Matt Campbell vs George O'Leary

[ucfversusbcs]

Since Matt Campbell started coaching Toledo in 2012 versus GOLs performance at the same time.

Matt Campbell's record at Toledo - 31-13
George O'Leary's record at UCF - 31-16

Toledo's record vs the P5 during Campbell's reign - 2-5
George O'Leary vs the P5 - 4-8 (remove the one year UCF was in the club his record was 0-8)

Matt Campbell has one division title in the MAC
George O'Leary has 2 conference titles and 1 division title

Matt Campbell's bowl record - 2-1.
George O'Leary's bowl record - 2-1.

Matt Campbell's salary - 500k per year (115th ranked)
George O'Leary's salary - as of now 1.8 mil per year (58th ranked) but due to renegotiations that amount could change.

 

[UCFBS]

Fair comparison. And yes, the MAC pays crap in general.

 

[Ace of Knights]

I don't want Matt Campbell. I don't want anyone associated with the MAC or Sunbelt. Honestly, I think it hurts our image.

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

I don't want Matt Campbell. I don't want anyone associated with the MAC or Sunbelt. Honestly, I think it hurts our image.

Meyer came out of Bowling Green. Stop!

 

[ucfversusbcs]

Fair comparison. And yes, the MAC pays crap in general.

Point is Matt Campbell is paid a fraction of the cost that we pay GOL but with about the same success. If you guys want to bask in your trophies, he has one. He's had winning seasons every year. He has two additional trophies for bowl wins. Isnt that important huggers?!? Lets be fair. Winning trophies has to apply to all programs whether its the SEC, the American, the MAC or the FCS. Who gives a crap if you finish in the Top 5 like South Carolina did in 2013 right? Because they couldnt win their conference they did nothing. They beat the best ever UCF team in history, the 2013 American champs and the Fiesta Bowl winners but they couldnt win the SEC....so UCF > South Carolina right?

 

[KnightsofGroveland]

Yes yes yes!

 

[firm_bizzle]

Meyer came out of Bowling Green. Stop!

After he took Utah to a BCS game.

 

[firm_bizzle]

I don't want Matt Campbell. I don't want anyone associated with the MAC or Sunbelt. Honestly, I think it hurts our image.

All of those MAC teams suck in general. Sure you get a good coach every year that excels and wins the MAC, but that doesn't impress me. What are his southern ties?

 

[mattropolis]

Point is Matt Campbell is paid a fraction of the cost that we pay GOL but with about the same success. If you guys want to bask in your trophies, he has one. He's had winning seasons every year. He has two additional trophies for bowl wins. Isnt that important huggers?!? Lets be fair. Winning trophies has to apply to all programs whether its the SEC, the American, the MAC or the FCS. Who gives a crap if you finish in the Top 5 like South Carolina did in 2013 right? Because they couldnt win their conference they did nothing. They beat the best ever UCF team in history, the 2013 American champs and the Fiesta Bowl winners but they couldnt win the SEC....so UCF > South Carolina right?

Same success? No conference titles (not even playing for one) in four seasons. Last time I checked so far Toledo has not even played in a BCS game yet, either. I hope this is not the bar you have set for our next coach. Seems kind of low to me.

I could find some high school coach and compare that as well. They get paid even less and on their level attain even better success than GOL or Campbell. Since you want to compare apples and oranges, to be fair, where is your analysis of how GOL compares to current P5 coaches...all of them. Where is he on that pay scale when compared to teams that have at least 3.3 conference titles and a BCS bowl win? As for South Carolina, the goal of every team is to win their conference every year. Just because they are in the SEC people can't use it as an excuse. They have access to the best players and have huge budgets to compete. They have chosen to be there. It's about competing at whatever level you are at. Matt Campbell is doing very well but we are also doing very well at our level (as a program).

Toledo should be good this year. On paper, 9 of the 11 starters on defense are Senior or RS Juniors. The other two are JRs. On offense they have 8 starters listed as SR or RS Juniors. The other 3 are sophmores. If he stays there for a few more years then you can start to compare someone's tenure to another coach that has been somewhere over 10 years. Let's see what happens when he losses most of his team next season. They don't have an easy MAC schedule left either. They also don't play anybody left with much street cred. Perhaps Bowling Green if they keep winning. They could run the table the rest of this season and have a shot at a BCS game. Unfortunately for them, in all likelihood one of the AAC teams: Memphis, Houston or Temple is likely to be undefeated and already is or would most likely jump them in the polls.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Same success? No conference titles (not even playing for one) in four seasons. Last time I checked so far Toledo has not even played in a BCS game yet, either. I hope this is not the bar you have set for our next coach. Seems kind of low to me.

I could find some high school coach and compare that as well. They get paid even less and on their level attain even better success than GOL or Campbell. Since you want to compare apples and oranges, to be fair, where is your analysis of how GOL compares to current P5 coaches...all of them. Where is he on that pay scale when compared to teams that have at least 3.3 conference titles and a BCS bowl win? As for South Carolina, the goal of every team is to win their conference every year. Just because they are in the SEC people can't use it as an excuse. They have access to the best players and have huge budgets to compete. They have chosen to be there. It's about competing at whatever level you are at. Matt Campbell is doing very well but we are also doing very well at our level (as a program).

Toledo should be good this year. On paper, 9 of the 11 starters on defense are Senior or RS Juniors. The other two are JRs. On offense they have 8 starters listed as SR or RS Juniors. The other 3 are sophmores. If he stays there for a few more years then you can start to compare someone's tenure to another coach that has been somewhere over 10 years. Let's see what happens when he losses most of his team next season. They don't have an easy MAC schedule left either. They also don't play anybody left with much street cred. Perhaps Bowling Green if they keep winning. They could run the table the rest of this season and have a shot at a BCS game. Unfortunately for them, in all likelihood one of the AAC teams: Memphis, Houston or Temple is likely to be undefeated and already is or would most likely jump them in the polls.

