Bernie says it should be 15/hr yet only pays his staff 13. Ironic.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/be...complaining-fleeing-over-poverty-wages-report
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/be...complaining-fleeing-over-poverty-wages-report
Minimum wage
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i mean why stop at $15? why not ask for $25hr? that would put people around $50k a year and no one would be poor!
Why not just print money and give everyone 50k?
I saw people complain that $15 is not enough. Insane world that we live in. What happened to if you want something go out and earn it.
Bernie also doesn't donate much to charity but he is good at giving other peoples money away with increased taxes. Definitely a big hypocrite!
If you’re someone who has been in a job for 3-6 months and has even ONE skill worth anything to that employer, you should not be making minimum wage. I worked at Sports Authority and Publix in HS and college and I was given a raise within 4 months of starting each place pretty much for showing up on time and doing my basic job.
These people claiming they’re making min wage and have been somewhere “for years” are either lying or haven’t obtained a 5th grade education for themselves
These people claiming they’re making min wage and have been somewhere “for years” are either lying or haven’t obtained a 5th grade education for themselves
Sorry, I’m not a Bernie guy. Beat him up at will.
I do believe that a full time job should pay enough to keep an employee off welfare. Why should the Federal Government be subsidizing a company like Walmart for crying out loud????!!?
If you were to make a law that full time jobs have to pay a living wage, Walmart is going to drastically cut their full time employees. It’s not Walmart’s responsibility to make sure that a cashier or a stocker can head a household on what they make. It is the responsibility of that cashier or stocker to obtain the skills using any and all resources at their disposal to earn enough money to head that household.
Since those Wal Mart workers have such a vast array of skills, they should just fire all of these people and release them from the horrible conditions you’re crying about. I’m sure they’ll find another job and the government will have to pay out even more in welfare! Awesome !
He is a typical racist old white liberal, socialist white guy. who hoards his homes and money.
Absolutely. Everybody knows that jobs aren’t around to make a living on, right?
And in Walmart’s case, why pay them more when they can count on Uncle Sam to pick up the slack, right?
But who wants to discuss corporate socialism? Better to get back to railing about Bernie.
Absolutely. Everybody knows that jobs aren’t around to make a living on, right?
And in Walmart’s case, why pay them more when they can count on Uncle Sam to pick up the slack, right?
But who wants to discuss corporate socialism? Better to get back to railing about Bernie.
You think a company paying people based upon their fair market value for the job requirements and skills is “corporate socialism”?
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Holy crap, you left wingers have gone absolutely insane from being fed bullshit for so long by the socialists who run your party today
The term burger flipper is a metaphor for a reason. Nonetheless, let's reward them with a salary of $75,000 a year. I am sure people won't mind paying $15 off the extra value menu.
Here's a thought: don't use dead-end shit jobs as an end to your means and demand more for a job literally anyone, or any machine, could do.
Here's a thought: don't use dead-end shit jobs as an end to your means and demand more for a job literally anyone, or any machine, could do.
Christ, Joey, 15 dollars an hour isn’t even half that!!! And the average McDonalds “burger flipper” makes $4.85 an hour—a whopping $10,000 a year!
It would be nice once in a while if you clowns had a clue what the hell you were talking about.
How in the hell can anyone make an average of $4.85 an hour when Federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour????
It would be nice once in a while if your dumb old ass had a clue what the hell you were talking about.
Jobs are around because people need a service or product supplied and they’re willing to pay money for it. How much money depends on many factors. None of which is primarily to provide a living for someone else. That is a by-product of the individual taking jobs that are valued enough that they earn a living.
If a company decides that it’s in their best interest to ensure they don’t lose people to other employers, then they will pay more. Get rid of welfare and Walmart will have to pay more or they won’t have employees because those employees are going to be finding other jobs. We’re not getting rid of welfare so it doesn’t matter.
One of the theories that open borders economists espouse is that more people means more opportunity for productivity. But this only occurs if those people are motivated to improve their skills, education, and situation. We need to make sure that we aren’t removing that incentive.
I didn't get that one either since you can't get paid that low. BTW everyone picks on Wal-Mart but their starting pay is $10 hour minimum.
I'm wrong and you have to be right, Husk in butt. In my defense, I was curious about what a burger flipper actually makes an hour and pulled up this site:
https://www.google.com/search?sourc........0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0i131.xFuwi4ImpUg
https://www.google.com/search?sourc........0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0i131.xFuwi4ImpUg
Lmao. So apparently you can't read because nowhere on your Google search does it show $4.85 an hour. Hell, the first thing that shows is:
About this Company
McDonald's Restaurants Ltd. pays its employees an average of $9.35 an hour. Hourly pay at McDonald's Restaurants Ltd. ranges from an average of $7.65 to $13.58 an hour
It would be nice once in a while if your dumb old ass had a clue what the hell you were talking about.
