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Kentucky Clerk Jailed for Refusing to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

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Did she have the twins our of wedlock? I thought she was married at the time of the twins just not to their father.....
 
I don't get this; is there really only one person in a county that can issue licenses? Why couldn't they have just moved her out of that job? Or worse, fired her? I had no idea that a clerk had this type of power.
 
I don't get this; is there really only one person in a county that can issue licenses? Why couldn't they have just moved her out of that job? Or worse, fired her? I had no idea that a clerk had this type of power.
Clerks are elected officials, at least in flordia.
 
I don't get this; is there really only one person in a county that can issue licenses? Why couldn't they have just moved her out of that job? Or worse, fired her? I had no idea that a clerk had this type of power.
She's an elected official so she can't be fired. Because that makes so much sense, doesn't it?
 
LOL..
the **** are the f word it works.
but somehow it will not all it.

WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:
force Kim Davis to accept God's Law and be stoned for adultery unless she follows man's law and does her ****ing job.
Kim Davis has declared that she will obey God's law over the laws of men. Why? Because gay people make her feel icky and she feels they shouldn't be allowed to be married.

As a county clerk in Kentucky whose job it is to follow the law and issue marriage certificates, her arrogance at setting herself above the law is only surpassed by her hypocrisy.

Davis has been divorced THREE times, engaged in multiple counts of adultery and even had children out of wedlock. If she's so committed to God's law, surely she should accept the punishment God's law calls for: Being stoned to death.

Should she refuse to accept God's law, then Davis must immediately do the job she has willingly accepted compensation to perform or resign immediately.



Published Date: Sep 02, 2015
Issues: Civil Rights and Liberties, Criminal Justice and Law Enforcement, Human Rights

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...she-follows-mans-law-and-does-her-****ing-job
 
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Now I'm curious.

This woman actually went to jail for failing to uphold the law, as is correct.

Yet somehow Obama chose not to uphold and enforce certain immigration laws and gets away with it?
 
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Basic civics class dude. SCOTUS can't make law, only nullify which they did. Kentuckys marriage law was nullified because it limited it to 1 man and 1 woman. At the moment Kentucky has no marriage law.
 
Basic civics class dude. SCOTUS can't make law, only nullify which they did. Kentuckys marriage law was nullified because it limited it to 1 man and 1 woman. At the moment Kentucky has no marriage law.

This is exactly it. On legal grounds she is actually more solid than everyone wants to let on. She stopped issuing marriage licenses all together, not just same sex. There is no current law in Kentucky regarding marriage. The law defining marriage in Kzy was ruled unconstitutional. Until the legislature creates new law, signed by the governor, she isn't technically breaking the law. She is simply defying a judges directed order. She hasn't been charged with a crime and probably cannot be.
 
Now I'm curious.

This woman actually went to jail for failing to uphold the law, as is correct.

Yet somehow Obama chose not to uphold and enforce certain immigration laws and gets away with it?
While I agree with the sentiment. She hasn't actually violated a statute, simply a judges directive. Whereas many people in the Obama administration outright violate statutes regularly. It should be noted that Bush and every other president does the same too. They all need to be held accountable. Laws are laws for people until they don't personally disagree with them.
 
This is exactly it. On legal grounds she is actually more solid than everyone wants to let on. She stopped issuing marriage licenses all together, not just same sex. There is no current law in Kentucky regarding marriage. The law defining marriage in Kzy was ruled unconstitutional. Until the legislature creates new law, signed by the governor, she isn't technically breaking the law. She is simply defying a judges directed order. She hasn't been charged with a crime and probably cannot be.

This is Barack America you don't have to be charged with a crime to be locked up long term.
 
Michael Savage made the following point on his radio show. If the clerk in Kentucky has to go to court for not following the law, then what about the sheriff in San Francisco who kept releasing the illegal alien who shot the young woman in the back. He broke the law by not deporting that scum bag.
 
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Michael Savage made the following point on his radio show. If the clerk in Kentucky has to go to court for not following the law, then what about the sheriff in San Francisco who kept releasing the illegal alien who shot the young woman in the back. He broke the law by not deporting that scum bag.
Yes because sheriffs have the power to deport people
 
Sheriffs have the power to turn illegals over to ICE or keep them in jail. This president has selected which laws to enforce and which ones not to.
Is Obama the judge that put her in jail? I'm no fan of any politician, but it's weird to blame the president for enforcing or not enforcing the rule of law. That should be done in the judicial branch of the government.

Also, the argument that she did something bad and so did a sheriff (even though they were two different "offenses") and as a result should be treated the same is absurd. Davis should have resigned instead of becoming a mini tyrant. She didn't and, thus, she was jailed. The circumstances were vastly different than the sheriff's in some other state and, consequently, the decision was as well. Do you really want judges to make legal decision based on completely different crimes in other states? Why should a guy in Florida get the death penalty for murder when some lady sold drugs in Iowa and only had jail time?
 