He is using hugger logic by being selective in his time frame.

 

[UCFBS]

He is using hugger logic by being selective in his time frame.

Oh, as compared to ...

Complaining about GoL's application in 1979, and his bio carried forward ... even though we hired him in 2004, after he corrected that bio, and we knew full well of the full story? How's that logic "not selective"?

I.e., if you were in a court of law, and you argued that you fired a felon for being a felon, even though he put it on his application, and you hired him any way ... how well would that work out for you?

This is what bothers me most with you guys.
- If you complain about his 1979 application and bio through 2000, we should not have hired him, but we did
- If you complain about Plancher in 2008, we should have fired him then and there, not today

This is what gets to me. Some of you guys want to ignore his prior 3 years, and only focus on not only 2004-2011, but even before 2004. But we hired him. Yet you want to be even more selective than ... say ... the results of his actual, immediately preceding 3 years?

I.e., you're going to pull this sh-- with the next coach ... and those prospective coaches know it! Can you say self-defeating approach?

 

[UCFBS]

Point is Matt Campbell is paid a fraction of the cost that we pay GOL but with about the same success. If you guys want to bask in your trophies, he has one. He's had winning seasons every year. He has two additional trophies for bowl wins.

Against what kind of teams?

We have only a single, G5 bowl loss, and that was our very first year, in OT, by a PAT. That G5 team was also the co-champion of the WAC (with Boise State).

All our other losses are P5.

Isnt that important huggers?!?

So wait?!

First you guys are talking about P5 wins being most important. But then you switch to a guy that has 2 recent bowl wins against 7-5 G5 teams (and a loss to a 10-2 G5 team)! They were teams that were not even remotely close to being a G5 champion. So WTF?!

You guys will skew the statistics to fit your argument, without any objective reasoning. I've admitted where your arguments do make sense, but will continue to call out this type of subjective BS.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

As for South Carolina, the goal of every team is to win their conference every year. Just because they are in the SEC people can't use it as an excuse. They have access to the best players and have huge budgets to compete. They have chosen to be there. It's about competing at whatever level you are at. Matt Campbell is doing very well but we are also doing very well at our level (as a program).

If i recall Toledo, South Carolina and Central Florida are all FBS . Sure one of the goals is to win our conference, but another goal is to rep the conference by winning against teams from other conferences preferably P5. If we can't rep our own conference well how is that going to help us in future TV deals when casual fans perceive us as losers. How is that going to help when other conferences ask what do you bring to the table? Dont tell me we have a big market, nice facilities, wanna see my trophies etc. Dont make it so difficult you have to make it obvious for them. We are paying GOL triple the amount that Toledo is paying Matt Campbell, yet we still have to make our school size obvious to them (the oh did you know UCF has over 60k students crap). Cant we just win more than a conference title? Cant our teams in this conference win more than just a conference title? I see this year is shaping up to be one of those years that were doing more than what UCF does and thats look out for themselves and not the conference theyre in.

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

Losses at home to FIU, FURMAN, UCONN. Horrible play calling. Defense like butter, no pass rush. We never finish the second 1/2 of the game because GOL and Company make no changes. 1950

 

[jtGoldenKnights]

Defense hasn't been bad and has kept us in some games. It's when your offense can't do a thing and your defense is left on the field for the majority of the game is the problem. They just get worn down. Key's hot offense is out in 3 plays.

 

[UCFBS]

Defense hasn't been bad and has kept us in some games. It's when your offense can't do a thing and your defense is left on the field for the majority of the game is the problem. They just get worn down. Key's hot offense is out in 3 plays.

Yeah, I don't like people picking on the D. With a decent offense, we'd do much, much better.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

Yeah, I don't like people picking on the D. With a decent offense, we'd do much, much better.

I dont envy what Bresnahan has gone through. Last year he had a decent defense and a bad offense with South Florida. This year i can imagine him thinking he would be working with a better offense with another year of Holman and another year of Stanback.

 

[lawknight]

UCFBS I'm sort of confused you said GOL only has 1 G5 bowl loss but he's only played 2 G5 teams in bowls correct? So he's 50% against the G5 by that logic?

 

[ucfversusbcs]

Against what kind of teams?

We have only a single, G5 bowl loss, and that was our very first year, in OT, by a PAT. That G5 team was also the co-champion of the WAC (with Boise State).

All our other losses are P5.

Why should the teams they play matter?

So wait?!

First you guys are talking about P5 wins being most important. But then you switch to a guy that has 2 recent bowl wins against 7-5 G5 teams (and a loss to a 10-2 G5 team)! They were teams that were not even remotely close to being a G5 champion. So WTF?!

You guys will skew the statistics to fit your argument, without any objective reasoning. I've admitted where your arguments do make sense, but will continue to call out this type of subjective BS.

Why should the teams they play matter?

 

[ucfversusbcs]

Same success? No conference titles (not even playing for one) in four seasons. Last time I checked so far Toledo has not even played in a BCS game yet, either. I hope this is not the bar you have set for our next coach. Seems kind of low to me.

Thats your criteria for a good coach though right? Someone who's competing for titles and/or winning them. Matt Campbell is obviously doing both and at a fraction of the cost. Thats my point. We paid GOL all this money and Campbell is performing right at GOL levels based on your logic and criteria.....but you go ahead and ignore my point assume this post is about hiring Matt Campbell as the new coach.

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

Defense hasn't been bad and has kept us in some games. It's when your offense can't do a thing and your defense is left on the field for the majority of the game is the problem. They just get worn down. Key's hot offense is out in 3 plays.

good point