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Life, liberty,amnesty and "free" sh!t for all!

fabknight

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The group of voters that like to vote in people that give themselves lots of "free" sh!t just got larger.

Democrats voted for it to increase their voting base.
Republicans voted for it to provide corporations lots of cheap labor.

Conservatives will never win another election again.

This post was edited on 3/6 7:27 AM by fabknight
 
He is talking about funding homeland security. Business gets cheap labor which drives down wages, and with SS cards Obama will get them, many will vote illegally.
 
Yes, how awful of them to fund the agency responsible for deterring terrorism within our borders.*
 
Originally posted by UCFKnight85:
Yes, how awful of them to fund the agency responsible for deterring terrorism within our borders.*
30K employees out of 250K would have been furloughed. Homeland security would not have been shut down even remotely.

The part that annoys me is that bill funds the executive order that basically gave amnesty to the illegals. No deportation.
 
So now instead of having illegal people taking your unskilled job, they will be legal. So nothing changes.
 
Originally posted by fabknight:



Originally posted by UCFKnight85:
Yes, how awful of them to fund the agency responsible for deterring terrorism within our borders.*
30K employees out of 250K would have been furloughed. Homeland security would not have been shut down even remotely.

The part that annoys me is that bill funds the executive order that basically gave amnesty to the illegals. No deportation.
Do you not understand that it is political nuclear suicide to be playing around with the DHS funding bill at a time when ISIS is beheading Americans on video tape and calling for Jihad within US borders?

They'll fight the amnesty order but they wisely recognized that doing it via DHS is an idiotic idea.
 
Originally posted by UCFKnight85:

Originally posted by fabknight:




Originally posted by UCFKnight85:
Yes, how awful of them to fund the agency responsible for deterring terrorism within our borders.*
30K employees out of 250K would have been furloughed. Homeland security would not have been shut down even remotely.

The part that annoys me is that bill funds the executive order that basically gave amnesty to the illegals. No deportation.
Do you not understand that it is political nuclear suicide to be playing around with the DHS funding bill at a time when ISIS is beheading Americans on video tape and calling for Jihad within US borders?

They'll fight the amnesty order but they wisely recognized that doing it via DHS is an idiotic idea.
It's short term political problem but the allowing amnesty is long term political murder of conservative influence in the government. The Rebooblicans sold their conservative soul.

DHS would not have shut down. Fight the amnesty order LOL. The Feds have already been illegally holding off the deportation of thousands and thousands of illegals that they were supposed to have already deported. The rebooblicans aren't fighting sh!t - I already told you, it's cheap factory labor and maid service. The sold their collective conservative soul.
 
Just so I'm clear, are you applying to be a maid or fruit picker, and this is your cause of concern?
 
Let's kick all the illegals out and let the price of farmed goods go through the roof. Brilliant.

Maybe if there weren't so many people sitting around all day drinking beer and smoking dope on the govt tit, but no.
 
Yeah, I agree, let's take advantage of illegals living in squalor and filth so we can have cheap produce. We're providing them a free education and free healthcare.

LOL if you think prices for farm goods are going to stay low now that they will no longer be illegal. At least the Feds won't be talking out of both sides of their mouths in that there will no longer be illegals for farmers to hire and they will no longer be penalized and fined for hiring them to keep prices low.
 
Originally posted by fabknight:

Yeah, I agree, let's take advantage of illegals living in squalor and filth so we can have cheap produce. We're providing them a free education and free healthcare.

LOL if you think prices for farm goods are going to stay low now that they will no longer be illegal. At least the Feds won't be talking out of both sides of their mouths in that there will no longer be illegals for farmers to hire and they will no longer be penalized and fined for hiring them to keep prices low.
Where did I say make them legal? Are you kidding me? Why don't we just leave it the fukc alone.

Squalor and filth, lmao. If they don't like it, they can go back. But for some reason, they keep on coming.
 
