https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-negative-impact-country-poll-says/468869001/
What do you guys think about this latest poll result?
Majority of Republicans say colleges have negative impact on country
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50% of Americans don't know that it takes the earth a year to orbit to the sun.
I'm thinking that a Venn diagram of your statistics and mine would look something like this:. O
I'm thinking that a Venn diagram of your statistics and mine would look something like this:. O
I think colleges have a negative impact on students today, I also think college is a must. You can't tell me that the majority of college professors that are not in the STEM fields don't lean far to the left. I want my sons to get an education, not an indoctrination.
"The real revelation is the dramatic shift Republicans' negativity has taken over the last two years. In September 2015, during the infancy of the presidential election, more than half of Republicans (54%) said our universities lend a positive effect...Blame for the divide, Young said, lies on both sides of the political spectrum. Most college faculty, she conceded, are liberal, which can create an echo chamber of ideas. Although, she charged the "machinery" of the GOP, including conservative media, with amplifying perceived liberal tendencies in academia."
"Matthew Woessner, a Republican associate professor at Penn State University —Harrisburg, said because of politicized media, Republicans and Democrats are "living in different worlds." He blames both sides, especially when it comes to protest coverage...The study shows Republicans without a college degree who believe universities are benefitting America dipped 20 percentage points in the last two years. It dipped 11 percentage points among those with a degree. Woessner said the statistic is evidence that "those who've actually been to college are able to better contextualize these sensationalistic stories."
Interesting points. I'd be willing to bet the Mizzou "riots" had a lot to do with that shift.
"Matthew Woessner, a Republican associate professor at Penn State University —Harrisburg, said because of politicized media, Republicans and Democrats are "living in different worlds." He blames both sides, especially when it comes to protest coverage...The study shows Republicans without a college degree who believe universities are benefitting America dipped 20 percentage points in the last two years. It dipped 11 percentage points among those with a degree. Woessner said the statistic is evidence that "those who've actually been to college are able to better contextualize these sensationalistic stories."
Interesting points. I'd be willing to bet the Mizzou "riots" had a lot to do with that shift.
I think what the right is seeing is the social impacts and the left is seeing the education aspect. Colleges definitely have a liberal environment, but I'm willing to bet that if you asked the right if colleges have a positive impact in terms of getting a degree, they would have similar numbers in the poll.
You know it's strange, even with my non-stem degree from UCF, I never felt like my professors pushed a political agenda on me. Maybe one or two with some bias, but I remember reading a lot of theory and a lot of opposing views to provide a very well rounded education that opened me up to a broad way of research and thinking.
That being said, I never want UCF to turn into Mizzou non-sense.
That being said, I never want UCF to turn into Mizzou non-sense.
Who the hell talks about politics in class?
I think the difference is here: "I remember reading a lot of theory and a lot of opposing views to provide a very well rounded education that opened me up to a broad way of research and thinking."
It's not strange. UCF doesn't have a large arts presence with a bunch of lefty career academics that never set foot off a campus. I know most of the CoBA professors worked in the real world, I'd imagine it's similar in Engineering and Hospitality.
I got a poly sci degree.
I got a poly sci degree. We definitely talked some politics. But even then, the professors didn't really even push an agenda. More political theory. If anything, the one or two right leaning professors in the department were the ones who made their preferences most known but still didn't push that on the students. But most of the department has changed since I graduated so I have no idea if it's the same.
I am better educated that 99% of most Americans and I strongly believe colleges are detrimental because of the agenda pushing. Get rid of all the liberal bullchit and higher education is awesome.
You are a lawyer so educated may not be the word to use (and it was Tulsa University or whatever the correct name is)
I think the environment at UCF lends to a less politically charged campus. Good weather to party outdoors both semesters and being In the South but not of the South. UF and FSU seem to both be fairly moderate politically as well
More diverse student body may also help
I got my Bachelor's and JD from Tulsa. I love you guys, but TU is ranked waaaaaaay ahead of UCF in terms of education.
the irony is that some of the most hard Left student bodies are in the least diverse States(Oregon and Washington)
Depends. TU is #86 overall in USNWR rankings, while UCF is #176, but UCF is #91 in Engineering, while TU is #151. UCF has no law school (thanks to the gatas), so TU has an obvious advantage there.
UCF is ranked in the #120-137 bracket of the ARWU US rankings, Tulsa is not ranked.
UCF is classified as a Highest Research Activity by Carnegie; Tulsa only ranks as Higher
Most colleges value raising left wing extremists instead of teaching useful skills. Our higher education has become a pathetic cesspool of the biggest left wing degenrates in the country.
It's the liberal arts colleges that mostly push the lefty agenda. UCF is mostly a STEM/Business university so it will never turn into a nutjob socialist campus, there are too many sane people that understand the real world including the leadership. UCF is built on partnerships with business, it would die if it went all Madison or Berkeley.
We definitely need to end these reprogramming camps. Tens of thousands of dollars of debt just to have our kids brainwashed against us. I tell all young people to go to a trade school, join the military and get a tech job have them train the hell out of you and get paid in the process. These universities are toxic and spitting out zombies in degrees of nothingness.
A very large percentage of kids these days go through their youth without learning any marketable skills because their parents are already set on sending them to college, because as we know, you have to get a good education so you can get a good job so you can get a good salary so you can have a good retirement. High school does nothing but provide you with two choices: compete with multiculturals for a degrading career as a fast food joint manager or go to college.