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Is Obama the judge that put her in jail? I'm no fan of any politician, but it's weird to blame the president for enforcing or not enforcing the rule of law. That should be done in the judicial branch of the government.

Also, the argument that she did something bad and so did a sheriff (even though they were two different "offenses") and as a result should be treated the same is absurd. Davis should have resigned instead of becoming a mini tyrant. She didn't and, thus, she was jailed. The circumstances were vastly different than the sheriff's in some other state and, consequently, the decision was as well. Do you really want judges to make legal decision based on completely different crimes in other states? Why should a guy in Florida get the death penalty for murder when some lady sold drugs in Iowa and only had jail time?

They are similar though. Both are elected officials that ignored the law. One is OK though because the President and DOJ also ignore that particular law.
 
Is Obama the judge that put her in jail? I'm no fan of any politician, but it's weird to blame the president for enforcing or not enforcing the rule of law. That should be done in the judicial branch of the government.

Also, the argument that she did something bad and so did a sheriff (even though they were two different "offenses") and as a result should be treated the same is absurd. Davis should have resigned instead of becoming a mini tyrant. She didn't and, thus, she was jailed. The circumstances were vastly different than the sheriff's in some other state and, consequently, the decision was as well. Do you really want judges to make legal decision based on completely different crimes in other states? Why should a guy in Florida get the death penalty for murder when some lady sold drugs in Iowa and only had jail time?

I don't know for sure if it's the Sherrif's office in SF, or the local government agencies responsible for doing so, but they willfully chose not to disclose to ICE when they had illegal aliens as they were required to do. They'd release them on their own discretion without ever alerting the Federal Government that they had illegals who were violating Federal law.

All because the idiots in SF wanted to be compassionate little communists and help people avoid the law of the land.

That's the point here. Why this woman in KY is jailed yet no one went to jail in SF after a woman wound up dead thanks to a sanctioned policy by actual governmental officials there.
 
I don't know for sure if it's the Sherrif's office in SF, or the local government agencies responsible for doing so, but they willfully chose not to disclose to ICE when they had illegal aliens as they were required to do. They'd release them on their own discretion without ever alerting the Federal Government that they had illegals who were violating Federal law.

All because the idiots in SF wanted to be compassionate little communists and help people avoid the law of the land.

That's the point here. Why this woman in KY is jailed yet no one went to jail in SF after a woman wound up dead thanks to a sanctioned policy by actual governmental officials there.
I understand the argument. I just think it's extraordinarily reductionistic. The circumstances of each case are very different and should be thought of as such. I'm not supporting the moral or legal actions of either person. I'm only arguing against the argument.
 
Is Obama the judge that put her in jail? I'm no fan of any politician, but it's weird to blame the president for enforcing or not enforcing the rule of law. That should be done in the judicial branch of the government.

Also, the argument that she did something bad and so did a sheriff (even though they were two different "offenses") and as a result should be treated the same is absurd. Davis should have resigned instead of becoming a mini tyrant. She didn't and, thus, she was jailed. The circumstances were vastly different than the sheriff's in some other state and, consequently, the decision was as well. Do you really want judges to make legal decision based on completely different crimes in other states? Why should a guy in Florida get the death penalty for murder when some lady sold drugs in Iowa and only had jail time?

Have you read the constitution? The executive branch and specifically the President takes an oath to enforce and uphold the law. Read the "take care" clause of the constitution.

In the case of the SF Sheriff, he had an order from Ice to hold this guy who killed the girl on the bridge and he refused to follow the federal order to hold hi for deportation.
 
Looks like she was released from jail with Mike Huckabee by her side.

“God showed up in the form of an elected official: Kim Davis,” Huckabee said. “Today I was proud to stand with Kim Davis as she was released from jail. Kim Davis should have never been locked up for being a Christian and for following her conscience and the law.“
 
Short Answer:

The civil clerk is in contempt, inhibiting civil rights which are the domain of the federal. The ACLU is 100% right here. Legally, this is the direct equivalent of a civil clerk denying an African American the right to register to vote.

However, the state of Kentucky caused this problem, because does not provide policies and procedures for "conscious objectors" to opt-out, without inhibiting or otherwise delaying the right of those to be married, utilizing other authorities, as do those of states like North Carolina, who foresaw this issue, as even several US Supreme Court Justices warned would happen.

So the right is really not in a good position on this. But the left is ignoring one very basic tenant that has long existed in the US workforce, including for civil servants. Everyone loses.


TL;DR Answer:

Again, some of the dissenting Supreme Court Justices in the prior ruling predicted this would happen. It's the reason why the ruling wasn't 9-0, when it could have very much been so. This is irrespective of the fact that, legally, what this county clerk is doing is not short of denying an African American the right to Voter Registration -- again, legally speaking. But here comes the other side of the same reality ...

I.e., the fact that many states have failed to enact legislation to enable "Conscious Objection" in the case of marrying couples when the county clerk's name is on the license, while they have all sorts of other policies and procedures for similar in many other cases, would be an issue. The clerk was even willing to allow her office to issue marriage licenses, as long as her name is not on them, even though they are from her county. But the state of Kentucky doesn't care, unlike the state of North Carolina that enacted legislation to ensure this.

