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Memphis chokes...

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Memphis still has to learn to win big games when they matter. Not just winning some games. It would be funny if Navy ends up winning the West. Memphis gets a shot at Houston next week. They'll have to start from scratch next year when Lynch leaves early.
 
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how can you call that a choke..Navy is strong team who likely can defeat any AAC team..
 
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how can you call that a choke..Navy is strong team who likely can defeat any AAC team..
Agreed, Navy was way better than I was expecting and they showed up tonight. I hope Houston was taking notes because that triple option is what killed Memphis. I'm still at a loss though because I would have loved to see what could've happened if Memphis won out the season. Navy is getting votes though so it'll be interesting to see if they can get themselves ranked and having more teams from The American in the top 25 doesn't hurt.
 
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how can you call that a choke..Navy is strong team who likely can defeat any AAC team..

They choked. If Memphis wanted a chance at the CFP they had to win. Now they may not even play for the AAC title....may...still a lot of big games left. I didn't say they lost to a chump. It's not about just winning games like Ole Miss. It's more about winning games that matter. Here's what I've always said,"Moral victories can get you ranked. Actually winning when it matters gets you hardware."
 
It didn't matter. Memphis could have won every game by 30 points and they wouldn't have been selected to the 4 team invitational.
 
They choked. If Memphis wanted a chance at the CFP they had to win. Now they may not even play for the AAC title....may...still a lot of big games left. I didn't say they lost to a chump. It's not about just winning games like Ole Miss. It's more about winning games that matter. Here's what I've always said,"Moral victories can get you ranked. Actually winning when it matters gets you hardware."
Good points but its important that all teams in our conference need to beat p5 teams.
 
Memphis got blown-out/crushed at home...and I'm sure Fuentes' attorney/agent is/are on the phones this AM...as he has to take a P5 job this off-season...in a year when he may not win AAC West...let alone AAC Championship...as without Lynch at QB next year...this might be as good as it gets for Fuentes'...as Memphis will probably tumble down or even out of the rankings.
 
Oh you're definitely right that Fuente is gone after this year. And for one, If I were a p5 team, I would not consider him a strong candidate for their head coaching position. Not that I don't think he's a good coach, but I'm always weary of coaches who's success comes while they have a star QB. To me, that's more of an indication of "getting lucky" rather than being a coach who can succeed anywhere. And that's not to say that Fuente didn't have a part in Lynch's growth and development, as we have seen him steadily get better each year. But if we are looking for a coach from a smaller school, I would lean towards ones who have enjoyed steady growth and success with at least some volatility at the QB position. To me, that's a great indication that a coach can succeed in more places at the next level.

This is an opinion that I've had for awhile, and for some reason I decided to share it here. What do you guys think?
 
Oh you're definitely right that Fuente is gone after this year. And for one, If I were a p5 team, I would not consider him a strong candidate for their head coaching position. Not that I don't think he's a good coach, but I'm always weary of coaches who's success comes while they have a star QB. To me, that's more of an indication of "getting lucky" rather than being a coach who can succeed anywhere. And that's not to say that Fuente didn't have a part in Lynch's growth and development, as we have seen him steadily get better each year. But if we are looking for a coach from a smaller school, I would lean towards ones who have enjoyed steady growth and success with at least some volatility at the QB position. To me, that's a great indication that a coach can succeed in more places at the next level.

This is an opinion that I've had for awhile, and for some reason I decided to share it here. What do you guys think?

Interesting observation...but yes, similar situations have occurred in the past when a G5/non-BCS Coach has a great season or two (many times due to star QB), they bolt as soon as the QB bolts.

Some though have been successful at their new P5 programs...others have not.

There is never a guarantee of success or failure when hiring a new HC..regardless of their past.
 
They choked. If Memphis wanted a chance at the CFP they had to win. Now they may not even play for the AAC title....may...still a lot of big games left. I didn't say they lost to a chump. It's not about just winning games like Ole Miss. It's more about winning games that matter. Here's what I've always said,"Moral victories can get you ranked. Actually winning when it matters gets you hardware."

Or.....maybe just maybe, Navy is as good as they are.
 
It didn't matter. Memphis could have won every game by 30 points and they wouldn't have been selected to the 4 team invitational.
I agree. I still think a G5 school will have to basically go undefeated for two seasons to get consideration for the CFP. I think we would have had a good shot in 2014 if Blake and Storm came back. Memphis has made their own destiny thus year and the stars were aligning for them this year, because if they beat Navy they still would have played at least two more ranked oppononents (Houston and Temple...maybe a ranked Temple twice if things went down a certain way). This is my opinion but beating P5 schools is nice (and I agree our conference needs to do this more regularly) but unless you at least play for the conference title it's just going to be looked at as that team choking when it mattered.
 
