude.
Er, um, sorry ... disagree. I think he's done a lot for us. It's been the attitude of what the program needs, off-the-field too. But that's just my continued view, and people are free to differ.
But yes, I do see your point on why you posted, and thanx for clarifying. Someone else followed-up to bring up EP, and I recognize that too (that it wasn't you).
I am struggling to see the good he's done here. People like to credit GOL for the OCS, but it had nothing to do with him. It had everything to do with FCS kicking us out of the Citrus Bowl for a year to renovate it and a smart entrepreneur who approached UCF with a stadium design for $50 million.
He won the Fiesta Bowl. Okay. A lot of coaches have won Fiesta Bowls. What else do you have?
He won the Fiesta Bowl. Okay. A lot of coaches have won Fiesta Bowls. What else do you have?
Umm ... you do realize were were not in the ACC when we accomplished those records in C-USA and AAC, correct?
This is the type of BS analysis that burns me up. Yes, UCF is not in a P5 conference. Stop comparing us to as if we were in a P5 conference -- attendance, revenue, recruiting and ... directly impacted by all of the aforementioned ... resulting record.
I think any coach that can win or even dominate their conference -- when they start out at the bottom -- has a lot to with that success. GoL has done that. He has made due with the recruiting limitations and other aspects, and built the program. And beyond that ... he got the right kids, kept their GPA up, made their graduation their primary goal.
But what really made me like GoL is hearing from the parents of our student-athletes at road games. It's the best time to meet some of them, thank them for choosing UCF with their son, and ask them why. That means a lot to me ... because how we run our program it means a lot to them too.
He's a hard @$$, no question. I won't apologize for all he's done in the past either. And after the FIU game, I was very upset ... "25 yards ... a PAT ... a chipshot." But it's now over. We've got a season to play, and conference championship to compete for.
There were several "catalysts" for considering one. But understand before Orsini-O'Leary ... there was not the vision to do it.
I'm glad I got to talk to Orsini at the Hawaii Bowl. He didn't expect us to be there in 2005, and he was uncertain we could sustain the luck we had into 2006, but long-term, he knew the "GoL program" was what we needed. That's a big boost of confidence in the man, coming from the Co-captain of a Notre Dame team no less.
Again ... same attitude ... we were not in a P5 conference. You can could then number of programs that have won BCS games from non-P5 conferences on your hand.
Furthermore ... Pitt and UConn didn't do it from the Big East, the last two teams to go to the Fiesta Bowl, and we sent more people to the game than them combined. UCF football is GoL, like it or not. If you didn't like that, your time to complain was in late 2003 - early 2005. It's now over.
I mean ... when not just P5 programs, but even other AAC programs, think GoL has had a lot to do with our success, and shaking our heads on wanting to fire him, I have to agree. There are many other programs who have shot themselves in the foot pushing out a coach too.
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We were in an automatic qualifying conference for 1 year. Why do you give this key so many passes?
Because everyone said we wouldn't compete and gave the trophy to Louisville before the season even started. Heck ... remember the Bottles v. Godfrey controversy? GoL kept a lot of that quiet, saving faces that were not his.
As much as people lambast GoL, I honestly think he not only has our atudent-athletes beat interests in mind, I've met 2 parents of student-athletes who GoL sheltered from a lot of Orlando Slantinel controversy over petty stuff. He's that type of guy.
Old school. We don't have a program throwing fellow Knights under-the-bus like the one 90 miles west of here for a reason.
My biggest point is I just don't think GOL has performed up to expectations. We (Dr. Hitt) have elevated him to god status. He cannot be fired and will leave when he wants to leave, no matter how much harm it brings the program. What has he done to deserve this? We've given GOL everything, certainly more than Boise State ($43 million to their $37 million), and we can't even perform at their level with all of our advantages, both monetarily and just simply location.
Here is a stat for you - I went all the way back to 2003 (the farthest Rivals shows) and cannot find an out-of-conference game against a lesser foe that Boise State has lost. You only have to go back 1 week for UCF. With all of Boise's disadvantages compared to us, they are 122-19 compared to our 81-61 since 2004, the start of our GOL nightmare. That is a tough reality that the hugger crowd seems to want to ignore.
Here is a stat for you - I went all the way back to 2003 (the farthest Rivals shows) and cannot find an out-of-conference game against a lesser foe that Boise State has lost. You only have to go back 1 week for UCF. With all of Boise's disadvantages compared to us, they are 122-19 compared to our 81-61 since 2004, the start of our GOL nightmare. That is a tough reality that the hugger crowd seems to want to ignore.
BSU has been performing since 1998.
UCF was in shambles after 2003 when GoL came in.
ESPN labeled us as the "worst team in college football" after 2004, which was not a team GoL built at all, let alone he kicked 20 kids off. GoL had a heart attack in the middle of his initial recruiting, let alone he was "holding on for the ride" of the 17 game losing streak that started before he got here.
Just HTF could you compare an university that was already a 7-year, WAC dominating program with one that was literally in tatters is beyond me. Really dude. Take UCF after 7 years of GoL, and start from there. Now you have a more apples-to-apples comparison.
Boise has screwed up at times. They do lose. Heck, we played Nevada in 2005 because they did. But yes, they have a longer-standing, better G5 program on-field because that's all they've done throughout the 21st century! No argument.
Also keep in mind that the PAC-12 does/did play the MWC/WAC! There are only so many schools on the west coast, as there are vast distances involved. We don't exact have the same here in the east.