Universities and colleges do nothing but push this insane anti-white, anti-straight, pro-jihad, pro-******, pro-multicult and anti-Trump and anti-American agenda.
A very large percentage of kids these days go through their youth without learning any marketable skills because their parents are already set on sending them to college, because as we know, you have to get a good education so you can get a good job so you can get a good salary so you can have a good retirement. High school does nothing but provide you with two choices: compete with multiculturals for a degrading career as a fast food joint manager or go to college.
Universities and colleges do nothing but push this insane anti-white, anti-straight, pro-jihad, pro-******, pro-multicult and anti-Trump and anti-American agenda.
Repulicans who don't have a college degree: college is terrible!
Republicans who do have a college degree: all colleges except mine are terrible!
Maybe y'all should consider using your own life experiences to form your opinion instead of swallowing Fox News' propaganda. From what I've seen ucf is a fairly typical state school, except for obviously being one of the larger ones. And as everyone in this thread has stated, they didn't feel "indoctrinated" and that is normal. Sure a percentage colleges will have some crazy wack jobs, but that is on both sides of the spectrum (for every UC Santa Cruz there is a Pensacola Christian College).
Republicans who do have a college degree: all colleges except mine are terrible!
Maybe y'all should consider using your own life experiences to form your opinion instead of swallowing Fox News' propaganda. From what I've seen ucf is a fairly typical state school, except for obviously being one of the larger ones. And as everyone in this thread has stated, they didn't feel "indoctrinated" and that is normal. Sure a percentage colleges will have some crazy wack jobs, but that is on both sides of the spectrum (for every UC Santa Cruz there is a Pensacola Christian College).
I can tell you do t live in the northeast. You can't piss up here without hitting some liberal arts private school and the high schools push their students to these schools. If the northern students do go south, the majority look for private schools.
Give me a break. UCF is for now an outlier but rest assured that will change. There will assuredly be a time when I look with disgust at what's going on there.
It's already happened 2 hours north at UF. They issued special statements and offered counseling to students after the election. Their snowflake population demanded emotional coddling after their candidate didn't win. This is at a school that historically had skewed more conservative than the rest of the country.
The entire point of college is changing from being a place to learn and prepare for the real world, to a place where kids are taught what to be outraged and offended by, how to create bubbles and safe spaces, and to be taught that left wing academia is a great option for the rest of their lives.
I honestly think colleges need to get back to the basics. All of these random liberal arts degrees are practically worthless, yet leave their students with loads of debt and no real way to pay it off.
I don't think is the colleges, it is the parents that allow their kids to register for useless degrees just to get them out of the house. AFAIK, parents either pay for tuition or have to cosign for their kids to get student loans. "Dad I want to study music (or history)"; response: "no, here is a shovel. Once you make enough money you can go and pay for your music degree yourself"
I don't know how it works with Bright Futures but it should be for STEM degrees only
Are these students not adults? At what point are these students able to make decisions for themselves? Are there not students doing it by themselves without assistance from their parents?
When you don't need your parent's money or their signature. I think the majority of college students need their parents to cosign to get a student loan (I didn't get one so I don't know)
Yes, I can tell you that majority of college professors don't lean far to the left. Anti-Intellectualism should scare you a bit.
You can point to the parents who ultimately have to cosign the loan. But for me the negligence is on the government.
A low paying degree is higher risk to the lender so a higher interest rate is needed. That higher interest rate makes it untenable for $100k+ loans to exist for these degrees. However, the government has backed the loans which eliminates the risk to the lender. They don't care that it won't get paid back because the government has assured them they'll get paid.
I think the government should only back student loans where we have a demand for labor, such as STEM degrees.
Actually we would be better of eliminating liberal arts degrees from 4 year universities outright. There is absolutely no need for a kid to attend a college for 4 years to emerge with a Theater Degree.
Push them into junior colleges where everything is cheaper.
Of course this won't happen since these major tracks are dominated by the left wing academia that occupy those spots, and assure them that they can live within their left wing academia bubble for most of their life.
It's okay for those degrees to exist at a University but it shouldn't be backed by the Government. If someone wants to get a detailed knowledge of Art History, that's okay. But the government shouldn't assume the risk of the loan needed for the degree.
More and more common folk (Democrat and Republican) are realizing that many profs are off the deep end.
Here's one wacko at Fresno State who first had 2 of his students scrap off "approved" (by a variety of groups/councils) in a free speech area for chalk writing, then Prof joins and and finishes it off by saying on video "University is not a free speech area" (,i.e. views of those that disagree with your liberal ideology).
Here's one wacko at Fresno State who first had 2 of his students scrap off "approved" (by a variety of groups/councils) in a free speech area for chalk writing, then Prof joins and and finishes it off by saying on video "University is not a free speech area" (,i.e. views of those that disagree with your liberal ideology).
Didn't we (UCF) just suspend a student for posting his corrections to an ex's letter? She used UCF and the State University System to throw the book at his 1st Amendment rights, claiming everything, even though they were never designed for her complaint.
Sometimes I almost want to yank my donations to both the Athletics and College of Engineering in protest.
- https://www.thefire.org/schools/university-of-central-florida/
Sometimes I almost want to yank my donations to both the Athletics and College of Engineering in protest.
- https://www.thefire.org/schools/university-of-central-florida/
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