Modern Political Thought is Lazy

[DaShuckster]

Rather than go OT in the Venezuela thread, I thought this deserved its own discussion...

The world is complex so breaking it down to social is bad and capitalism is good, is simply naïve and lazy.

You've succinctly described modern political thought, Cubs.

Everything nowadays is drilled down to the most basic of concepts: socialism vs capitalism, conservative vs progressive, science vs non-science, etc., etc., etc. Thanks to the nature of TV and social media, we've become a 'sound bite' news society. Despite the complexity of most issues, we don't see a real detailed analysis of anything because that would require more time and effort than we have patience for.

If we can't get our news in tasty little morsels (that support our world view) we don't bother.

 

[UCFWayne]

what is your view of smirking kids wearing red hats?

 

[UCFWayne]

what is your position on women that lie about their heritage to advance their careers?

 

[Cubs79]

Rather than go OT in the Venezuela thread, I thought this deserved its own discussion...
You've succinctly described modern political thought, Cubs.

Everything nowadays is drilled down to the most basic of concepts: socialism vs capitalism, conservative vs progressive, science vs non-science, etc., etc., etc. Thanks to the nature of TV and social media, we've become a 'sound bite' news society. Despite the complexity of most issues, we don't see a real detailed analysis of anything because that would require more time and effort than we have patience for.

If we can't get our news in tasty little morsels (that support our world view) we don't bother.

Yeah, I have never understood how people look at things so black and white, especially in a time where the economy is so global. Any sort of political party or economic system came from human thoughts, so they are all going to flawed in some ways, and all deserve to be analyzed and criticized. I don't understand the "True Believer" types who somehow think their preferred party or econ. system is somehow perfect and there should be no debate around them.

 

[DaShuckster]

I don't understand the "True Believer" types who somehow think their preferred party or econ. system is somehow perfect and there should be no debate around them.

Yeah, socialism is bad (but don't take away Granny's social security check and medicare) and Capitalism is good (even when the Big Dawg Capitalists get so big they can buy our Congress.) The reality is that our economic systems are full of various shades of gray.

And the notion that all conservatives and progressives can be 'put in a box' and be spoon-fed what is 'the right way' to believe about anything and everything is stupid to the extreme. And yet it happens all the time on both sides. The way that conservatives have literally run away from science is particularly mind-blowing.

It's always "Go Team, Go," whatever the issue.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Lmao. Der Shookster ignores two posts directed right at him to go hard in the paint. Guess he is nothing but:

It's always "Go Team, Go," whatever the issue.

 

[UCFKnight85]

We really should be more mindful and less team oriented in our politics

Also, kids deserve to have their lives ruined nationally if they dare smirk when an asshole beats a drum in their face, so long as they are conservatives

 

[sk8knight]

Lmao. Der Shookster ignores two posts directed right at him to go hard in the paint. Guess he is nothing but:

I’m amused that the people who consistently agree with the side that has made an art form of reducing complex issues into simple moral arguments so that they can paint the opposing party as evil are the ones lamenting that same behavior.

 

[DaShuckster]

I’m amused that the people who consistently agree with the side that has made an art form of reducing complex issues into simple moral arguments so that they can paint the opposing party as evil are the ones lamenting that same behavior.

I suppose I should have known better than to expect any kind of thoughtful discussion of this subject from the Usual Suspects here. Clearly this concept flies over most of their heads.

Here's a question for you: Name a position you've taken that is contrary to what most of (your team)ers believe?

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

I suppose I should have known better than to expect any kind of thoughtful discussion of this subject from the Usual Suspects here. Clearly this concept flies over most of their heads.

Please. Your IQ is 86, maybe 87.

 

[UCFKnight85]

I suppose I should have known better than to expect any kind of thoughtful discussion of this subject from the Usual Suspects here. Clearly this concept flies over most of their heads.

We’ve pointed out why we think this is ironically ridiculous coming from you dude.

 

[DaShuckster]

Okay, you've got your toadie troll routines down pat. Now name a position you've taken that is contrary to what most of (your team)ers believe?

 

[sk8knight]

I seem to remember that 85 was anti-Trump back in the primaries.

I’m Libertarian, so... I favor a strong Defense budget?

Your turn....

 

[DaShuckster]

I seem to remember that 85 was anti-Trump back in the primaries.

I’m Libertarian, so... I favor a strong Defense budget?

Your turn....

Let's do something about the federal deficit. I favor a balanced federal budget.

 

[fabknight]

Yeah, socialism is bad (but don't take away Granny's social security check and medicare) and Capitalism is good (even when the Big Dawg Capitalists get so big they can buy our Congress.) The reality is that our economic systems are full of various shades of gray.

