Judge blocks Trump's effort to list drug prices

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  1. UCFWayne

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    BREAKING NEWS: OBAMA-APPOINTED JUDGE BLOCKS TRUMP ADMIN EFFORT TO FORCE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES TO DISCLOSE LIST PRICE OF THEIR DRUGS
    by Kevin Ryan

    A federal judge has ruled that the Trump administration cannot require pharmaceutical companies to disclose the list price of their drugs in television ads. The effort to introduce transparency in drug pricing has been a cornerstone of the president’s efforts to fight the rising costs of prescription drugs.

    Merck, Eli Lilly, and Amgen sued to block the rule in June, arguing that many patients have health insurance that lowers their out-of-pocket costs, and seeing the price insurance companies pay might lead them to stop taking drugs they needed.

    Judge Amit P. Mehta, appointed by President Obama in 2014, ruled today that the Department of Health and Human Services exceeded its regulatory authority by seeking to require all drugmakers to include in their television commercials the list price of any drug that costs more than $35 a month. The rule was set to take effect this week.

    SOURCE: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/08/health/drug-prices-tv-ads-trump.html
     
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    https://www.apnews.com/d7fa14b4872c4353a740d7e3331a3f46

    Trump signs order that aims to reveal real health care costs

    President Donald Trump signed an executive order Monday that calls for upfront disclosure by hospitals of actual prices for common tests and procedures to help keep costs down



    Not too long ago trump created an executive order to call for the upfront pricing at hospitals. this is something i have wanted to see for a very long time. its too bad this latest effort to list the pricing for the drugs is being shot down. i think it would also have a positive long term effect on the prices of drugs.
     
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    Why do you always have to lie when you cite your sources? The source you are quoting is "Unbiased" America. You do this every time. Is it intentional, or do you honestly not know how to give proper credit where it's due?
     
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    Trump doing great work again.
     
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    If someone can give me a reason why insurers and hospitals both agree to keep this secret that doesn't involve screwing patients I would love to hear it.
     
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    Thats sad. I tried 2 go a year without insurance and just paying out of picket 1 year ( I spent $4k on health insurance the year before and didnt get sick and only got a $85 physical). I feel I saved more money that year. I wouldnt do it not b/c Im in my 40s, but the hardest part of that year was getting simple prices to pay out of pocket. I always had 2 call in, nothing is listed online. I dont see the point with pharm drugs b/c it varies by state. But definitely feel medical offices need to list their "no insurance" prices.
     
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    "Mehta ruled that requiring big pharmaceutical companies to disclose prices to consumers in television advertisements is something that can only be done by HHS if mandated by congress."
    Congress should write something up then and move through the process right?
     
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    Obamacare you don't want to go that route or get penalized
     
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    Obamacare penalty is around $695. I got hit, but still saved. I was paying over $300 monthly for private insurance. Paying out of pocket. I spent maybe $350 total 4 the year. But like i said, it was a gamble on my health. I got lucky i only caught the flu. Had something more serious happen i would have been assed out. To be honest Im for a single payer or socialized healthcare plan 4 this country. Im not going 2 debate why, b/c i dont feel like going thru the motions.
     
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    If you got crazy sick you could file medical bankruptcy. Wink wink
     
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    Ah! We now have an issue that almost all Americans will agree on and as of now Trump is on the right side of this alone. The Dems in Congress would be wise to get legislation pushed through on this if they don't want to have it brought up in every swing district in the country.
     
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    alot of people in here seem to like the things trump is trying to do. what a bunch of racists...
     
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    You won't debate why you're for those things, because those things are utterly not feasible here and no one proposing things like "socialized healthcare" has ever explained how they'll pay for it in a way that is remotely acceptable to the general public.
     
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    The US Military budget is $600 billion...the next 5 countries 4 which are our allies are averaging $35-40 billion. We are the #1 arms exporter in the world..so where is all the money from our military weapon sales going? There are tons of military conflicts that I dont agree with that my hard earned tax dollars go to. Why is it, the military gets a "blank check" with no questions asked, but if we try to give AMERICANS healthcare it gets scrutinized? I know more Americans that died from Health related issues than Al Queda. Until you can explain to me why we need to spend over $400 more billion on our military than any other country, then I dont need to explain to you where the money will comes from for healthcare. There are PLENTY of other countries that have some form of socialized healthcare and are thriving economically and happy. I mean when ya boy Trump wants money to build the wall he declared a national emergency. Maybe we should do that :) I don't have the plan made out, but we have plenty of money to provide healthcare and if needed let's raise taxes. I mean I have paid at least $300 a month for healthcare the past decade. $300 times 12 months is $3600 per year just for myself. And that does not even cover co pays or out of pocket expenses. Even if we raise taxes I feel the average American will pay waaaay less than $3600 a year per year. So don't give me that crap that we can't afford it. I mean do you like paying $4000 a month for insurance? Your health/life shouldn't be a gamble with the insurance companies. Your health/Life should be a means for insurance companies to get rich. You don't ask how the military will pay $100 million for a drone like the one Iran shot down...yet you want to know how we will pay to ensure that AMERICANS are healthy and have healthcare? Did you ask Bush how we was going to pay for an Iraq war? NOPE! But yet you want me to break down all of the details to providing Americans with Healthcare.
     
