It's official! Rand Paul is running for president!
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I got excited as soon as the quadriennial clown circus kicked off with Cruz's announcement. I love seeing the Republican party eat its own head in the primaries.
Yea, having actual competing viewpoints to listen to in debates is just awful!
Meanwhile, the Democrats are just buying time before having to anoint Clinton as their pick, with little enthusiasm, if she can stay out of the news for more violations of State Dept policy or obstructing congressional investigations.
On that topic, and with the caveat that I don't follow poli-shit-ans as much as many on here do, who else is being whispered (or not whispered) for the Dems? Is it going to be a Clinton and Biden race? Biden seems obvious to me only because of being veep, but he doesn't strike me (albeit I don't really know him other than what we see on t.v.) as being motivated to be POTUS.
The left wing socialists all want Elizabeth Warren to run, since she says populist socialist things and has a disdain for people who make lots of money. However she's a terrible speaker and has yet to say something of substance other than Wall Street sucks and death to rich people.
Agree, it's great to have the GOP expressing competing viewpoints in a debate, because it lets people see just how batshit crazy and/or influenced by donor money some of those guys are.
Even the halfway sane ones have to say crazy stuff just to get the nomination. Then they have backtrack all the way up to the election.
Lol. Name the last far right winger that was nominated... These guys never get any traction. Morons.
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They should just lie all the way through their campaign and Presidency and say stuff like "If you like your plan, you'll get to keep it!" until people figure out it's been a lie the entire time.
That'd be much better*
I'd love to see Martin O'Malley involved. Dems need to have healthy primaries & not just push through a flawed candidate.
"influenced by donor money some of those guys are"
You think Democrats are any less influenced by donor money or less batshit, lol
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You think Democrats are any less influenced by donor money or less batshit, lol
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What is amusing is watching democrats make excuses for their only candidate all the while knowing that if the republican was accused of a tenth of whT Hillary was accused of they would be attacking. Watching the dems sell their soul for someone as bad as Hillary is very entertaining.
I wonder if you even realize that Paul recently endorsed a plan to spend $190B extra over the next 2 years on emergency defense funding.
It'd be great if you had a clue when typing things on here, even just for once.
As hard as the base kicked Jeb Bush in the balls at CPAC, I wouldn't be surprised if this year's the year one gets through.
You obviously don't know what CPAC is. They've been blowing the Paul's for the last decade.
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Actually, the exact opposite is true. Romney lost mainly in part because he ran a dumbass campaign where he veered to the right to appease the Tea Party people instead of just running as a capable center-right candidate which he had been for his entire career.
The Democrats are going to run Hillary and/or some left wing mouthpiece like Warren. Both are going to run on leftist populist campaigns, which if you've watched 2010 and 2014 election cycles, are now terrible platforms to run on.
That means the Republicans need only to run someone who can get out the independent center-right middle class vote which sat out the 2012 election. The right wing of the base isn't going to vote for Hillary or Warren and they typically have good turnout anyways.
There is no need to run a guy like Cruz or Paul.
anon_x731qvsnsyb8i
Diamond Knight
He may not win, but damn I wish he does.
Rebuilding the strength of checks and balances in government - Agree
Believes that just because there's a government, you don't have to prove it by just making more laws - Agree
Keeping money in country instead of giving to foreign nations that hate us. - Agree
Reduction of the surveillance state and unconstitutional overreach by the NSA - Agree
Stopping the flow of illegal immigration on the porous southern border - Agree
Reduction of Wall Street's "lobbying hand" in Washington. - Agree
Rebuilding the concept of hard work. - Agree
Maintaining a strong national DEFENSE - Agree
Stop foreign nation building - Agree
Rebuild bridges on interstates in dire need of repair and not bridges in Ukraine - Agree
I differ with him, fundamentally, on some things though in regards to his pandering the Evangelicals and some neo-con beliefs interwoven that aren't "socially progressive" enough for me.
But not enough to dissuade me from agreeing with his MAIN points...and he's not a Social Engineering lover.
This post was edited on 4/7 2:47 PM by Malthus Doctrine
Rebuilding the strength of checks and balances in government - Agree
Believes that just because there's a government, you don't have to prove it by just making more laws - Agree
Keeping money in country instead of giving to foreign nations that hate us. - Agree
Reduction of the surveillance state and unconstitutional overreach by the NSA - Agree
Stopping the flow of illegal immigration on the porous southern border - Agree
Reduction of Wall Street's "lobbying hand" in Washington. - Agree
Rebuilding the concept of hard work. - Agree
Maintaining a strong national DEFENSE - Agree
Stop foreign nation building - Agree
Rebuild bridges on interstates in dire need of repair and not bridges in Ukraine - Agree
I differ with him, fundamentally, on some things though in regards to his pandering the Evangelicals and some neo-con beliefs interwoven that aren't "socially progressive" enough for me.
But not enough to dissuade me from agreeing with his MAIN points...and he's not a Social Engineering lover.
This post was edited on 4/7 2:47 PM by Malthus Doctrine
"Keeping money in country instead of giving to foreign nations that hate us. - Agree"
What does this even mean? Aside from maybe Pakistan, who sucks, I don't know of many foreign governments who actually hate the US. Maybe people do in their country, but so do many Canadians. So do many Brits. It doesn't mean you cut diplomatic ties with them or stop aid.
To my knowledge, no foreign aid is flowing to Iran, Russia, Belarus, N Korea, Venezuela, etc
What does this even mean? Aside from maybe Pakistan, who sucks, I don't know of many foreign governments who actually hate the US. Maybe people do in their country, but so do many Canadians. So do many Brits. It doesn't mean you cut diplomatic ties with them or stop aid.