Shookster lost it long ago but he constantly reminds us just how frayed and demented his brain is
I so much love this. When did McDonald's start hiring servers? They have cashiers, cooks, shift managers, maintenance people but I have never encountered a server at McDonald's.
I had McDonald's yesterday and someone brought my food to the table and asked if I needed a drink refill (server?).
So many folks want to say...Wal Mart or McDonalds. Others say, every job should be a living wage. I own two retail chocolate/coffee stores. My business is highly seasonal and I employ between 5 and 15 people depending on the time of the year. I am not highly capitalized and people don't need my products.
In this entire discussion everyone says look out for the worker,but few if any say, look out for the entrepreneur and small business owners. If minimum wage goes to $15 an hour a couple of things happen on my end. First, I will have to increase prices to consumers to help with this added costs to me. Added costs include a significant jump in payroll taxes. This by the way will benefit the Federal Treasury significantly.
The next thing that could happen is if my demand falls and I can't get more money , I will then figure out a way to do more with less people. I will cut jobs, especially for high school kids. So, if you're thinking a high school kid needs a livable wage , know this, those jobs for young people will just be reduced or eliminated. It seems a job is better than no job, but what do I know.
Now those of you who disagree with me, I say this. These are things I will do regardless of what you say. You can disagree with this but it doesn't change the reality that small businesses will increase prices, cut hours, eliminate jobs and worse case just close up shop. In the end small businesses will bare the brunt of this and do what they can to shift costs to you the consumer. This means costs of good and services will go up for everyone.
In this entire discussion everyone says look out for the worker,but few if any say, look out for the entrepreneur and small business owners. If minimum wage goes to $15 an hour a couple of things happen on my end. First, I will have to increase prices to consumers to help with this added costs to me. Added costs include a significant jump in payroll taxes. This by the way will benefit the Federal Treasury significantly.
The next thing that could happen is if my demand falls and I can't get more money , I will then figure out a way to do more with less people. I will cut jobs, especially for high school kids. So, if you're thinking a high school kid needs a livable wage , know this, those jobs for young people will just be reduced or eliminated. It seems a job is better than no job, but what do I know.
Now those of you who disagree with me, I say this. These are things I will do regardless of what you say. You can disagree with this but it doesn't change the reality that small businesses will increase prices, cut hours, eliminate jobs and worse case just close up shop. In the end small businesses will bare the brunt of this and do what they can to shift costs to you the consumer. This means costs of good and services will go up for everyone.
Any business owner will tell you that they pay their employees as much as they can. I've owned several businesses and paid as low as minimum wage to employees that weren't terribly productive and as high as 30 bucks an hour for the ones who were. The funny thing about it was that I never had an employee ask for a raise that actually deserved it. The ones who did got raises because I saw how hard they worked and just gave them more money.
I owned a coffeeshop for about 15 years, and one memory stands out to me. I went in on a Saturday morning around 10, and the kid working was wiping down counters with not a single customer in the store. I laughed and asked if it had been a slow morning, and he said it was steady for a little while. I ran a sales printout and he had already done a thousand bucks in sales, which for a town of 8000 was a phenomenal amount of business, 2 or 3 times what we would normally do. I just turned to him and told him I was giving him a 3 dollar raise. That kid has one of the best work ethics I've ever seen and he was rewarded for it. He had to have been absolutely swamped but just shrugged off the notion.
The problem is that these bills are all being pushed by Woke jackasses who have never owned a business in their life or had to manage a company. They think that participating in social justice forums at their local university counts as a job and that everyone deserves $15 an hour.
Priceless 85. I admit the McDonald's information I pulled up was likely incorrect and I get taunted for it.
Yet after mistakenly blasting me for supporting the Jusse Smollett story, this little weasel didn't have the guts to admit he was wrong and apologize to me.
When mistakes happen, some people man-up while others show their insecurity.
You spent the past week tripling down on your false, made up "facts" in the hospital IV thread and yet you're still here writing stuff like this.
Too good!
joey demolished your post and you come here and say that maybe, MAYBE, your information was wrong? LOLOLOLOLOLOLO
you still cant admit when you were wrong.
btw, @UCFKnight85 shookster is right on one thing, he didnt believe the jussie smollet thing. that was was all shook chicken.
