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The better question is: Why in the hell would voter rolls require 'purging' in the days leading up to a January special election? The last vote was just last November for crying out loud!!!!
Because it’s obviously a voter suppression tactic. Purging dead and non-resident people from voter rolls is a racist ploy and keeps live residents from voting.
A LOT of voters apparently died in the last month for there to be a need for yet another purge since the November election, huh?
Why do you care when it happens? It should have happened back in september, so why is December a problem?
Why do you care a judge put a stop to it?
It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out the timing of these voter purges in some Georgia counties is suspect, at best.
I think they were voters that had filled out a national change of address form and were no longer allowed to vote in that particular county. Someone cross referenced the NCOA database with voting records. That’s why those votes were invalidated, but covid and 2020 and shit.
Yeah, who cares if people that vote are eligible to do so. Just as long as the numbers are there, why does it matter right?
From 2019
CORNISH: Now, aren't some states, in fact, taking hundreds of thousands of voters off their registration rolls?
FESSLER: Well, they're taking names off the rolls. It's not clear how many of these are eligible voters or people who have moved or died, and they should be taken off the lists. Advocacy groups call this purges and purging. States call this list maintenance, which, in fact, is something that they're required to do by federal law under certain restrictions.
If the state thinks that a voter has died or moved and is no longer eligible, they can be taken off the rolls, but only after they don't vote in the next two federal elections. But it's a really complicated process. And that's one reason that federal law requires that any of this list maintenance be done well before an election. And that's why we're seeing all this activity right now before the primary season begins
CORNISH: So if you're saying federal law requires list maintenance, do voting groups have a legitimate complaint when they say that this, what they're seeing here, there are mass purges of voters?
FESSLER: Well, almost every time these things are done, some eligible voters end up being removed by mistake. So, for example, Georgia earlier this week took 300,000 inactive voters off the registration lists. That's still being challenged in court. But just yesterday, they reinstated 22,000 of them because there were errors. And so that makes people, you know, suspicious. What else is wrong with this process?
Now, in Wisconsin, it's a whole different case. It's the state that wants to wait until after the 2020 elections to remove some 234,000 voters who appear to have moved. They want to wait because they've run into problems in the past using Division of Motor Vehicle change of address records to clean up their lists. But a conservative group filed lawsuits, saying that the state has to take these voters off the rolls now. And a judge has agreed, but that's being appealed.
CORNISH: Now, aren't some states, in fact, taking hundreds of thousands of voters off their registration rolls?
FESSLER: Well, they're taking names off the rolls. It's not clear how many of these are eligible voters or people who have moved or died, and they should be taken off the lists. Advocacy groups call this purges and purging. States call this list maintenance, which, in fact, is something that they're required to do by federal law under certain restrictions.
If the state thinks that a voter has died or moved and is no longer eligible, they can be taken off the rolls, but only after they don't vote in the next two federal elections. But it's a really complicated process. And that's one reason that federal law requires that any of this list maintenance be done well before an election. And that's why we're seeing all this activity right now before the primary season begins
CORNISH: So if you're saying federal law requires list maintenance, do voting groups have a legitimate complaint when they say that this, what they're seeing here, there are mass purges of voters?
FESSLER: Well, almost every time these things are done, some eligible voters end up being removed by mistake. So, for example, Georgia earlier this week took 300,000 inactive voters off the registration lists. That's still being challenged in court. But just yesterday, they reinstated 22,000 of them because there were errors. And so that makes people, you know, suspicious. What else is wrong with this process?
Now, in Wisconsin, it's a whole different case. It's the state that wants to wait until after the 2020 elections to remove some 234,000 voters who appear to have moved. They want to wait because they've run into problems in the past using Division of Motor Vehicle change of address records to clean up their lists. But a conservative group filed lawsuits, saying that the state has to take these voters off the rolls now. And a judge has agreed, but that's being appealed.
In the article linked by the OP it also makes reference to Federal Law:
"In her Monday order, Gardner ruled that the evidence in each case was not conclusive enough to support their removal and noted that the removals may have violated federal law because the voters were not given proper notice as is required within 90 days of a federal election. "
If there is question over the legality of the removals then shouldn't a judge put a pause on this since the election is.... right around the corner?
"In her Monday order, Gardner ruled that the evidence in each case was not conclusive enough to support their removal and noted that the removals may have violated federal law because the voters were not given proper notice as is required within 90 days of a federal election. "
If there is question over the legality of the removals then shouldn't a judge put a pause on this since the election is.... right around the corner?
There is nothing inherently wrong with cleaning up the voter rolls, the main problem is this process inevitably mistakenly removes some legal eligible voters as well. It’s tricky doing it a week from an election.