To my knowledge, no foreign aid is flowing to Iran, Russia, Belarus, N Korea, Venezuela, etc
Who are the top republican candidates for 2016? I dont really follow this type of stuff like some of you guys do.
anon_x731qvsnsyb8i
Diamond Knight
Then stop giving it to Pakistan. I don't have all the answers, however I think the spirit of the idea makes absolute sense. You know what I meant, there's a difference between a philosophical hatred in the nations you mentioned and a desire to bomb the F$#! out of someone.
If we're going to eliminate people based on stupid shit they've said, we're not going to have any candidates.
defence spending does not equal going to a foreign country and putting boots on the ground...try againOriginally posted by UCFKnight85:
I wonder if you even realize that Paul recently endorsed a plan to spend $190B extra over the next 2 years on emergency defense funding.
It'd be great if you had a clue when typing things on here, even just for once.
That's it, spin the narrative. Spin away.Originally posted by Dmarino110:
defence spending does not equal going to a foreign country and putting boots on the ground...try againOriginally posted by UCFKnight85:
I wonder if you even realize that Paul recently endorsed a plan to spend $190B extra over the next 2 years on emergency defense funding.
It'd be great if you had a clue when typing things on here, even just for once.
Are you kidding me? Thats all you do Ever...Originally posted by UCFKnight85:
That's it, spin the narrative. Spin away.Originally posted by Dmarino110:
defence spending does not equal going to a foreign country and putting boots on the ground...try againOriginally posted by UCFKnight85:
I wonder if you even realize that Paul recently endorsed a plan to spend $190B extra over the next 2 years on emergency defense funding.
It'd be great if you had a clue when typing things on here, even just for once.
Are you kidding me? Thats all you do Ever...Originally posted by UCFKnight85:
That's it, spin the narrative. Spin away.Originally posted by Dmarino110:
defence spending does not equal going to a foreign country and putting boots on the ground...try againOriginally posted by UCFKnight85:
I wonder if you even realize that Paul recently endorsed a plan to spend $190B extra over the next 2 years on emergency defense funding.
It'd be great if you had a clue when typing things on here, even just for once.
Romney won the independent vote. His problem was 3 million republicans who voted for Mc Cain didn't vote for him. He lost his base.
It is official, I am a republican.. Why, mainly because their primary will actually matter!
Also I have very Moderate views!
My last few people I really wanted to win, were in 2008 Joe Biden, and in 2012 I like Jon Huntsman.
So far i have no clear cut person I like most.
But I will be honest Rand Paul is not bad, but not electable.
He would get the youth to vote GOP over Democrat which would be a very interesting swing in votes that normally vote blue.
I have not made my mind up yet.
People I might actually vote for, not bad candidates as I belive these days, problem is name recognition.
These are the main candidates, who do you think will get the nomination?
Kelly Ayotte
Jeb Bush
Ben Carson
Chris Christie
Ted Cruz -
Mitch Daniels -
Mark Everson
Carly Fiorina
Lindsey Graham
Nikki Haley
Mike Huckabee
Bobby Jindal
John Kasich
Peter King
Rand Paul
Tim Pawlenty
Mike Pence
Rick Perry
Marco Rubio
Brian Sandoval
Rick Santorum,
Tim Scott,
John Thune,
Donald Trump,
Scott Walker,
Allen West
My top 5: in no order
Jeb Bush
Chris Christie
Mark Everson
Lindsey Graham
Marco Rubio
This post was edited on 4/8 1:48 AM by mach3ucf
Also I have very Moderate views!
My last few people I really wanted to win, were in 2008 Joe Biden, and in 2012 I like Jon Huntsman.
So far i have no clear cut person I like most.
But I will be honest Rand Paul is not bad, but not electable.
He would get the youth to vote GOP over Democrat which would be a very interesting swing in votes that normally vote blue.
I have not made my mind up yet.
People I might actually vote for, not bad candidates as I belive these days, problem is name recognition.
These are the main candidates, who do you think will get the nomination?
Kelly Ayotte
Jeb Bush
Ben Carson
Chris Christie
Ted Cruz -
Mitch Daniels -
Mark Everson
Carly Fiorina
Lindsey Graham
Nikki Haley
Mike Huckabee
Bobby Jindal
John Kasich
Peter King
Rand Paul
Tim Pawlenty
Mike Pence
Rick Perry
Marco Rubio
Brian Sandoval
Rick Santorum,
Tim Scott,
John Thune,
Donald Trump,
Scott Walker,
Allen West
My top 5: in no order
Jeb Bush
Chris Christie
Mark Everson
Lindsey Graham
Marco Rubio
This post was edited on 4/8 1:48 AM by mach3ucf
hes a senator, he ha to play the game where his father did not...
he also knows he has to appeal to the right wing nut cases to get nominated in the primaries...
I think Christie has a 0.0 chance of winning. he has burned too many bridges.
Jeb Bush will have insider support and the big $$ I won't vote for him but he likely is the favorite now.
Scott Walker is getting a lot of the early buzz,
Rick Perry could do well, if he has learned to debate.
Rubio may be someone who gets votes from right and middle, he did hurt himself with immigration reform bill.
Ted Cruz.....Bobby Jindal......Rand Paul. all of these 3 have a shot, if a couple get out of race early. The conservatives have the heart of the party base, but the inside elites will quickly put all the money and support behind a moderate, likely Jeb Bush. If as usual the conservative vote is split 3 to 5 ways and insider vote is channeled towards one, the insider will win.
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