Having represented a few farmers in labor disputes, I can tell you that food prices are going to go even higher -- not because of speculation in the futures market, pressure on the market from overseas buyers, and inflation as we have seen lately -- but honest increases in the cost of production. Processors and wholesalers can't eat losses forced upon them by the Wal-Marts of the world, so the cost of food is going to go substantially up or Americans will begin to readjust to a life style where things like tomatoes and lettuce aren't served on every item on the menu because it simply isn't available at the price point they are willing to pay or that the retailer/restaurant owner is willing to provide it. We saw this with the Yum Brands dispute here in Florida with the wage demand for $1 more a box. Wal-Mart stopped stocking tomatoes briefly and Quiznos put a sign on the door that said No Tomatoes, until the wholesalers caved and started eating the difference with the growers.

Making these people legal means that growers have to start insuring them, collecting taxes and FICA, etc. That will make the product cost more and people will have to be employed to administer that.

It also means that they will start paying social security and contributing to Medicare, as well as other social services they are going to perform anyway. And when they get too old to pick fruit or mow your lawn, they will be on the books when they transition into other parts of the economy.

And that's the problem and the failure of the amnesty of 1986. The idea was to get these people paying taxes and contributing to social security so the whole system doesnt go bankrupt. The problem is that the Clinton Administration was in the pocket of Big Ag and they promptly decided to ignore the amnesty and visa reforms, import more illegals, and pocket the difference once they could employ foreign workers again and the prices stayed the same.

Cynics will say that this cycle will happen again. It probably will, but don't fool yourself. This isn't about "an act of love" or "racial solidarity" or even making sure a demographic votes for a party for a half century. Its about tax revenue and keeping Social Security afloat through alternative means on both sides of the aisle, because the middle class has had just about enough in cost of living increases lately. You will pay for it and more through higher prices.

Secondarily, it isn't about farm workers at all for the Democrats. It isn't talked about directly, but they desperately want amnesty and immigration reform for skilled technology workers so they can import foreign workers from India and elsewhere who will work for dramatically less in Silicon Valley than the average American educated 28 year old software guy who finally grew up and realized that living downtown in a closet and buying action figures sucks compared to making a decent wage and raising kids in the suburbs. Mark Zuckerberg doesnt want to subsidize that. He wants big bonus checks for him and his friends. So screw the 45 year old dot com guys that have been around since the beginning and their child support payments. Its time to get the law changed so I can lay them off and pay someone desperate enough to accept $50,000 to live on a couch in the Valley as a short term worker so they can send money home, rather than have the money stay here and provide a wage to someone who will contribute to the efficiency and well being of our society, regardless of their color or national origin. Its happened little by little over the past five years. The dot coms are trying to leverage the public's fear of being viewed as racist if they oppose immigration reform into a vehicle to increase their profits. The Obamas and Reids of the world are all too willing to take multi-million dollar donation checks to facilitate this process.

So if anyone says its about giving legitimacy to persons who do jobs "Americans" won't -- hold on to your wallet and tell your friends in Silicon Valley to cancel Christmas.






This post was edited on 3/6 1:10 PM by HuffyCane
 
Making Huffy's points in shorter form. 1. They won't fix the underlying problem so these new workers will live off the government while they are undercut by new illegals. 2. Liberal tech firms want cheaper labor and don't want to screw with H1Bs when they can just import cheapish labor.
 
Originally posted by UCFKnight85:
Originally posted by fabknight:



Originally posted by UCFKnight85:
Yes, how awful of them to fund the agency responsible for deterring terrorism within our borders.*
30K employees out of 250K would have been furloughed. Homeland security would not have been shut down even remotely.

The part that annoys me is that bill funds the executive order that basically gave amnesty to the illegals. No deportation.
Do you not understand that it is political nuclear suicide to be playing around with the DHS funding bill at a time when ISIS is beheading Americans on video tape and calling for Jihad within US borders?

They'll fight the amnesty order but they wisely recognized that doing it via DHS is an idiotic idea.
You're wrong, they will not fight amnesty because there is no difference between the main stream republican party and the democrat party. They both want amnesty, its just the democrats are honest about it while the republicans are afraid to stand up to the groups like the Chamber of commerce.
 