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    I asked you to rationally explain how these programs were feasible and you responded with some unhinged, typical rant about how awful it is that we have a military and a military budget to go along with it. These are like the Greatest Hits of worthless leftie talking points where the military is the enemy of every spending proposal in existence.

    It's clear you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. You're bitching about the $5B Trump is asking for border security as some sort of impediment of implementing your grand utopian socialized healthcare dreams. It's clear you don't understand that every study on MFA or socialized medicine shows that we'd need another $3.5 -5 Trillion dollars in spending per year to do it. That goes ON TOP of our current $4.5 Trillion budget.

    So here, I'll use your own dumb rant and help explain things. Let's eliminate the military all together. We'll exist as a nation by hoping that Canada and Mexico send their troops to die on our behalf should we need defending. Ok, great. $600B freed up! That means that we only need to find another $3 - $4.3 Trillion dollars to make this whole thing work! Wooo!! Look at how feasible this all is!
     
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    If I could figure it out then I probably would be working for the government. But what I do know is that Americans as a whole spend around $3.5 trillion or $10,739 per person every year. Maybe we should consult with other countries to see how they do it. Like i said, i refuse to believe it can't be done or we can not try it. Maybe if the gov't stop buying $10k leather chairs for congress or $40K on a desk like ya boy Ben Carson, then we probably do have the money. Not to mention there are a variety of Socialized healthcare options that combine both the private and the public sectors of Healthcare. It's not only one way to do it. What i dont understand is the lack of a desire to even try. b/c at this point there are millions of Americans w/o healthcare and millions of Americans paying too much. Why is it always a "one way or the other" when it comes to issues? Once again, there is always a compromise if people just open up their minds.

    https://www.thebalance.com/universal-health-care-4156211
     
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    Ok, so if we stop buying nice couches for Congress then we can probably implement a $5 Trillion MFA plan. Got it.

    :okay:
     
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    If that is all you took then you are stuck in your mental and happy with the way things are. I said there are plenty of ways to set up a system in which all Americans are covered and provided a link that breaks down how other countries do it. This is why i don't have a political affiliation. B/c rather than figure out a Healthcare plan that works so that all Americans are covered you simply say it can't work and not even worth trying. My last statement basically said, there needs to be a COMPROMISE b/c private and public healthcare options. If both parties would stop fighting and FOCUS on FIGURING out how to provide all Americans with Healthcare then we could resolve this issue. I think its safe to say that MOST Americans are not happy with the current set up. That is just my view, if you want to beat your republican chest and resort to the name calling then go ahead. But what solutions for Healthcare do you have that provides all Americans Health insurance?
     
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    The reason that a public option is not feasible is because it is only a matter of time before that system bankrupts itself and the powers that be use the authority of the government to absorb the private system as a way to make it solvent. A public option would only enroll people who are high risk, high cost customers because they would be priced out of the private market. Every democrat presidential candidate acknowledges this and it's why they are all in favor of making private insurance illegal. What you are suggesting is what a real progressive would advocate for because they would see it as a step in the direction they want to go. That's what proves that all of the Dem candidates are actually socialists in the vein of Lenin.

    Name one industry that benefits from a lack of competition.
     
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    This guy is like the far left version of UCFBS
     
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    The article you linked isnt by Kevin Ryan do you care to explain why what you quoted and your "source" aren't matching up?

    Do you need someone to explain to you what the word source means?
     
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    lol look at what lengths you'll go to just to be a dick
     
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    i am quoting from a facebook group called unbiased america. they aggregate alot of news articles and post summaries. that is what i posted in here as well as numerous other posts. im so deeply sorry i forgot to list unbiased america as my original source will you ever forgive me?
     
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    So is our current system of healthcare working? are most Americans happy paying $4k-$10k per year on health insurance? There are other countries in which the private and public sector of Healthcare lives in perfect Harmony. I just hope one day there is a movement from both parties or an independent candidate that will resolve this issue one day. I just don't feel that i should be paying $4k per year for my health.
     
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    i was happier before obamacare. i payed less and got more coverage for the money.

    looks like trump is trying to make real improvements like listing the prices of a doctors visit as well as prescription drug prices.
     
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    Are you seriously bitching about spending $4,000 a year on your own health care?

    Newsflash: you'd pay a hell of a lot more than that if we suddenly went to a single payer, monstrosity government run healthcare system.
     
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    Plenty of countries have health care systems where they don't pay nearly as much per person as we do. Secondly, he is saying he spends $4000 on health insurance. Insurance and healthcare are not the same thing. Someone could easily have a major health issue and spend well beyond the $4000 they spend on their insurance premiums.
     
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    If $4,000 is the figure we're using here then no, it's not cheaper elsewhere. I work with Canadians and can guarantee you they pay more than $4K a year in taxes for their "free" health care.

