Juneteenth Will Be a Federal Holiday

Crazyhole

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What is WIDELY misunderstood about the 3/5 compromise is that it was never about an enslaved person’s humanity.

Slave states wanted slaves counted 100% when determining population and representation in Congress, even though they had no voting rights.

Non-slave states did not want slaves counted in drawing up the representative makeup of the House of Reps (and by extension, the electoral college).

This was a fight over the balance of power in congress between free and slave states, and the compromise was to allow a slave to count for 3/5.

If this was only about their humanity, it seems the side in favor of slavery is the one that wanted them to be counted fully as a human (except for, ya know, their inalienable rights, freedom, voting, etc) while the side that supposedly didn’t want them to be counted was doing so with the long term goal of not letting the slave states gain enough power to prevent the federal abolition of slavery.
Quite the paradox, isn't it? Slave owners wanted to consider them 100% human beings, equal to all others, while the abolitionists only wanted to consider them 3/5ths human. Hard to take a side on that one.
 

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Slave states wanted slaves counted 100% when determining population and representation in Congress, even though they had no voting rights.
I always thought the 3/5th Compromise destroyed any moral standing that American slave-owning States had. The Southern States had argued that they were humanitarians 'protecting' their slaves because they were 'too inferior' to fend for themselves. They also pointed to Bible passages to defend slavery.

But when it came to political power? Those same Southerners were quick to say 'the Blacks are all human beings and should be counted 100%!'
What is WIDELY misunderstood about the 3/5 compromise is that it was never about an enslaved person’s humanity.
I agree with your statement. However, the fact our country's leaders argued over "how much slaves should count?" was as direct a slam on these enslaved peoples' humanity as it gets.
 

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Quite the paradox, isn't it? Slave owners wanted to consider them 100% human beings, equal to all others, while the abolitionists only wanted to consider them 3/5ths human. Hard to take a side on that one.
Abolitionists didn’t want them counted at all.

It’s hard to argue against the abolitionist position when you consider their legal standing in slave states. Slaves had no rights to speak of, so making an argument that the slave states should benefit from their residence in that state while affording them no basic human rights is a tough sell.
 

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sort of related but great response
Nobody has a problem with open mind and being well read. They have a problem when CRT classes take a military unit into a classroom, put all the white soldiers on one side and the POC soldiers on the other, and then tell one side that the other side is racist and is oppressing them, whether consciously or not.
 

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They have a problem when CRT classes take a military unit into a classroom, put all the white soldiers on one side and the POC soldiers on the other, and then tell one side that the other side is racist and is oppressing them, whether consciously or not.
CRT classes have done that? i find that hard to believe.
 

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Quite the paradox, isn't it? Slave owners wanted to consider them 100% human beings, equal to all others, while the abolitionists only wanted to consider them 3/5ths human. Hard to take a side on that one.

Slave owners wanting them to count as part of the population for representation #s in congress. They didn't want to count them in the population for the benefit of the actual slaves.
 
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sk8knight

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Referring the 2018 caption of the caravas. Now the situation is worse with "cages" and nobody cares. It was all political.
You’re talking to a group that agreed with all the commentators that said Trump was Hitler and everyone right of center were brown shorts and Nazis. They have no leg to stand on calling out Fox News for anything.