Originally posted by HuffyCane:
Having represented a few farmers in labor disputes, I can tell you that food prices are going to go even higher -- not because of speculation in the futures market, pressure on the market from overseas buyers, and inflation as we have seen lately -- but honest increases in the cost of production. Processors and wholesalers can't eat losses forced upon them by the Wal-Marts of the world, so the cost of food is going to go substantially up or Americans will begin to readjust to a life style where things like tomatoes and lettuce aren't served on every item on the menu because it simply isn't available at the price point they are willing to pay or that the retailer/restaurant owner is willing to provide it. We saw this with the Yum Brands dispute here in Florida with the wage demand for $1 more a box. Wal-Mart stopped stocking tomatoes briefly and Quiznos put a sign on the door that said No Tomatoes, until the wholesalers caved and started eating the difference with the growers.

Making these people legal means that growers have to start insuring them, collecting taxes and FICA, etc. That will make the product cost more and people will have to be employed to administer that.

It also means that they will start paying social security and contributing to Medicare, as well as other social services they are going to perform anyway. And when they get too old to pick fruit or mow your lawn, they will be on the books when they transition into other parts of the economy.

And that's the problem and the failure of the amnesty of 1986. The idea was to get these people paying taxes and contributing to social security so the whole system doesnt go bankrupt. The problem is that the Clinton Administration was in the pocket of Big Ag and they promptly decided to ignore the amnesty and visa reforms, import more illegals, and pocket the difference once they could employ foreign workers again and the prices stayed the same.

Cynics will say that this cycle will happen again. It probably will, but don't fool yourself. This isn't about "an act of love" or "racial solidarity" or even making sure a demographic votes for a party for a half century. Its about tax revenue and keeping Social Security afloat through alternative means on both sides of the aisle, because the middle class has had just about enough in cost of living increases lately. You will pay for it and more through higher prices.

Secondarily, it isn't about farm workers at all for the Democrats. It isn't talked about directly, but they desperately want amnesty and immigration reform for skilled technology workers so they can import foreign workers from India and elsewhere who will work for dramatically less in Silicon Valley than the average American educated 28 year old software guy who finally grew up and realized that living downtown in a closet and buying action figures sucks compared to making a decent wage and raising kids in the suburbs. Mark Zuckerberg doesnt want to subsidize that. He wants big bonus checks for him and his friends. So screw the 45 year old dot com guys that have been around since the beginning and their child support payments. Its time to get the law changed so I can lay them off and pay someone desperate enough to accept $50,000 to live on a couch in the Valley as a short term worker so they can send money home, rather than have the money stay here and provide a wage to someone who will contribute to the efficiency and well being of our society, regardless of their color or national origin. Its happened little by little over the past five years. The dot coms are trying to leverage the public's fear of being viewed as racist if they oppose immigration reform into a vehicle to increase their profits. The Obamas and Reids of the world are all too willing to take multi-million dollar donation checks to facilitate this process.

So if anyone says its about giving legitimacy to persons who do jobs "Americans" won't -- hold on to your wallet and tell your friends in Silicon Valley to cancel Christmas.






This post was edited on 3/6 1:10 PM by HuffyCane
Um, Silicon Valley is far from being cheap, and the tech companies are locating there because the tech workers LOVE being there, in the downtown and out of the suburbs. There is little advantage to them to bring these immigrants to Silicon Valley of all places to work.... they're in Silicon Valley because thats where the talent is and has naturally been migrating too. If they're going to replace the tech workers, they're going to put them in a different location where its cheaper to operate and more business friendly as well.
 
Go read up on the so called mirrortocracy and get back to me. The startups and big corps I was referring to aren't moving out of the Valley because that's where all the pasty white geeks in charge live. They aren't going anywhere. So they want the cheapest labor possible. That means H1B and other programs that favor cheaper Indian and East European talent over recent grads here in the U.S. and middle aged existing workers who are sick of being manipulated and under compensated.

This post was edited on 3/7 5:58 AM by HuffyCane
 
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