    To your 2nd point, he didn't say $4K was a premium or a deductible. He just said $4K which I take to mean all-in. Which would be absolutely nothing. I pay close to $7,500 in premiums a year thanks to Obamacare inflating premiums years ago, but my max out of pocket for a family of 4 is only $3,500. And my work puts $1,000 into my HSA every year so I'm really only paying out of pocket for 2/3 of that total expense.
     
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    Yes I am bitching. I feel more tax dollars should be allocated to healthcare and I want all my fellow AMERICANS to be covered period. I feel the politicians whose salaries I pay need to figure it out. I will vote for most politicians that share my same view no matter what party affiliation. I feel more tax dollars need to go to education as well. Whats funny is that you have blind faith that our military will protect us from bad guys with no questions asked. News Flash that is a government ran system. Yet when it comes to our government "protecting our health" the gov't is suddenly incompetent? We will just have to agree to disagree my friend. You have done NOTHING to change my mind.
     
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    sorry buddy,AMERICANS were complaining about Healthcare since I was a kid. Don't give me that. Hell we don't even give good healthcare to our veterans. They don't seem to be too happy either. Don't forget when those "uninsured" go to the emergency room, the tax payer pays for it. So you will pay for it one way or the other.
     
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    You are right about the $4000 figure, but obviously most people in America spend way more than that, which you know. There are several countries that are below $5000 though.
    https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...-spend-half-much-per-person-health-u-s-spends
     
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    I see. So due to the fact that our military is clearly superior to any conventional force on earth, that somehow means that the government running a $5 Trillion per year healthcare program is "can't miss". [roll]

    I'll give you a hint: the government already runs a healthcare system here. It's called the VA, and it's a total fuking disaster and exists on a scale that is a fraction of what a nationalized health care system would be.

    You're supremely butthurt about the US military and extremely eager for the government to take over 2/5 of our economy via nationalization. Is this what they teach at USF? Bunch of dopey left wing professors who have hot takes, such as "Why Che was actually a great guy"?
     
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    I was low balling it. The $4k was just for me. That doesn't include spouses or kids. But let them tell it, Universal Healthcare is the worst thing in the world. In the end, it will just take a lot of Americans to get fed up and start a new movement.
     
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    our military is clearly superior to any conventional force on earth….I'll give you a hint: the government already runs a healthcare system here. It's called the VA, and it's a total fuking disaster and exists on a scale that is a fraction of what a nationalized health care system would be” so let me get this straight. Our government is ABLE to create a military so great….except for the hospitals to take care of the soldiers? I love the hypocrisy of Republicans. You LOVE and PRAISE the military so much….yet you or your Republican politicians are cool with the gov’t giving a half assed effort for the VA? Where is the outrage? Why aren’t you upset that our soldiers are provided bad Healthcare, for such a “great” and “superior” military? Are republicans just that much against figuring out how to give military soldiers and AMERICAN civilians good and affordable Healthcare? If our gov’t is that capable of making such a great governmental force called the military, I think they are capable of figuring out a universal healthcare plan. It’s more about desire and effort than capability. I mean you say I’m butthurt about the military budget...well yes I am. B/C most of it does not go to the soldiers who are risking their lives, safety and health to protect our country. I also don’t agree with a lot of the moves our military makes that causes us to have the need for such a big military. How are we the world police when we are the #1 arms exporters. Half the middle east got their military capability from weapons we sold them. So we sell every country on this planet jets, tanks, guns, missiles and bombs and then we claim the world is dangerous and we need $600 billion for weapons every year? You cannot be the world police and the #1 arms exporter…that is a conflict of interest. We went to war with Iraq to take out a man that was once our ally. Saddam Hussein was our homeboy when he was waging war against Iran and killing them with chemical weapons. Bin Laden and the Taliban were our homies when they went to war against Russia. It seems that most of our military conflicts the UNITED STATES created by making a deal with the devil. The Iraq and Afghanistan war costed us about $5.6 Trillion dollars. Maybe we should have let the Russians beat the Taliban in the Russian/Afghan war. B/c that is what led to 9/11. So when I bitch about the military budget it’s not b/c I want a weak military it’s b/c I’m tired on my tax dollars going to gov’t contractors who make $100 million drones that get shot down with Iranian missiles while our soldiers come back home and can’t even get decent Healthcare. By the way I graduetd from UF, but USF is a great school as well and UCF probably has a bunch of "leftist" professors as well lol You sound like a Fox News talking point lol

    https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/papers/2017/USBudgetaryCostsFY2018
     
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    @UCFKnight85 is a perfect example of what the hell is wrong with our society.

    @UCFWayne posted literally fake news, got called out and 85 is whining like a goddamn little bitch that you are hurting his snowflake feelings.
     
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    Nobody has anything for this? Best healthcare system in the world, folks, believe me
     
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    Dude- I’m not reading your shitty Bull/Gator posts until your learn where the enter button is and how to form a paragraph. This is utterly unreadable and your selective bolding of words doesn’t help
     
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    you got nothing. i think the repeated losses the dems have taken lately are starting to effect you personally. you should consider putting down the phone and getting some fresh air.
     
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    :cool2: I kind of don't care. I come here out of boredom. And annoy people like you. It's fun.
     

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