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Or.....maybe just maybe, Navy is as good as they are.
I think Navy is that good. They played the exact kind of defense we usually play when we have good seasons....bend don't break, and they have a very experienced team. 10 of the 11 offensive starters are listed as Seniors, with the one other guy being a Junior. On defense 9 if the 11 starters are Juniors or seniors with two sophomores playing LB (backed up by a junior and senior).
 
Oh you're definitely right that Fuente is gone after this year. And for one, If I were a p5 team, I would not consider him a strong candidate for their head coaching position. Not that I don't think he's a good coach, but I'm always weary of coaches who's success comes while they have a star QB. To me, that's more of an indication of "getting lucky" rather than being a coach who can succeed anywhere. And that's not to say that Fuente didn't have a part in Lynch's growth and development, as we have seen him steadily get better each year. But if we are looking for a coach from a smaller school, I would lean towards ones who have enjoyed steady growth and success with at least some volatility at the QB position. To me, that's a great indication that a coach can succeed in more places at the next level.

This is an opinion that I've had for awhile, and for some reason I decided to share it here. What do you guys think?
I'm down with the philosophy. The #1 characteristic I'd be looking for is either a coach and his OC and/or QB coach have taken multiple kids and made them solid QBs. Case in point would be something we saw with our own eyes. GOL was a solid coach, but GOL + Taafe = "a great coach". We need to spend the money to get that kind of combination again.
 
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Oh you're definitely right that Fuente is gone after this year. And for one, If I were a p5 team, I would not consider him a strong candidate for their head coaching position. Not that I don't think he's a good coach, but I'm always weary of coaches who's success comes while they have a star QB. To me, that's more of an indication of "getting lucky" rather than being a coach who can succeed anywhere. And that's not to say that Fuente didn't have a part in Lynch's growth and development, as we have seen him steadily get better each year. But if we are looking for a coach from a smaller school, I would lean towards ones who have enjoyed steady growth and success with at least some volatility at the QB position. To me, that's a great indication that a coach can succeed in more places at the next level.

This is an opinion that I've had for awhile, and for some reason I decided to share it here. What do you guys think?

Memphis was 5-31 over the three years before he got there. They were worse than bad they were a joke. The guy has turned them around. To place that all on one QB is a real stretch. There is talent around Lynch and they have molded the offense to him. He is good, but not that good. Fuente is the real deal.
 
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Memphis was 5-31 over the three years before he got there. They were worse than bad they were a joke. The guy has turned them around. To place that all on one QB is a real stretch. There is talent around Lynch and they have molded the offense to him. He is good, but not that good. Fuente is the real deal.
But isn't that what people are saying about Bortles when they want to downplay GoL's success in '12 and '13?
 
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Interesting observation...but yes, similar situations have occurred in the past when a G5/non-BCS Coach has a great season or two (many times due to star QB), they bolt as soon as the QB bolts.

Some though have been successful at their new P5 programs...others have not.

There is never a guarantee of success or failure when hiring a new HC..regardless of their past.

Happens all the time in basketball.
 
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WHEW! UCF fans relieved that Memphis won't impress the Big 12 this season as much as they could have had they won out.
Memphis may have costed the conference an additional $6 million if they made the Final Four. Add Houston or Temple in the NY6 and thats $10 mil total on top of the $12 million the conference receives. With an additional $5 mil for being the best of the G5, we end up back at what the Big East was making during UCFs one and only year in a big conference. That money should help in removing those chain link fences and upgrading our Knight facade and mascot.*
 
Whatever we are 8-1 and you still are a hot dumpter fire with no coach or AD.
As long as we're being honest ...

Memphis wouldn't have had the BigEast, now AAC, invite if it wasn't for basketball. ;)

That said ... still have to give kudos for Memphis taking the invite and conference to the house with their recruiting and subsequent success.
 
As long as we're being honest ...

Memphis wouldn't have had the BigEast, now AAC, invite if it wasn't for basketball. ;)

That said ... still have to give kudos for Memphis taking the invite and conference to the house with their recruiting and subsequent success.
The coincidental rise and fall of the football and basketball programs is bad news for the American, but good news for conference expansion.
 
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