Personally, I do fundamentally believe if someone has a full-time job, then their take-home pay SHOULD be sufficient to cover their basic needs of survival (shelter, food, travel costs, etc) as being alive and able to make it to work is a necessary condition to be employed in the first place. A worker earning less than a living wage is a negative externality on the macroeconomy as they require more public assistance to survive (paid for in higher taxes) and do not adequately contribute to the overall growth of GDP.
And the real rub is on most accounts, the Minimum Wage WAS a living wage for much of the 20th Century after its introduction, as that was its whole intended purpose. It wasn't until the 70's that the Minimum Wage failed to keep up with Cost-of-Living increases. The phenomenon has only worsened in recent years as wage growth has continued to consolidate at the upper end of the spectrum with a very small proportion of the population. The Federal Minimum has been stagnant at $7.25 for 10 years now.
That being said, despite supporting the concept of a Living Wage, I do not in any way support the $15 being pushed by labor orgs and progressive politicians. The excellent MIT Living Wage calculator shows the avg US Living Wage at 12.19, Median at 11.57, Minimum at 10.38 (SD) and Max at 17.76 (DC). Democrats have allowed fast-food workers in NY City and LA and the SEIU to dictate the agenda and have blown past the $10.10 the Obama admin supported in '13 and $12 it did in '15, and that would have disasterous impact on employment, probably to the tune of over a million jobs.
So where does that leave us? The absolute first thing, Barr minimum action we need to take is to pass legislation pegging the Minimum Wage to changes in the CPI. That way, worker's purchasing power isn't held hostage and eroded by the whims of Congress. Had the Min Wage changed with the CPI each year starting in 2010, it would be at almost $8.50 today. That would mean an extra $2500 in each FT min wage worker's pocket. I could do a lot with a $200 more a month, and I'm sure low income workers could doubly so (especially considering the average rent in Orlando has gone up over $100 in that same time period).
Second, I would establish a base Minimum Wage up to some level incrementally over the next couple of years to come closer to a living wage, perhaps $10 or $11. I don't think anything over that would be politically feasible, and I would be concerned anything more could have negative employment consequences that would outweigh the wage growth.
Third, realizing $10 in CA doesn't buy the same as $10 in AL, allow for regional variation in the CPI to adjust the Base Minimum Wage to a final Effective Min Wage.
Finally, we need to end mostly Republican-led policies that are driving up housing prices. The FL Legislature is still raiding the Sedowski fund to cover budget shortfalls and tax cuts, and local officials are rewarding the developers who contributed to their campaigns by allowing expensive low-density development instead of requiring lower-cost, high-density housing.
Great post, very well thought out. That being said, there are issues with it but probably things that could easily be addressed, like the fact that teenagers don't need to earn a living wage so there should be a different MW for them. Family businesses should be exempt from MW on employees who are family members that live in the same home. In theory I like the idea of tying MW to CPI but it honestly just isn't practical on a year to year basis, maybe have a 5 year rolling average but even then, if we fall into a deep recession that could actually cause the MW to drop and there's no way any politician would be in favor of doing that.
Honestly, for the most part, the free market really does a pretty good job of determining wages and sorting things out so I'm not sure that any government intervention will help more than it hurts. I mean seriously, does anybody on here know a person who is stuck in a minimum wage job that deserves more money but is just a slave to that job?
What about being based on where someone lives?
That's my biggest beef -- and even more so -- people who 'must' live in costly, crime-infested areas, mostly driven up by people who are elitist and rich, but feel the government should solve it, not them.
That's my biggest beef -- and even more so -- people who 'must' live in costly, crime-infested areas, mostly driven up by people who are elitist and rich, but feel the government should solve it, not them.
Why does working 40 hours for one employer suddenly qualify you for a “living wage” any more than working 60 hours for 2 employers? Why does the magical 40 hours make a difference? Why not 32? Or 48?
Why do we want the all-powerful federal government to have the power to define the labor market in spite of what market forces will bear?
Why do we want the all-powerful federal government to have the power to define the labor market in spite of what market forces will bear?
Yep.
"Fair? Okay, why does someone making $60K working 60, 70 or even 80 hours pay the same amount of income taxes as someone making $60K working 40 hours?"
I've yet to have a Liberal challenge that logic, and concede it's a very, very valid question to the 'Fair' aspect, although the Progressives still try to play games. Even worse, if they are bad at math, they think that's under minimum wage.
Orlando will be going to a de facto $15/hr wage in 2021 as Disney, Universal, Orange Co and the city of Orlando have all agreed to pay workers that. You'll see other employers follow. It will probably spread across the state. So while you guys are arguing about the issue, it is happening.
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