As a result, the county clerk is in contempt and guilty of Civil Rights violations, as the ACLU correctly asserts. It's not a "gay issue." It's a civics issue, one where the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Civil Rights, as it had to, but several Justices recognized the "Reasonable Accommodation" of "Conscious Objection" would be an issue in some states that failed to implement solutions prior. So the state of Kentucky is to blame for this as much as the clerk of one of their counties.

Good NY Times Opinion Piece on the Matter: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/07/opinion/we-dont-need-kim-davis-to-be-in-jail.html

Otherwise, understand most of the conservative justices have been deeply disappointed in most of the legal arguments preventing marriage equality, and have been heavily siding with the liberals, as those lawyers have utterly failed to make their cases in terms of civics and public interest. In reading most of the arguments personally, I have to agree. The lawyers on the right-leaning political spectrum seemingly have an IQ of under 80, and fail to put forth arguments that make any sense, legally. Not even ones that attempt to use historical basis.

Including the fact that Anglo-American law is actually based on Judeo-Christian law at points (which is why there are mixed rulings on the display of the Ten Commandments -- whether they are in legal/historical, or religious/non-historical, contexts). Instead, the left utterly smashed their arguments wholesale and absolute, showing the sheer, classic "separate, but not equal," especially considering the dozens, if not even 100+ forms, required to obtain the same level of "union" which quickly becomes a Civil Liberties issue.

The fact that this multi-time divorced county clerk started by denying a couple of 10 years, who patiently waited for it to become legal, and are raising a daughter with down syndrome is just icing on the cake for the left. Anyone on the right who says this is a "jurisdiction" and "States' Rights" issue really needs to step back and realize Civil Rights are one area where the Federal can trump the State, and the US Supreme Court very much has made that determination.

At the same time, those on the left need to realize that the "separation of church and state" doesn't mean any and all "Conscious Objections" are null'n void, and should not be accommodated, not even when "Reasonable Accommodation" is possible, and has been done many times before for civil servants, even county clerks. The recent US Supreme Court rulings on "Reasonable Accommodation," including religious for those of Muslim Faith, very much dictates otherwise.

One of the more recent rulings being EEOC v. Abercrombie: http://www.oyez.org/cases/2010-2019/2014/2014_14_86
 
Have you read the constitution? The executive branch and specifically the President takes an oath to enforce and uphold the law. Read the "take care" clause of the constitution.
In the case of the SF Sheriff, he had an order from Ice to hold this guy who killed the girl on the bridge and he refused to follow the federal order to hold hi for deportation.
The problem right now is that the Organized Crime and many Violent Offenders who are not citizens know how to "game the system," and use the haven/harbor cities against the US Federal Government.

It's not that the average, undocumented worker is more violent than the average American citizen. It's that they have more avenues to avoid arrest (let alone prosecution) than the average American citizen. Add in the massive amount of Organized Crime involved with illegal immigration, and it's out-of-control.

Until the left gets serious about this, and wants to actually focus on the "real problems," instead of lambasting Sheriff Arpaio who has a real problem in Arizona -- a major flashpoint for this with a 57% violent crime rate being done by undocumented residents -- we won't solve that. That will also require the right to stop looking at any illegal immigration as the problem, and focus on the crime aspects -- which Gary Johnson (former gov't of New Mexico) and Jeb Bush (former gov't of Florida) are trying to get the right to do -- and offer real solutions.

Today the left just wants its new voting pool, and doesn't care.
And the right loves to argue for new H1B Visa cap raises.

And we all suffer ... the hardworking immigrant who wants a Green Card, the MS or PhD in engineering or science that cannot stay in the US and the IEEE says should have a Green Card stampled to their diploma (let alone their kids already speak English, if not 2+ more languages), and the qualified American who is replaced by an underqualified, but American-trained, H1B Visa who is not allowed to get a Green Card for a decade-plus (if ever). All while the undocumented residents get free care and education, where the left is a majority.

BTW, for the left ... "Give us your sick, tire, poor ..." doesn't mean, "come on in and we'll take care of you." It means however a potential American has been labeled ... they should have the opportunity to prove otherwise. That's what Johnson, and now Bush, have repeatedly stated ... give undocumented residents the hope of future citizenship, with a 1 strike rule, and you'll suddenly solve the "rampant fraud" problem that the left is all too eager to appease.
 
Tonya Parker, Texas judge.
In the Judge's case, she wasn't required by law to marry. She also deferred to other judges, per her right. A county clerk in Kentucky doesn't have that option, unlike than say ... in Alabama, where the state does not require county clerks to provide marriage licenses (and several counties are now opting out of all).

So while I agree with you on principal, the law looks at it another way. Especially since it was the 14th Amendment cited and ruled up on, Equal Protection clause. It is a bit Ex-post-facto in the case of Judge Parker but -- again -- she was not required by law to marry in her state.
 
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