We can keep playing this game all we want. Both sides will obviously do what they can to help their team get more votes.. simple as that.
As far as this goes it seem pretty basic. There are apparently Federal Laws when it comes to doing this before elections. Were they violated or not? If there are legitimate questions around that then it should be pretty obvious to anyone that the names shouldnt be purged until after that can be fully ironed out. If that means 18 people get a vote that shouldn't have then so be it.
As far as this goes it seem pretty basic. There are apparently Federal Laws when it comes to doing this before elections. Were they violated or not? If there are legitimate questions around that then it should be pretty obvious to anyone that the names shouldnt be purged until after that can be fully ironed out. If that means 18 people get a vote that shouldn't have then so be it.
You did well there until the last sentence. Trying to quantify it with a small number that wouldn't make a difference shows a bias. Say the same thing but replace 18 with 50,000. Does it make a difference then?
Once people realize that conservatism is a literal dying ideology and the only way to maintain power is to prevent the other side from voting because conservatives no longer have the numbers to win, the entire conservative movement of disenfranchising voters makes sense.
Substitute whatever number you want. If it means that 1 person was wrongfully disenfranchised b/c a couple of counties didn't follow Federal Law then too bad, change the law right?
Yes my mistake for using 18 votes, just didn't feel like doing to math. 81,000 votes in the general election in that county where Biden won by 19K. So something like a 60/40 split. So assuming all 4,000 potential purges were going to vote next week and they split went the same way then that's a 800 vote win for the Reps right?.. yay for Team Red!
If its 1:1, no big deal. If its 20:1, or 1:20 its still probably not that big of a deal. When does it become a big deal though? Would you accept 10,000 fraudulent votes to make sure 1 valid vote is counted?
I don’t think most voters are that ideologically driven. Most people don’t put themselves in a conservative/progressive dichotomy. I’ve spoken to a fair amount of people that are liberal in certain areas, but vote republican because they don’t want our country to become California.
There are certainly areas with in conservatism that are dying, but ideas like universal basic income, massive regulation or critical race theory push people away from progressive politicians.
If you dig into these "clean ups", these 'purges' seem to disproportionally impact minority communities for some strange reason.
Strange how that tends to happen too -- which is why the judge in this case acted as she did. That's a no-no. Federal law requires at least a 90-day notice.
Cleansing the rolls is required by law. Do it within the framework of the law with time to remedy the inevitable mistakes and we have no issue.
Like 88% of voters want a stimulus check. Nobody cares about the deficit. Conservative fiscal hawks don't exist anymore. Another reason conservatism/GOP is dead. A Republican Presidential candidate will never get the popular vote ever again.
The GOP has no ideals anymore. It just exists to cry about trans folks bathroom habits. Reactionary snowflakes.
Well, I think you’re right that the moralistic element of the GOP is the most unsavory aspect of that silly party. However, people will care about the deficit and fiscal conservatism when the government can no longer sell bonds and the dollar has no value. They will just care too late. As bad as it may be, the GOP remains the only alternative to a party that is heading further and further left.
Won't happen. Currencies trade relative to one another, and everybody is doing the same thing. No matter how many dollars there are, as long as they don't outpace others it all balances out. As soon as China or the EU raise interest rates we will follow suit, or vice versa.
There are people on this board that honestly don’t think they or the Democrats they vote for are sliding left. They truly believe the widening gap between them and libertarians, conservatives, or GOP establishment types is because those groups are all moving right.
As someone who has spent more of his life as a Republican than as a Democrat, it's frustrating to see how the GOP has willingly trashed its principles over the years. The Republicans on Capital Hill were enthusiastic about adding a trillion dollars of pre-covid debt to the national budget when it was for a tax break for the wealthy. So it's hard for me to buy it when they suddenly get fiscal conservative balls when its about the people in this country who are truly hurting.
What this country needs is a brand new political party that combines common sense fiscal conservativism with a renewed appreciation of science and the world's changing Social Mores. Let's call it The Responsible Party.
How about the Common Sense Party--one that has its foundation in the middle and not the trailer camp, tornado bait white trash of the right or the greasy, stinking, lazy-ass-free-shit army of the left? Because I don't align with either one and yet, both parties have those cores that ruin it for everyone.
Yeah, and none of them not named Democrat or Republican stand a chance of winning anything of value.
Then whats the point of complaining? Everybody wants a 3rd party but nobody is willing to join one
Because it's fun to complain about this shit. Do you really to have everything explained to you?
Here's a thought: how about retooling the parties we have? Both major parties are so outdated it's ridiculous.
I can see that. Thus, I change my response to “inflation will outpace wages so quickly that the poor will be a larger group and further marginalized while the rich control even more total wealth. The middle class will become a shrinking group comprised of tech workers and vaccine salesmen.”