And the notion that all conservatives and progressives can be 'put in a box' and be spoon-fed what is 'the right way' to believe about anything and everything is stupid to the extreme. And yet it happens all the time on both sides. The way that conservatives have literally run away from science is particularly mind-blowing.

It's always "Go Team, Go," whatever the issue.

C'mon, Shookster. You want some nice dialogue but then you throw in your typical troll statements.

 

[fabknight]

Let's do something about the federal deficit. I favor a balanced federal budget.

And how is this not bipartisan or something of any political affiliation truly want? You continue to be disingenuous. Troll, troll, troll.

 

[UCFKnight85]

And how is this not bipartisan or something of any political affiliation truly want? You continue to be disingenuous. Troll, troll, troll.

Bingo

 

[NinjaKnight]

I’m Libertarian

Holy shit my sides.

This board is the funniest shit on the face of the planet. Please never change.

 

[DaShuckster]

And how is this not bipartisan or something of any political affiliation truly want? You continue to be disingenuous. Troll, troll, troll.

Yeah boy, fab. When both parties have clearly shown how serious they are about lowering the Federal deficit, it's crazy that I'm being so disingenuous, right??!?!!

 

[fried-chicken]

And how is this not bipartisan or something of any political affiliation truly want? You continue to be disingenuous. Troll, troll, troll.

honestly it's not something either party wants it seems. Republicans just got to hide from reality longer.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Yeah boy, fab. When both parties have clearly shown how serious they are about lowering the Federal deficit, it's crazy that I'm being so disingenuous, right??!?!!

It’s very easy to assume you’re being disingeous most always

 

[DaShuckster]

Funny. I mention cutting the deficit -- something the Republicans kept wringing their hands about throughout the eight years of the Obama Administration. If I would have asked who's all for reducing the Federal budget during the Obama years, the answer here would have been a "Duh--Conservatives are the ONLY ones concerned about it; Obama and the Democrats certainly aren't."

But after Trump got elected, what's the spin now?

...how is this not bipartisan or something of any political affiliation truly want?

Where the hell did all that conservative angst about the deficit go?

It's just another example of how lazy our political thought has become. The deficit is SO yesterday's news now, right?

 

[sk8knight]

Funny. I mention cutting the deficit -- something the Republicans kept wringing their hands about throughout the eight years of the Obama Administration. If I would have asked who's all for reducing the Federal budget during the Obama years, the answer here would have been a "Duh--Conservatives are the ONLY ones concerned about it; Obama and the Democrats certainly aren't."

But after Trump got elected, what's the spin now?


Where the hell did all that conservative angst about the deficit go?

It's just another example of how lazy our political thought has become. The deficit is SO yesterday's news now, right?

I hear plenty of people talk about cutting the deficit. Also hear a number of the radio personalities talk about it too, people like Dana Loesch, Mike Gallagher, Dennis Prager, etc. The right side of the aisle doesn’t match in lockstep like you think we do. And certainly not like the Dems did before the Sanders/AOC factions came to prominence.

 

[DaShuckster]

I hear plenty of people talk about cutting the deficit. Also hear a number of the radio personalities talk about it too, people like Dana Loesch, Mike Gallagher, Dennis Prager, etc. The right side of the aisle doesn’t match in lockstep like you think we do. And certainly not like the Dems did before the Sanders/AOC factions came to prominence.

The right side of the aisle is all talk and no action.

 

[sk8knight]

The right side of the aisle is all talk and no action.

Unfortunately

 

[1ofTheseKnights]

Holy shit my sides.

This board is the funniest shit on the face of the planet. Please never change.

World policeman & MIC mouth piece is bigly libertarian folks believe me

 

[sk8knight]

World policeman & MIC mouth piece is bigly libertarian folks believe me

You were much better spouting anti-Semitic tropes and playing the game of being all anti-establishment. It’s a hell of an act you put on.

 

[Crazyhole]

Rather than go OT in the Venezuela thread, I thought this deserved its own discussion...
You've succinctly described modern political thought, Cubs.

Everything nowadays is drilled down to the most basic of concepts: socialism vs capitalism, conservative vs progressive, science vs non-science, etc., etc., etc. Thanks to the nature of TV and social media, we've become a 'sound bite' news society. Despite the complexity of most issues, we don't see a real detailed analysis of anything because that would require more time and effort than we have patience for.

If we can't get our news in tasty little morsels (that support our world view) we don't bother.

Everyone is somewhat pragmatic in reality but team politics is the name of the game. You and I have had this same discussion I don't know how many times, but in the end we all fall back to the party lines more often than not. Its probably because when we diverge from the party platform, its typically on stuff that we don't really care that much about. I'm anti death penalty, but it really isnt something that I'm super passionate about. I think we should cut defense spending as well as all other spending, but I know it isnt a position that I'm going to win much favor on so I just don't get too excited about it.