When you cannot compare apples-to-apples, no one is going to listen. I mean, Dude ... get real!
Okay. UCF after 11 years of GOL: 0-1 to start the season with a loss to about-to-lose-P5-status FIU. Boise State: 1-0 with a win over a P5 school.
There is your apples to apples.
UCF after 10 years of GOL: Loss to 2-10 UCONN whose only other win was against Stony Brook. Boise State: Win against 2-10 UCONN whose second win of the season was against UCF.
Enough apples for ya?
You mean UCF has a habit of blowing 1 game that should be a gimme a year? Oh yeah. Your point?
I mean, Boise State has screwed up in the past. They have been knocked off in-conference several times by a lesser team, resulting in a 7-1 conference record. Heck, P5 teams lose to non-P5 teams. I give every coach at least 1 bonehead game a year.
But if your point is that GoL has not put us at the top of our conference in most years ... they you are gravely mistaken. A lot of G5 teams would love to have our conference record.
So yes ... we don't have the 17 year run of a Boise State. Agreed. That's 1 G5 team we haven't managed to "catch up" to yet. So ... what's your point? That GoL has failed us because he hasn't given us a 17 year run like Boise State?
He's given us 7 good years out of 11. Again, I don't know many other G5 teams that can say that ... short of Boise State. That's 1 G5 we haven't "caught up" to yet.
My problem with George isn't the day to day operations more so who he has surrounded himself by. Chuck should have never ever been hired. He has failed everywhere he has been, but George hired him anyways despite having one of the worst defenses according to advanced metrics In The country. Then there is Key who has failed his way upwards. The assistants have taken a severe drop off this year amd that's where I have an issue.
GOL sucks sucks sucks
Hitt sucks sucks sucks
Key sucks sucks sucks
The whole world is a bunch of damn nuthuggers and we should all burn burn burn in hell hell hell!!!!!
Dude.., maybe you should join ISIS. You're a perfect fit and I hear they are hiring.
Why does anybody respond to this guy? If GOL won 40 games in a row, he'd say "he just got lucky. It was only because of the talent and assistants." Btw, the talent that he would have hired and the program recruited. As if coaches like jimbo fisher coach every position at FSU, is the sole recruiter, and tutors the students. It's called a coaching staff and a football program for a reason.
It's all because we're not Boise State ... the G5 program with the best record for the last 17 years. Because we're not, GoL has failed in his view.
Your point would be valid if GOL could win 40 games in a row. Right now he can't figure out how to beat UCONN and FIU. Tell me that is the sign of a program on the rise.
Sad that you think a message board is going to end his tenure before he wants to. You do realize he's coach AND AD, right?
It's sad how many people don't realize he's built a top 5 G5 program ... having previously taken over when it was heading straight into the gutter.
Stability and graduation rates do wonders for recruiting ... especially the UCF type of student-athlete.
Firm,
Why do you continue to repeat the same thing over and over and over and over again. Do you not realize you are wasting your time?? Do you go to games?? Do you contribute positively in any way other than complain???
I'm in Cali right now getting ready to cheer for my team.
Have you thought about joining ISIS as well with that other clown?
Why do you continue to repeat the same thing over and over and over and over again. Do you not realize you are wasting your time?? Do you go to games?? Do you contribute positively in any way other than complain???
I'm in Cali right now getting ready to cheer for my team.
Have you thought about joining ISIS as well with that other clown?
^^^^ And USF and others ...
The difference between them and UCF is because a lawyer got a Judge to rule UCF wasn't bound by the $200,000 cap. Had that not happened, no one would have had their day in court.
And because the Florida Supreme Court overruled that Judge once and for all, it will never happen again either. That's why Florida, FSU and others filed briefs in our defense.
Sad that you don't realize that a message board is meant for expressing opinions.
Speaking of terrorism, you are just fine with GOL terrorizing UCF and holding us hostage. Just remember that I spoke up way before the losing seasons, which are very near. Of course I go to the games. Do you go to practice?
Why stop at "terrorist"? Why don't you just call him "Hilter"?
So? I remember 2006 as much as 2008 and 2011. I will remember this year, good and bad.
Until I hear parents of student-athletes complaining about GoL's attitude, I'll even give him another 0-2 win season. Once per decade is not unheard of in any program. But the fact of the matter is that we're hitting 3-4 winning seasons out of every 4-5 now.
Am I even in-town for them? Not all of us are in Orlando during the week.
If we want to get into a pissing contest ... then I'll lose to people who have 43 foot boats and who can otherwise afford to make whatever they want, because they have limited, other obligations. Which brings me to this point ...
My heros are the alumni who have 2-3 kids, work 40+ hours/week, and still manage to give to the program, by sacrificing the little things in their lives. I will never guilt people for not making games. People have priorities, and they don't always line-up well with UCF games.
I only guilt people who feel the need to make excuses, and usually when they make them against something I didn't say. E.g., trying to save money by not buying via the UCFAA, so they don't have a single ticket for a keepsake, not that they had to travel to Arizona and incur other expenses or inconveniences.
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Might as well go for UFO Aliens while we're at it ... although that might be as racist as "Knights" according to some.
You do realize practices are now closed to the public, right?????
Yeah, I think that should have been my wake-up call.
C & F (just missing a U?
) definitely got me with the 1-2 combo trolling in a couple of threads.
We lost to FIU!!! Time to start building fallout shelters in my backyard!! It's doomsday I tell you!!!
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