 

[fabknight]

The right side of the aisle is all talk and no action.

If we're talking about balancing the budget, I will agree with you but I will say the left has no interest in it either.

All politicians are more worried about getting re-elected than they are the long-term welfare and health of our country. Until that changes, nothing will improve.

 

[fabknight]

Funny. I mention cutting the deficit -- something the Republicans kept wringing their hands about throughout the eight years of the Obama Administration. If I would have asked who's all for reducing the Federal budget during the Obama years, the answer here would have been a "Duh--Conservatives are the ONLY ones concerned about it; Obama and the Democrats certainly aren't."

But after Trump got elected, what's the spin now?


Where the hell did all that conservative angst about the deficit go?

It's just another example of how lazy our political thought has become. The deficit is SO yesterday's news now, right?

I agree. I've been very disappointed with our leadership in this regard. Now there's talk of a 2 trillion dollar need for infrastructure improvements. Where is that money going to come from? I can only hope that as the Trump economy continues to gather steam that revenues increase to balance out the spending.

 

[fabknight]

honestly it's not something either party wants it seems.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Funny. I mention cutting the deficit -- something the Republicans kept wringing their hands about throughout the eight years of the Obama Administration. If I would have asked who's all for reducing the Federal budget during the Obama years, the answer here would have been a "Duh--Conservatives are the ONLY ones concerned about it; Obama and the Democrats certainly aren't."

But after Trump got elected, what's the spin now?


Where the hell did all that conservative angst about the deficit go?

It's just another example of how lazy our political thought has become. The deficit is SO yesterday's news now, right?

You raised this issue simply because we pointed out how absurd it was for YOU to whine about team partisan politics and you were embarrassed by how glaring the hypcocricy actually was.

“Look at these conservatives, still pointing this out about me even when I tried to throw out some vague general opinion about the deficit!!!”

 

[goodknightfl]

Rather than go OT in the Venezuela thread, I thought this deserved its own discussion...
You've succinctly described modern political thought, Cubs.

Everything nowadays is drilled down to the most basic of concepts: socialism vs capitalism, conservative vs progressive, science vs non-science, etc., etc., etc. Thanks to the nature of TV and social media, we've become a 'sound bite' news society. Despite the complexity of most issues, we don't see a real detailed analysis of anything because that would require more time and effort than we have patience for.

If we can't get our news in tasty little morsels (that support our world view) we don't bother.

There is no such thing as political thought.

 

[1ofTheseKnights]

You were much better spouting anti-Semitic tropes and playing the game of being all anti-establishment. It’s a hell of an act you put on.

OY VEY!! It's anti-Semitic to notice basic ratios.

 

[UCFWayne]

Lmao. Der Shookster ignores two posts directed right at him to go hard in the paint. Guess he is nothing but:

this guy is a complete joke. he completely lacks self reflection. yet he somehow thinks he should hold the other side to a higher standard than himself.

ive gone on record numerous times where i differ from the right, while ive see almost no deviation from him. its pathetic when you realize that hes not some young 20 something with little real world experience but getting ready to retire.

 

[UCFWayne]

I hear plenty of people talk about cutting the deficit. Also hear a number of the radio personalities talk about it too, people like Dana Loesch, Mike Gallagher, Dennis Prager, etc. The right side of the aisle doesn’t match in lockstep like you think we do. And certainly not like the Dems did before the Sanders/AOC factions came to prominence.

unfortunately, neither dems or reps in congress actually want to do anything about it.

 

[cnsaguy]

Isn't "Political Thought" an oxymoron?

 

[btbones]

Isn't "Political Thought" an oxymoron?

And people who discuss politics are alsomorons

 

[DaShuckster]

I agree. I've been very disappointed with our leadership in this regard. Now there's talk of a 2 trillion dollar need for infrastructure improvements. Where is that money going to come from?

Overall, I believe Obama was a good President. However, the big beef I had with his presidency was his failure to use the money we spent to kick-start our economy on these much-needed infrastructure improvements.

The word at the time was that we needed to invest in immediate, shovel-ready projects. I’m no economist but it seemed to me to be a missed opportunity.

 

[Crazyhole]

Overall, I believe Obama was a good President. However, the big beef I had with his presidency was his failure to use the money we spent to kick-start our economy on these much-needed infrastructure improvements.

The word at the time was that we needed to invest in immediate, shovel-ready projects. I’m no economist but it seemed to me to be a missed opportunity.

The stimulus was fascism at its best. Trillions of dollars were redirected into the stock market instead of going into capital improvements. This alone tells me that Obama was inept at best and corrupt at worst.